Arkham Horror is getting a bit out of contol, imho. Too many expansions. And yes, I do have to buy them all, otherwise I'm feeling I'm missing something. This is exactly why I've quit Magic. Too much money to spend and the spending never stops. It's a great game, as is Magic, but I can't keep paying for it. If I had known there would be so much expansions when I first bought it (there was only CotDP) I would never have gotten into it. There's another reason, more techical one, but it holds its ground nontheless: Setup and "un-setup". Take too **** long, especially since I'm only playing with 1 other player. Yes, 10 minutes for a setup is way, way too long for me. If BGotW was the last expansion ever I'd probably stayed- 3 big box and 3 small box expansions is the perfect amount imho. But now I fear the expansions would never keep coming. And the setup thingy is just another incentive for me.

p.s. I may still lurk around for a while, as I did with magic, when even after I've quit it I was still interested in seeing new content. I would lose interest soon, though.

-Nero- said:

I can understand where you're coming from. I personally love seeing new expansions come out, but it is a recurring (and not exactly cheap) cost. FFG loves them some expansions to their games, though. Well, here's hoping you find something else more suitable to your tastes to fill the time. Perhaps some of the less expansion-heavy games FFG has to offer?

Twilight Imperium seems to be done now, and Doom of course died to licensing fees, I hear. A lot of the smaller "silver line" games seem to be one-shot deals. I'd stay away from Horus Heresey or Runewars though, they might not have expansions yet, but there's certainly a possibility of them in the future.

Arkham's gotten 104 plays, so I've gotten my money's worth out of it for sure (and it's not like I still don't have the next 96 games of AH planned/scheduled ).

Two expansionless games I've enjoyed are Horus Heresy and Middle-Earth Quest. Will they get expansion(s) in the future? For MEQ, I hope so, I'd love to see more heroes, quests, encounters, well, everything. For Horus Heresy I would think an expansion is less likely. The original GW version didn't get one, whereas Battle for Armageddon in the same series did (and Doom of the Eldar didn't).

Dam, maybe you can buy KH from Nero for a discounted price... not ?

I know the feeling.
I enjoy Arkham Horror and will continue with it.

I have a problem with Call of Cthulhu LCG.
Its not the a money issue but player (or lack of) issue.
Its the same 3 people with the same type of decks.
I had to get out of it.
Pity though ... I enjoyed it when we had more players.

I can usually get people together to play Arkham.

I don't think it is fair compare Arkham to Magic.

Magic mechanics is based on competitive spirit. The frustation of the person who just lost makes him go to the shop and buy news cards to improve his deck. This was really annoying to me when when I stepped back and realized how they used my emotions to sell me more cards (so much money for such a simple card game). Therfore I quit some time ago. I tried to play but had no fun (only felt the mechanics again).

For Arkham, you only buy the game once. Whatever you loose or win does not change this at all. It is really talisman like.

I had played Talisman 2nd version for many years. This game was amazing, it survived on the web (many many fan expansions were done and released) for more than 10 years even though it was out of print. I do not play so much talisman anymore (arkham kicked it out).

Anyway, quit if you like to but please do not think Arkham is like magic. Really, it is not.

I do not compare Arkham to Magic. I compare money to money. Both are money consuming with their endless waves of new content. One cannot simply tell me "just don't buy anymore expansions" because I can't. If I love a game (and I love Arkham) I would feel I HAVE to buy every single expansion otherwise I'm missing out. That's why I'm selling it. I'm selling it because I love it too much.

These days I'm more into Ticket to Ride. I have T2R USA and the 1910 expansion (there will be no more than 1 expansion per T2R game, trust me). I don't feel I'm missing anything not having T2R Europe/Marklin and the rest, because they are games of their own and not really expansions. Also I've became accostumed to the USA map and is unlikely I will feel the need to swtich it. Also T2R has 1 minute of setup (including shuffling cards) and 1 minute of un-step, and games are brisk, taking around 20-40 minutes, unlike Arkham's heavy 2-4 hours.

-Nero- said:

It's just me of course, but T2R is missing everything I want from a game (interesting theme, unless it's a co-op PvP, etc.). So speed of play isn't much of an incentive. I used to have a Pokemon-complex with games (gotta catch them all), luckily, KH cured me , Call of Cthulhu and Warhammer: Invasion have kept the complex in check on the LCG front (some AP/BPs aren't just worth it).

Seriously, who thinks he HAS to buy all expansions...

If you had Carcassone, would you feel that you needed to buy the Catapult Expansion?

Charles Dexter Ward said:

I'm a perfectionist, then yes. It's not only in board games. When I played Fallout 3, I had to get all 5 DLC's. Really, for every video game I play I must get its DLC's. I also must get all acheivements otherwise I can't move on to another game. Even if a eating a burger alone would be enough to satisfy me, I would have to get fries, too. When I fill up a cup to drink, I will have to finish it all even if after half way through I'm no longer thirsty. You get the point.

p.s. for anyone who doesn't know, I'm Kroen

I too like Fallout, but the diference is that the DLCs actually add something interesting to the game, like the Raider Camp or the Alien mothership and weapons. There are even lovecraftian references in one of them (The Dunwich building, the Necronomicon...)!

Unlike expansions like BGotW, wich only adds dificulty and a cult membership (the most advertised point of the expansion) that is as frequent and as useful as gettiing, for example, the Velma´s Gratitude condition card (from the Dunwich Horror expansion).

But everyone should buy what fits them most. If someone is a great fan of BGotW, I respect that opinion.

As for the Kroen reference, i guess he got devoured by a Moon-Beast somewhere. Probably in the Fan Creations location.

Well personally I don't regret buying any of the expansions and I don't feel that they cost too much (divided by the number of paychecks between each release they work out to be cheap imo - obviously still a luxury item though).

If you really can't a) avoid buying expansions you don't want. or b) give into the relatively small cost once a year or so of a new game. Then I guess selling it so that your complete collection remains complete without having to buy Lurker in the Threshold.

I still think that what Arkham really needs is a release that makes using expansions less painful. Shuffling in and removing items at the start of every game and then at the end as well - is a huge pain. An expansion that included rules for using expansions that didn't involve mixing in all the items, location cards ect into one pile would be nice.

Anyway that's off-topic. I think you're making the wrong call and should try to justify the cost and keep the game - if you still play it. I don't understand how you could have stomached magic for even 2 years (when some of your collection would be made obsolete) if you can't bear to not have a complete arkham set which only gets expanded once a year or so.

Rapier said:

Take a painkiller, just leave everything mixed in, no more shuffling in and removing stuff needed .

I feel the same as Nero. If I own a game, I feel compelled to buy everything that comes out for it. It's a compulsion I'm only now starting to get a handle on. This is the reason I don't own any Star Trek DVDs. Because if I bought into one show then sooner or later I would want them all, and frankly, I don't want to spend money on Voyager. =P

For me Arkham Horror gets enough play time that I don't feel sad about buying it all, but I can certainly sympathize with his position. For those of you who don't feel this compulsion, know that you are lucky. But don't harp on Nero for making the responsible choice and getting rid of a money sink he can't afford. Instead, why not check to see if you can get some cheap expansion material off him before it's gone? This would be what is classically known as a win-win.

Tnx for understanding.

And btw the expansions are already gone- got $135 for them. Now I'm looking for a buyer for the base game, hoping to get $40 for it. These prices may seem overpriced for some of you but bare in mind I live in Isarel and here everything is more expensive. For example, the base game costs here $80. Bix box expansions costs $75 each and small box expansions $40 each. And I'm not really going to sell anything to anyone here- I don't want to start handling shipping and stuff and also I would get less money than selling it where I live.

p.s. planning to buy DS light with the money

I recently seperated all the expansions. Everything from monster to investigators to title cards are all back in there orginal boxes. I borrowed "Call of Cthulhu" on CD from the local library and listenedto it will sorting cards... I found it rather relaxing and enjoyable.... maybe I could make a business venture of it? Anyone want there expansions seperated?

I just sorted out Kingsport last night, and put it up for trade on BGG. Found a guy wanting it in a trade already.

...Why do you HAVE to buy the expansion...I thought it was optional to purchase an expansion and has no effect on the core games excitement...

We all rave about a game when it is first released of how good it is but then is it not as good without it?!?

I only have the core of AH and we find it really good...

p.s. I was a hardcore MTG player and expansions mattered because of tournements...the fun aspect of the game was not effected.

Good luck in what you do dude...you know you will be back...

meggypeggs said: