What is first? Forced or Pasive, for example "Cloud of Flies" vs "Vile Sorceress"

Cloud of Flies
Type Support, Chaos (Destruction)
Edition Core Set (# 93)
Cost 0 +
Traits Attachment, Spell
Rules Attach to a target unit you control. At the beginning of your turn, you may deal 1 uncancellable damage to this unit and to one target unit.

Vile Sorceress
Type Unit, Dark Elf (Destruction)
Edition Core Set (# 107)
Cost 2 +
Power 1
Health 2
Traits Sorceror
Rules Quest. Forced: After your turn begins, one target unit gets -1 hit points until the end of the turn.

Thanks,

Dani

It is my understanding that with the new modified turn rules, (the addition of beginning turn phase) if you have actions that occur at the beginning of the turn they now resolve in that phase, if you have multiple beginning of turn actions you get to choose which order they happen in.

This applies to both the cards you listed, I do not think their is a rule that says forced action occur before non-forced

So in short the answer is you decide what action occurs first.

The most important thing to note with actions that occur in the beginning turn phase, is that you are using your previous turns resources

Another example: "Great Book of Grudges" vs "Dwarf Ranger"

Great Book of Grudges
Type Support, Dwarf (Order)
Edition Warpstone Chronicles (# 82)
Cost 2 +
Traits Attachment, Relic
Rules Attach to a target Dwarf Unit. Attached unit gains 2 Power. When attached unit enters a discard pile from play, each opponent takes 6 Indirect Damage. (Players assign their own indirect damage.)

Dwarf Ranger
Type Unit, Dwarf (Order)
Edition Core Set (# 10)
Cost 3 +
Power 1
Health 2
Traits Ranger
Rules Scout. Quest. Forced: After one of your other [Dwarf] units leaves play, deal 1 damage to one target unit or capital.

Id say once again that since the effect seems to be happening because of the same event, so it would be simultaneous the player in question would choose the order.

However if you did want to apply a strict order to the dwarf example. the most logical order would be the ranger effect 1st, then the great book of grudges effect.

The card leaves play (causing the dwarf rangers effect) and it could be concieved theres is a tiny time from once it leaves play to once its gone onto the discard pile (activating the great book of judges effect)

Eerily similar to your first question :

www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_foros_discusion.asp

So the order seems to be: Constant Effect (even when a "triggerable constant") -> Forced -> Action

Dam said:

I think that must put a section in faqs clarifying the order, Passive - > Forced - > Action

Thanks,

Dani