Patience Hound

By Watcher42, in X-Wing Squad Lists

I love the look of the Eta-2 but something I hadn't thought of suddenly hit me, hound is amazing for jedi, taking away any deplete token that they gain for patiences allowing the jedi to boost/barrel roll and/or tallon roll and still have force left over, and get a solid attack in.

Anakin Skywalker (ETA-2) (56)
Patience (2)
Dare Devil (2)
Heavy Laser Cannon (5)
Shield Upgrade (8)

Obi-Wan Kenobi (ETA-2) (49)
Patience (2)
Dare Devil (2)
Heavy Laser Cannon (5)
Shield Upgrade (8)

"Hound" (50)


Total: 189

The heavy laser cannons just seem like a given for these in extended, just makes them better, the shield also just keeps them alive that little bit longer. Dare devil isn't a given but I think it's just useful for aces when other talents aren't needed.

I love the talents on the Eta-2, but I wish composure didn't stop you perform other actions that round, imagine failing your Intuitive Controls ability, so you get a free focus for a force, but it's not to be šŸ˜„ .

Thanks for posting - might be some good synergy there!

I guess you'll need to fly it to see, but my first thought is that you're heavily reliant on getting bullseye arcs for meaningful attacks. If you're not getting bullseye this entire list is three 2-dice attacks (one of which you're looking to deplete!). Granted you have super maneuverable ships to try and get those bullseyes, and the ETA's are going to be very tough to pin down and damage, but I think an opponent is going to try and take out Hound as the soft target in the list and trust that you're going to struggle to match the damage. That's always assuming your opponent doesn't have aces and a deeper bid - in which case you're really going to struggle.

All head sim of course! :)

I wonder whether there's a way of either getting two harder hitting ships with Hound? You can get a Delta 7B Ani and still have points for something, but probably needs to be an Eta or a CLT Obi.

The other issue of course, is that you've got to stay in Hound's arc to make the patience trick work. That might not be too bad, but there's always a tension between highly mobile aces that you then want to stay in a particular space for an effect.

Be fun to try any which way - let us know how you get on!

Edited by eljms

After trying the ETA a bit I prefer predator to get the most out of the bullseye. But the Laat might do it for rerolls.
I also prefer Stealth Device. Just evade everytime until you get into the perfect position where your ships donā€™t get shot and kill something. Itā€™s the best SD chassis imo.
I like the daredevil idea. You should consider R4 Astro because youā€™re ships will remain stressed a lot. R4 significally opens your dial. I would drop HLC because you already have a 3 dice bullseye attack (4 dice at range 1).
I also tried patience and it didnā€™t do as much for me. What the actis really wants is Sense. Itā€™s the most important upgrade to consider imo because of the ship ability.

going the daredevil route I would build it like that

Anakin Skywalker (56)
Daredevil (2)
R4 Astromech (2)
Stealth Device (8)

Obi-Wan Kenobi (49)
Sense (5)
Daredevil (2)
R4 Astromech (2)
Stealth Device (8)

"Hound" (50)
Total: 184

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with 16 points left you have lots of options. The other good thing about Sense is that you donā€™t need such a deep bid.

4 hours ago, Ryuneke said:

After trying the ETA a bit I prefer predator to get the most out of the bullseye. But the Laat might do it for rerolls.
I also prefer Stealth Device. Just evade everytime until you get into the perfect position where your ships donā€™t get shot and kill something. Itā€™s the best SD chassis imo.
I like the daredevil idea. You should consider R4 Astro because youā€™re ships will remain stressed a lot. R4 significally opens your dial. I would drop HLC because you already have a 3 dice bullseye attack (4 dice at range 1).
I also tried patience and it didnā€™t do as much for me. What the actis really wants is Sense. Itā€™s the most important upgrade to consider imo because of the ship ability.

going the daredevil route I would build it like that

Anakin Skywalker (56)
Daredevil (2)
R4 Astromech (2)
Stealth Device (8)

Obi-Wan Kenobi (49)
Sense (5)
Daredevil (2)
R4 Astromech (2)
Stealth Device (8)

"Hound" (50)
Total: 184

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with 16 points left you have lots of options. The other good thing about Sense is that you donā€™t need such a deep bid.

At this point you don't even need Hound anymore since you are not using patience. I would go for a generic LAAT maybe with Yoda crew? Although that paints a big target on him, but leaves 2 pt bid I think. Otherwise maybe 7th fleet gunner, although I really don't like that the LAAT never shoots. Cody gunner sadly doesn't fit well here given the jedi's higher initiatives.

I think there's a lot of great ideas here!

If you think you're struggling to have both arc on the enemy and on your ships with Hound, why not pick a more agressive Jedi like Aayla? This will mkae it a whole lot more consistent. If you choose Aayla, then i would pair it with CLT Obi, since i think he has the most synergy with her.

Aayla Secura (51)
Patience (2)
Predator (2)
Ion Cannon (6)
R2-A6 (6)
Stealth Device (8)

Ship total: 75 Half Points: 38 Threshold: 2

Obi-Wan Kenobi (49)
Patience (2)
Calibrated Laser Targeting (4)

Ship total: 55 Half Points: 28 Threshold: 2

"Hound" (50)
Seventh Fleet Gunner (9)

Ship total: 59 Half Points: 30 Threshold: 5


Total: 189

I loved Obi-Wan and Anakin because of Obi-Wans ability, in other words a free focus action if your against swarms, meaning you could:

Boost/barrel roll during systems phase

Move and gain a focus for a force

Then perform an evade action

Then patience to recover 1 force

Then you'll have done 3 actions and spent only 1 force, hopefully have rerolls off hound, and you'll not always spend a force to boost/barrel roll.

Aayla is amazing, but as Obi-Wan gives Anakin his ability it just seems too good to be true šŸ˜„

Iā€™ll say this about Aayla, as well: Iā€™ve only flown her once, and I LOVE the Eta-2, but her ability literally never worked. I would sometimes get the actual ā€œblank-to-eyeā€ thing, but sheā€™s Force-choked enough that I never could capitalize on having the eye result for her, and the one time it worked to help an ally, that ally had no Focus to make the eye result worthwhile either.

The Eta-2 is a very Force-hungry ship. I havenā€™t yet sat down and puzzled out whether Patience (or for Eta-2 Anakin, Hate) makes sense, but I think it might. And Iā€™ve even begun to think there may be some reason to try Eta-2 Yoda out, but man, heā€™s an expensive little Force battery with low-ish initiative.

The interesting thing to me about the Eta-2 is that just a couple of weeks ago, someone was complaining that Leia (YT-1300 pilot) was in a faction where her ā€œForce regeneration for alliesā€ ability didnā€™t matter as much as it would if she were surrounded by Force users. And I took the position that that particular part of her ability wouldnā€™t matter much even in the Force-heavy Republic. Honestly, the Eta-2 has changed my mind on that. All of the various things it can do which require Force... Tallon Rolls, System phase repositions, target lock, in addition to the regular old dice modifications... make the Force a much more flexible and interesting resource, and makes the idea of spreading it around much more rewarding. So maybe Yoda?

1 hour ago, Cpt ObVus said:

Iā€™ll say this about Aayla, as well: Iā€™ve only flown her once, and I LOVE the Eta-2, but her ability literally never worked. I would sometimes get the actual ā€œblank-to-eyeā€ thing, but sheā€™s Force-choked enough that I never could capitalize on having the eye result for her, and the one time it worked to help an ally, that ally had no Focus to make the eye result worthwhile either.

The Eta-2 is a very Force-hungry ship. I havenā€™t yet sat down and puzzled out whether Patience (or for Eta-2 Anakin, Hate) makes sense, but I think it might. And Iā€™ve even begun to think there may be some reason to try Eta-2 Yoda out, but man, heā€™s an expensive little Force battery with low-ish initiative.

The interesting thing to me about the Eta-2 is that just a couple of weeks ago, someone was complaining that Leia (YT-1300 pilot) was in a faction where her ā€œForce regeneration for alliesā€ ability didnā€™t matter as much as it would if she were surrounded by Force users. And I took the position that that particular part of her ability wouldnā€™t matter much even in the Force-heavy Republic. Honestly, the Eta-2 has changed my mind on that. All of the various things it can do which require Force... Tallon Rolls, System phase repositions, target lock, in addition to the regular old dice modifications... make the Force a much more flexible and interesting resource, and makes the idea of spreading it around much more rewarding. So maybe Yoda?

Iā€˜m playing a triple ETA squad (Ani, Obi, Aayla) atm. I started with Shaak Ti. Her ability is amazing and combos really well with juke. But in a triple ace squad she didnā€™t work for me. She really had serious force issues (pilot ability, sense, IC) and being ā€žonlyā€œ initiative 4 was also a problem as well. Therefore I changed to Aayla. Sheā€™s also an I5 so Obi can equip Sense and her ability works well with brilliant evasion. I could have used her ability in every game I played so far but didnā€™t had to because either my opponent rolled bad or the ETA evaded naturally.
Getting force starved is always a problem when flying Jedi. What helped me a bit avoiding that:

- donā€™t use IC because you have it. Use it when you have to.
- Donā€™t lock with these guys. I gave them predator which is doing lots of work.