1 minute ago, JediPartisan said:

Sorry, I rounded up because 192 is still a quarter of your army and when added to another quarter (170+), it doesn’t leave a lot of room for the army, especially when that army’s cheapest naked unit starts at 52 points. Play around with you favourite builder, you’ll see what I mean. There is a reason clones don’t play 2 tanks competitively, but CIS does.

I totally get it. Anakin/Obi-wan is going to come in just south of 400 for sure. This is an army that is going for 8 activations (9 if you skimp on a heavy weapon and use R2).

Also, clones don't really play two tanks because the castle + standby sharing crap is too good. Once that goes away, It is definitely possible that a double Saber list could come into play (especially once the generic 55 point commander is released).

1 minute ago, Mokoshkana said:

I totally get it. Anakin/Obi-wan is going to come in just south of 400 for sure. This is an army that is going for 8 activations (9 if you skimp on a heavy weapon and use R2).

Also, clones don't really play two tanks because the castle + standby sharing crap is too good. Once that goes away, It is definitely possible that a double Saber list could come into play (especially once the generic 55 point commander is released).

But it’s not just that the castle is too good, Rex is so good with other clones, I’m not sure any Commander unit will supplant him. With Rex you can get 10+ activations (usually caps at 11), but adding a single Jedi drops that to 9 at best and 8 on average. If you were to play Obi and Anakin together, it could easily be 7, and I don’t think Anikin is that good to be able to counteract that much of a negative. But it is like you said, we’ll have to wait and see, Anikin could be awesome and a real game changer, or not. 🤷‍♀️

Looks like so much fun he seems so versatile and plays different every game cant wait to get him on the table. Feel like Hero of the Clone Wars would usually be played first round since his other ones wouldn't be that helpful and would most likely result in a suppression but after that, i think it'd depend on how the game is set up for what order to play his other two. Relentless is a necessity early since he doesnt even have charge but master of the force is staple for force users too. Idk guess we'll see once he's on the table

Now to wait for the Maul article.....

His flaw could be really brutal when facing Dooku.

Dooku player could use Double the Fall one round and then Anakin's flaw card the next round to really leave him high and dry and possibly getting shot at with the whole army.

Quick question: Cancel = re-roll, right?

Someone please stop me when I saw force barrier i immediately got this absolutely horrible idea to get Palp and OP Vader in one list with two royal guards and make them indestructible protecting each other with force barrier...but I know its horrible 😂

2 minutes ago, Billion Year Old Carbon said:

Quick question: Cancel = re-roll, right?

What? You need to expand on what you are asking here...

5 minutes ago, bllaw said:

Someone please stop me when I saw force barrier i immediately got this absolutely horrible idea to get Palp and OP Vader in one list with two royal guards and make them indestructible protecting each other with force barrier...but I know its horrible 😂

Thankfully it does not work in conjunction with Guardian (e.g. you cannot barrier the hits passed via guardian)

Just to make sure I understand this right. Your oppenent would have to play the flaw caef before any command cards are played right? Since it says at the start of the command phase.

...Looking at the Force Barrier card...

APHRA CONFIRMED?!?!

7 minutes ago, Mokoshkana said:

What? You need to expand on what you are asking here...

Sorry, in reference to Pierce. "Cancel up to three..." I've been playing cancel as re-roll, but I always doubt myself and do a quick search but never find a firm answer. And then I always forget to ask people about it later. (I'm playing against an 8-year-old, so he's no help in this matter)

3 minutes ago, Billion Year Old Carbon said:

Sorry, in reference to Pierce. "Cancel up to three..." I've been playing cancel as re-roll, but I always doubt myself and do a quick search but never find a firm answer. And then I always forget to ask people about it later. (I'm playing against an 8-year-old, so he's no help in this matter)

Not sure you have the right thread, but no, cancel != reroll. Cancel turns a shield to a blank.

4 minutes ago, Mokoshkana said:

Not sure you have the right thread, but no, cancel != reroll. Cancel turns a shield to a blank.

Ah, excellent. So Anakin attacks, scores three hits. Defender rolls three shields. Pierce means all three of those shields become blanks. Anakin does three damage.

Thanks for clearing it up. Reading over Anakin's card made me remember to ask.

11 minutes ago, MajorSmexy said:

...Looking at the Force Barrier card...

APHRA CONFIRMED?!?!

Glad I'm not the only one who had this thought. One can hope.

3 minutes ago, Billion Year Old Carbon said:

Sorry, in reference to Pierce. "Cancel up to three..." I've been playing cancel as re-roll, but I always doubt myself and do a quick search but never find a firm answer. And then I always forget to ask people about it later. (I'm playing against an 8-year-old, so he's no help in this matter)

No, Cancel means Cancel. That result is gone, period. The canceling of dice happens during the Modify Attack Die step, while the rolling and rerolling of dice happens in the Roll Attack Die Step. So to be clear:

1. Roll Attack Dice: The attacker can modify these dice by spending Aims for rerolls and Marksman

2. Apply Cover and Dodge: Spend Dodges and use cover to Cancel results (get rid of them)

3. Modify Attack Dice: This is where things like Impact happen, but also Force Barrier. After cover and Dodges have been spent, you can cancel 1 Crit or 2 Hits. These results go away.

4. Roll Defense Dice: Now you roll dice against whatever is left. Each successful Block Cancels a Hit.

That's the just, but this is all in the RRG under the steps of an attack. Page 16 for how attacks work, page 21 for the entry for Cancel.

So these Force upgrades just make it MORE frustrating to me that the next released characters for Rebel and Empire aren't Force Users per the leak. That means Rebel and Empire players need to wait for 3-4 more release waves before they get the cards in faction (Anakin/Maul, GCW wave, then at the earliest another GCW wave with Force user characters, or another CW wave in the middle here). So unless the units have force upgrades (which while possible seems unlikely), that's a bit of a wait.

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10 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

So these Force upgrades just make it MORE frustrating to me that the next released characters for Rebel and Empire aren't Force Users per the leak. That means Rebel and Empire players need to wait for 3-4 more release waves before they get the cards in faction (Anakin/Maul, GCW wave, then at the earliest another GCW wave with Force user characters, or another CW wave in the middle here). So unless the units have force upgrades (which while possible seems unlikely), that's a bit of a wait.

We dont neccessarily know that Lando and Kallus are next in line? I thought it was just the product names that got leaked, not neccessarily the release date or SKU order.

We know that there are other unannounced civil war units in the pipeline. I figure we'll get a big announcement blitz soon in time for the start of holiday shopping (not that anything announced will come out this year)

14 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

So these Force upgrades just make it MORE frustrating to me that the next released characters for Rebel and Empire aren't Force Users per the leak. That means Rebel and Empire players need to wait for 3-4 more release waves before they get the cards in faction (Anakin/Maul, GCW wave, then at the earliest another GCW wave with Force user characters, or another CW wave in the middle here). So unless the units have force upgrades (which while possible seems unlikely), that's a bit of a wait.

There are 2 more GCW releases in that wave that haven't been spoiled yet. No need to panic.

16 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

So these Force upgrades just make it MORE frustrating to me that the next released characters for Rebel and Empire aren't Force Users per the leak. That means Rebel and Empire players need to wait for 3-4 more release waves before they get the cards in faction (Anakin/Maul, GCW wave, then at the earliest another GCW wave with Force user characters, or another CW wave in the middle here). So unless the units have force upgrades (which while possible seems unlikely), that's a bit of a wait.

That’s a good point though, if GAR is supposed to be the Force user heavy faction, how will the others cope? I know there is still Ezra, Kanen and the Inquisitors, but shouldn’t the GCW era out do any other faction in that regard?

Then again FFG has shown they’re amenable to making card packs. A Force pack could do just that.

4 minutes ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

W e know that there are other unannounced civil war units in the pipeline. I figure we'll get a big announcement blitz soon in time for the start of holiday shopping (not that anything announced will come out this year)

2 minutes ago, arnoldrew said:

There are 2 more GCW releases in that wave that haven't been spoiled yet. No need to panic.

Yes, but the odds of those being force users is extremely slim. They have never released two characters in a row with nothing else for any faction, and the odds of the GCW factions getting a generic force user of any variety at this time seems particularly unlikely.

I am personally not bothered by this, just pointing it out.

2 minutes ago, JediPartisan said:

Then again FFG has shown they’re amenable to making card packs. A Force pack could do just that.

I fully expect we will get a new card pack sometime next year. There will be enough new stuff by then to justify it, I think.

15 minutes ago, arnoldrew said:

There are 2 more GCW releases in that wave that haven't been spoiled yet. No need to panic.

Generally releases have not been multi-character though, and for some reason I thought an interview said two characters and two vehicles, but I could be mistaken as it has been awhile and speculation has muddied my memory a bit.

I'm not panicked by any means, just a little annoyed/disappointed given the early statements that factions would "never have to buy outside their faction for an upgrade card." Now, it may be due to current circumstances/Disney requests, but regardless, it is a bit of a letdown if true.

17 minutes ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

We dont neccessarily know that Lando and Kallus are next in line? I thought it was just the product names that got leaked, not neccessarily the release date or SKU order.

We know that there are other unannounced civil war units in the pipeline. I figure we'll get a big announcement blitz soon in time for the start of holiday shopping (not that anything announced will come out this year)

If I recall correctly, the leak source was the European order sheets, which so far has only been leaking the next unannounced releases as far as I know. Again, the issue is if the next announced GCW wave doesn't have a unit with Force upgrades, then that's a bit of a wait, leading at least some GCW players buying Anakin and Maul for upgrade cards, which in turn exacerbates the supply chain issues. If the announced "next four units are GCW" is taking the form if two waves with two characters only, then that still means a decent wait for the Force users.

I think card packs are likely to be a more frequent occurence to avoid this issue in future. If the next GCW wave actually doesn't contain anything with Force upgrades, then announcing a card packs at the same time would make sense.

17 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Generally releases have not been multi-character though, and for some reason I thought an interview said two characters and two vehicles, but I could be mistaken as it has been awhile and speculation has muddied my memory a bit.

I'm not panicked by any means, just a little annoyed/disappointed given the early statements that factions would "never have to buy outside their faction for an upgrade card." Now, it may be due to current circumstances/Disney requests, but regardless, it is a bit of a letdown if true.

If I recall correctly, the leak source was the European order sheets, which so far has only been leaking the next unannounced releases as far as I know. Again, the issue is if the next announced GCW wave doesn't have a unit with Force upgrades, then that's a bit of a wait, leading at least some GCW players buying Anakin and Maul for upgrade cards, which in turn exacerbates the supply chain issues. If the announced "next four units are GCW" is taking the form if two waves with two characters only, then that still means a decent wait for the Force users.

I think card packs are likely to be a more frequent occurence to avoid this issue in future. If the next GCW wave actually doesn't contain anything with Force upgrades, then announcing a card packs at the same time would make sense.

Ah. Yeah that could be a wait then. On the bright side there are no in person events going on so why not just proxy the cards? We're all playing casually and with TTS right now anyway.

Just makes me glad I play CIS and Imperials

why doesnt anakin get a massive debuff when hes not on elevated terrain?

huge missed opportunity FFG

I think they will have to do some kindve force card pack if the next GCW release isnt a jedi character

Emperor Palpatine really needs force barrier to help keep his royal guard alive. He desperately needs another good exhaust power to make use of his master of the force 2.

Would be nice if they also added some new force powers to help out struggling characters like Vader. An updated version of saber throw that doesnt cost a force slot on commander vader would be nice. Its not really fair that he has to burn a force slot to get a ranged attack when everyone else gets an armament slot or a native ranged attack