Just placing some preorders for HoH and the TIE/rb... any idea how many copies of the upgrade cards the HoH box will contain? I figure I’d like at least four copies of upgrades like Starbird Slash, but no idea how many come in a box...

36 minutes ago, Cpt ObVus said:

Just placing some preorders for HoH and the TIE/rb... any idea how many copies of the upgrade cards the HoH box will contain? I figure I’d like at least four copies of upgrades like Starbird Slash, but no idea how many come in a box...

x-wing wiki has a list. Not sure if it's complete or not. Usually they have a bunch of question marks if they aren't sure of some of the contents. https://xwing-miniatures-second-edition.fandom.com/wiki/Heralds_of_Hope_Squadron_Pack

EDIT: There is this note, which makes me think there might be a few more bits not figured out: Seven additional upgrade cards. Might be duplicates of all talents and ATP

Here’s the image spread. Lots of cards, including face-down ones.

There's two copies of Starbird Slash. Same with Underslung Blasters, ATP, Deadeye Shot, S-Foils and Snapshot.

Three copies of Backwards Tailslide though.

Ooh 2 more ATP. Worth the price just for those!

2 hours ago, Stay OT Leader said:

Ooh 2 more ATP. Worth the price just for those!

Just need to see points now to see if the rest is worth it.

57 minutes ago, Tyhar7 said:

Just need to see points now to see if the rest is worth it.

Hopefully tomorrow we will see it, otherwise waiting til Friday. Yeah release is Friday officially but I can sometimes get and play new product the day before.

9 hours ago, Tyhar7 said:

Just need to see points now to see if the rest is worth it.

I have the same feeling.

I am afraid that most of this upgrade cards will be overcosted and will join the club of cool upgrades which can't be played due to prohibitive costs (looking at you, primed thrusters).

17 minutes ago, Mikhs said:

I have the same feeling.

I am afraid that most of this upgrade cards will be overcosted and will join the club of cool upgrades which can't be played due to prohibitive costs (looking at you, primed thrusters).

Yes, yes, make Primed Thrusters cheaper....SuperKylo thanks you for your service.

Seriously, cheap Primed Thrusters makes Supernatural Kylo practically impossible to pin down.

8 hours ago, KiraYamatoSF said:

Hopefully tomorrow we will see it, otherwise waiting til Friday. Yeah release is Friday officially but I can sometimes get and play new product the day before.

The points for the last release were a week before which make me concerned these aren't gonna be good.

To be frank the Resistance as a faction is failing to be top tier due to overpriced upgrades. Ferrosphere paint is a great example, thats a 2 point card max right there but it's sitting at 5.

I fearful these will go the same way and be DOA.

27 minutes ago, AceDogbert said:

Yes, yes, make Primed Thrusters cheaper....SuperKylo thanks you for your service.

Seriously, cheap Primed Thrusters makes Supernatural Kylo practically impossible to pin down.

So... maybe the problem is not Primed Thrusters, but Kylo with that upgrade?

Right now the upgrade has such a prohibitive cost that it will never be played (I have never seen it used on the competitive scene at least). I could see it being useful on Poe Dameron, for example, but how on Earth can I justify paying 10 points for that (When Poe is already too expensive for what it does...Since the last point update getting him over Rey is not a choice, when Rey costs 1 more point).

They are able to adjust points to multiple parameters, I don't see why they could not make it so that certain upgrades have an additional cost if you are a force user, for example.

What is the point of printing more and more cards, if they will be overcosted by fear of them actually being somehow useful for most of the pilots and broken in one particular pilot?

45 minutes ago, Tyhar7 said:

The points for the last release were a week before which make me concerned these aren't gonna be good.

To be frank the Resistance as a faction is failing to be top tier due to overpriced upgrades. Ferrosphere paint is a great example, thats a 2 point card max right there but it's sitting at 5.

I fearful these will go the same way and be DOA.

It's lucky this is a game with changeable points then isn't it!

1 hour ago, InterceptorMad said:

It's lucky this is a game with changeable points then isn't it!

If they aren't adjusting them then that doesn't really mean much does it!

2 hours ago, Tyhar7 said:

The points for the last release were a week before which make me concerned these aren't gonna be good.

To be frank the Resistance as a faction is failing to be top tier due to overpriced upgrades. Ferrosphere paint is a great example, thats a 2 point card max right there but it's sitting at 5.

I fearful these will go the same way and be DOA.

To be fair they were throwing us a bone after a long, long drought of new content. This is just a month later, not the same.

I do agree ferrosphere is just way too expensive. I’d be more likely to slap optics there at that point.

1 hour ago, Tyhar7 said:

If they aren't adjusting them then that doesn't really mean much does it!

When they do though I bet it will be a TONNE of stuff that gets changed, instead of the normal amount.

4 hours ago, Tyhar7 said:

The points for the last release were a week before which make me concerned these aren't gonna be good.

That's not correct.

Points were released for the last wave on the Wednesday night (UK time) for release on the Friday.

36 minutes ago, timg_83 said:

That's not correct.

Points were released for the last wave on the Wednesday night (UK time) for release on the Friday.

Fair enough.

Saw the release for the points was 23rd, thought the release was around the 30th but now I've gone and double checked you're correct it was on the 25th. I didn't get anything in that wave so my dates were muddled, just remember the points landing early.

Still, if they were going by the same time table the points should have landed by now.

No worries. I was hoping for an update yesterday too along the same lines as last time.

I haven't ordered any of this wave yet, I'm just really curious where the points of some of these cards are going to fall.

So much of the resistance tech just doesn't get used, I really hope things like the overcharge booster (or what ever it's called), the new mechs and starbird slash are priced competitively.

8 minutes ago, timg_83 said:

No worries. I was hoping for an update yesterday too along the same lines as last time.

I haven't ordered any of this wave yet, I'm just really curious where the points of some of these cards are going to fall.

So much of the resistance tech just doesn't get used, I really hope things like the overcharge booster (or what ever it's called), the new mechs and starbird slash are priced competitively.

Yep that's my hope as well.

17 hours ago, Stay OT Leader said:

Ooh 2 more ATP. Worth the price just for those!

This is a persuasive argument. The two from my one Xi just ain’t quite enough.

5 hours ago, Tyhar7 said:

Ferrosphere paint is a great example, thats a 2 point card max right there but it's sitting at 5.

I really, really, really want Ferrosphere Paint to be playably priced one of these days. I think it fits nicely into the rock-paper-scissors of list design, where you’d slap it on an ace (or Bomber) that you don’t want to get ravaged by ordnance. But it’s not so powerful that it outright prevents you from ever getting torpedoed to death, and it certainly competes with Optics/ATP.

Making list design choices more interesting is fundamentally a good thing!

35 minutes ago, CoffeeMinion said:

I really, really, really want Ferrosphere Paint to be playably priced one of these days. I think it fits nicely into the rock-paper-scissors of list design, where you’d slap it on an ace (or Bomber) that you don’t want to get ravaged by ordnance. But it’s not so powerful that it outright prevents you from ever getting torpedoed to death, and it certainly competes with Optics/ATP.

Making list design choices more interesting is fundamentally a good thing!

Yeah certainly Ferrosphere Paint is an interesting option and I'd love to see play time with it but there are better option at that price point. Optics and PA are far more efficient choices.

Would it compete with Optics? I don't think so, not at the same price, simply because there are far too many ships/lists where targets locks don't even come into play and the upgrade has no value. Even when it triggers a stress token isn't high impact on your opponent, it's a minor deterrent. If its sitting at one or two points then maybe it debatable depending on the list your trying to build, now I'm not even sure ATP still isn't better value at this point, because I think it will trigger more.

Ferrosphere Paint should definitely be costed cheaper. As @Tyhar7 said, Optics will always take precedence until Paint gets cheaper.

It's really shouldn't be super expensive, no matter what. It has an out with bullseye, and the giant out of "I'll just take focus". Also, it looks like it only triggers on lock actions, so there are several way to acquire lock to get around Paint.

2 minutes ago, 5050Saint said:

Also, it looks like it only triggers on lock actions, so there are several way to acquire lock to get around Paint.

It reads: "After an enemy ship locks you, if you are not in that ship’s , that ship gains 1 stress token."

So it doesn't matter how the lock is acquired, it triggers FP.

4 minutes ago, gennataos said:

It reads: "After an enemy ship locks you, if you are not in that ship’s , that ship gains 1 stress token."

So it doesn't matter how the lock is acquired, it triggers FP.

Locking is an action, right? So when a ship "locks" is the action. Otherwise it would say "when an enemy ship acquires lock on you" if it was whenever lock was acquired. I'm not naysaying. I am definitely uncertain on this, but this is my reasoning.