Just now, Ginkapo said:

@Revan Reborn are you going for your 4th or 5th ban there?

This Revan guy does kind of ask for it. Revan can be way too aggressive and rude in chats.

Some of his points are good but his presentation to the community is very off putting

14 minutes ago, ninclouse2000 said:

This Revan guy does kind of ask for it. Revan can be way too aggressive and rude in chats.

Some of his points are good but his presentation to the community is very off putting

he's no Darth Malak thats for sure

24 minutes ago, ninclouse2000 said:

This Revan guy does kind of ask for it. Revan can be way too aggressive and rude in chats.

Some of his points are good but his presentation to the community is very off putting

That is also his second account at least. Never shows remorse or willingness to learn or listen. Just click the flag.

One thing to point out about this forum, its global. The reason I say this is that quite often there is a clash or cultures where what is normal to one causes offence to others. We all have to recognise that by being nice and looking past what we percieve as minor digressions.

I said minor digressions Revan, yours are a level above.

6 minutes ago, ninclouse2000 said:

This Revan guy does kind of ask for it. Revan can be way too aggressive and rude in chats.

Some of his points are good but his presentation to the community is very off putting

Yeah, I hear this all the time.

I consider it a badge of honour because it means that my arguments are devastating and unimpeachable. No one likes to be proven wrong, so the belief that anyone can be right and not provoke resentment from the other party is ludicrously naïve. So why bother trying to be "nice" about it?

If that makes certain people bitter and causes petty grudges, I couldn't care less.

Carrying a grudge is like a heavy rock: All you have to do is set it down. That's why I'm completely unburdened. I don't let anyone spoil my fun . 😁

Alt slip

Il come back after tooka rips his balls off and uses them for dice.

19 minutes ago, Revan Reborn said:

I consider it a badge of honour because it means that my arguments are devastating and unimpeachable. No one likes to be proven wrong, so the belief that anyone can be right and not provoke resentment from the other party is ludicrously naïve. So why bother trying to be "nice" about it?

Ever thought this applies both ways, as in when you're proven wrong, you become defensive?

No one is ever right all the time, you, me, anyone. That you hear this all the time to me says you hear this IRL as well, you may do well to look at this.

Being nice about it, is about respect. If you're nice, others are nice in return. If you barge in proclaiming your opinion is right over all others, and are rude, you will get rudeness back. Think about it, could remove a lot of unconscious stress from your life.

27 minutes ago, Revan Reborn said:

You're obviously a math guy, so you base your strategy on statistics. Remind me , how did the Moneyball strategy work out of the Oakland Athletics?

Have you ever won any tournaments with Cracken and your statistics?

Don't bother answering -- I don't care .

Your reliance on Cracken seems to be dependent on facing an opponent with another MSU fleet. Perhaps that's the local META in your area, but that's not universal, and MSU builds rarely make it to the finals because they don't achieve high enough MoV.

If Cracken goes up against ships with high attack pools, the loss of a single die is insignificant. And since Cracken's ability only benefits small and medium ships, they lack the hull points to deal with high damage. You can try keep your ships at long range to minimize the size of incoming attack pools, but an experienced player will figure out how to get close, and all it could take is one medium range attack from an ISD2 or VSD2 or OSD's front/special arc to overwhelm Cracken's ability and one-shot a Rebel small ship -- or damage the Rebel ship enough that it's forced to flee.

It's precisely that situation that MM is superior to Cracken because she can cancel a Double Hit or Crit at medium range, and force a reroll on Hit-Crit at close range.

MSU fleets generally do well against Onagers regardless of what Commander is chosen. But once those small ships are past the Onager's special arc, MM is much tougher to deal with because the Rebel ships are free to slow down and try to stay a medium range while remaining in the Onager's rear or side arcs. Whereas Cracken's small ships have to stay at Speed 3-4 to receive his benefit, so they can't hover behind the Onager and grind it down.

Finally, Cracken does nothing against squadrons. Bomber squadrons are arguably a "hard counter" to Cracken; Maarek Stele could be renamed "Cracken's Bane"; TIE Bombers are fast enough to keep up with ships travelling at Speed 4 (although Rebel bombers would have a harder time); and even normal squadrons can grind down Rebel small and medium ships with their single Battery die. Whereas MM offers far greater protection against enemy squadrons.

I think Crack can be effective in very specific circumstances, whereas MM provides better protection in a variety of circumstances, and doesn't restrict the Rebel player's play style.

There is a reason every major team has a full time consultant for sabermetrics.

Oh, but I have won local tourneys with cracken! I bring him to local tourneys because I'm not some sadist who brings hyperoptimized Reeiken or Sloane Aces to local tourneys. The meta I was doing this in was large ship heavy, and squad medium.

Mon Mothma suffers the exact same problem with large dice pools, and in fact is more influenced by large dice pools where accuracies are more likely to occur. Mon Mothma corvettes can get one shot by ISD II shots within a very wide margin of possible rolls at close or medium range. Please, if you feel like doing some discrete math, tell me how often an ISD2 with leading shots rolls 8 damage on a seven die attack?(or 7 damage with an accuracy) That's for killing a hammerhead without TFA. Okay, how about an accuracy + 6 damage on 7 dice to kill a CR90 at close range? That's more accomplishable. Now compare those numbers to mon mothma, which is needing 6 damage and an accuracy on 8 dice(or just 8 damage), after a reroll of mothma's choice?

Alright, have you finished your spreadsheets? Checked your math? Congrats, you can now comment on how Mon Mothma is better against large dice pools with corvettes! Except you cant, because the math doesn't support that! I'm not going to argue facts with you. You can either believe me, do the math yourself and come to the same conclusions, or continue being incorrect.

You know that you can maintain speed and still hit the onager right? If you're using CR90s you have enough range to fly fancy, if you're using hammerheads you generally want to ram the **** thing to maximize damage anyway.

Cracken does a lot against squadrons. Cracken makes your carriers significantly more survivable than mon mothma does. Compare the durability of a cracken bright hope to the mon mothma equivalent and you'll be amazed at how durable he makes it. If you want to talk about this weakness for squadless cracken, go ahead, but most cracken players, including myself, see him as a Squad MSU commander.

Mon Mothma provides better protection against squads, and she is better in lists that want light squad cover or no squad cover-the latter of which won't exist viably in 1.5- and protects peltas and QBT nebulons better, but that's about it. Unless there is some speed 1-2 small ship meta I haven't heard about.

9 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:

If you're nice, others are nice in return.

^This 1000%.

Also:

#vote EbonHawk. He's usually a lot more aggressive. This smells of him trying to act town.

13 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

^This 1000%.

Also:

#vote EbonHawk. He's usually a lot more aggressive. This smells of him trying to act town.

I've been trying to take my own advice...

*must kill ninja tonight, he's on to me*

25 minutes ago, ExplosiveTooka said:

I'm not some sadist who brings hyperoptimized Reeiken or Sloane Aces to local tourneys

Sounds like something a hyperoptimizing sadist would say.

29 minutes ago, PodRacer said:

Il come back after tooka rips his balls off and uses them for dice.

Hey now. I don't do that to people in public and without their consent

1 minute ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Sounds like something a hyperoptimizing sadist would say.

Listen not many people have accused me of hyperoptimizing

3 hours ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

^This 1000%.

Also:

#vote EbonHawk. He's usually a lot more aggressive. This smells of him trying to act town.

Hasn't this guy been voted out already. Ghosts aren't allowed to post.

General Cracken - Overall: C (no change)
Biggs - C - Literally bent over a barrel by Romodi.
Shmitty - C - So annoying to play against, but there are some horrible matchups out there for him.
Truthiness - C - Still here. Still boring. I think Cracken could still be good if it weren't for the fact MSU itself is in a poor state right now.

Mon Mothma - Overall: C- (-1/3)
Biggs - C - "She's good against Onagers!" No, fleets built to her strengths are maybe better against tanking an Onager shot at extreme range, but her ability does nothing at extreme range. Sorry.
Shmitty - C -I miss Mothma fleets.
Truthiness -D - Poor Mothma. She's suffering from the same problem as Cracken, but she's even more niche.

13 minutes ago, BiggsIRL said:

General Cracken - Overall: C (no change)
Biggs - C - Literally bent over a barrel by Romodi.
Shmitty - C - So annoying to play against, but there are some horrible matchups out there for him.
Truthiness - C - Still here. Still boring. I think Cracken could still be good if it weren't for the fact MSU itself is in a poor state right now.

Mon Mothma - Overall: C- (-1/3)
Biggs - C - "She's good against Onagers!" No, fleets built to her strengths are maybe better against tanking an Onager shot at extreme range, but her ability does nothing at extreme range. Sorry.
Shmitty - C -I miss Mothma fleets.
Truthiness -D - Poor Mothma. She's suffering from the same problem as Cracken, but she's even more niche.

THE RATINGS HAVE SPOKEN!

Admittedly ratings from 8 months ago. Ask again once the VWC is done.

2 minutes ago, BiggsIRL said:

Admittedly ratings from 8 months ago. Ask again once the VWC is done.

Uh no. We do ratings when a new wave comes out. So we will rate after Clone Wars launches.

Just now, shmitty said:

Uh no. We do ratings when a new wave comes out. So we will rate after Clone Wars launches.

I stand corrected.

5 hours ago, Revan Reborn said:

my arguments are devastating and unimpeachable.

Unfortunately, this isn’t the case. I know that I have personally offered up counter arguments so some of your postings. Your usual response to a well-reasoned argument is to ignore it.

5 hours ago, Revan Reborn said:

No one likes to be proven wrong

Not true. Personal growth and self improvement are all about being proven wrong. It takes a fair amount of humility and maturity to realize that you can be wrong and that you can change to be better.

5 hours ago, Revan Reborn said:

so the belief that anyone can be right and not provoke resentment from the other party is ludicrously naïve. So why bother trying to be "nice" about it?

You’ve got the relationship here backwards. Rudely pointing out someone’s mistakes will create resentment. It’s the rudeness that creates the resentment, however. Patiently and calmly showing someone a better way does not necessarily need to lead to bitterness between two parties. However, it does take a bit of humility and maturity to admit when you’re wrong.

5 hours ago, Revan Reborn said:

If that makes certain people bitter and causes petty grudges, I couldn't care less.

If you didn’t care, I doubt you would try so hard to prove to everyone how knowledgeable you are. I suspect you care deeply, so when others don’t affirm your opinions you feel hurt and lash out.

5 hours ago, Revan Reborn said:

I don't let anyone spoil my fun

From previous threads, I gather you find the trolling behavior to be the “fun” you’re talking about here. Just realize that your attitude causes many people, myself included, to immediately discount any argument you make. There have been a few times where I’ve read something you wrote and grudgingly had to admit you had a point. Most of the time, though, I just ignore your posts, because it’s not worth the aggravation.

If you would tone down the aggressiveness a bit, you might have more people listen.

5 hours ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

^This 1000%.

Also:

#vote EbonHawk. He's usually a lot more aggressive. This smells of him trying to act town.

Deflection. Low effort call out after a high effort town post.

##vote @CaribbeanNinja

2 hours ago, bkcammack said:

From previous threads, I gather you find the trolling behavior to be the “fun” you’re talking about here. Just realize that your attitude causes many people, myself included, to immediately discount any argument you make. There have been a few times where I’ve read something you wrote and grudgingly had to admit you had a point. Most of the time, though, I just ignore your posts, because it’s not worth the aggravation.

Your last post certainly demonstrated your propensity to "ignore" my posts. 🙄 I presume that whenever you're unable to restrain yourself, it's proof that I've gotten under your skin and into your head. Without even trying. I wasn't even arguing with you but you couldn't stop yourself from diving into the dogpile.

Whenever you and the rest of the Mean Girls clique get together to Like each other's posts, write in your Burn Book, and braid each other's hair, the lack of individuality and integrity that you demonstrate fills me with proud for being a lone wolf . The fact that you constantly mirror each other's opinions just diminishes them, rendering them worthless; because it's not about being right, it's about ganging up and perpetuating your petty grudges for everyone on this forum to witness.

It won't be long until everyone loses respect for your clique and your opinions will be as meaningless to everyone as they are to me.

44 minutes ago, Revan Reborn said:

Your last post certainly demonstrated your propensity to "ignore" my posts. 🙄 I presume that whenever you're unable to restrain yourself, it's proof that I've gotten under your skin and into your head. Without even trying. I wasn't even arguing with you but you couldn't stop yourself from diving into the dogpile.

Whenever you and the rest of the Mean Girls clique get together to Like each other's posts, write in your Burn Book, and braid each other's hair, the lack of individuality and integrity that you demonstrate fills me with proud for being a lone wolf . The fact that you constantly mirror each other's opinions just diminishes them, rendering them worthless; because it's not about being right, it's about ganging up and perpetuating your petty grudges for everyone on this forum to witness.

It won't be long until everyone loses respect for your clique and your opinions will be as meaningless to everyone as they are to me.

Now that's not very fetch.

But in all seriousness: If a social group finds someone to collectively target without you around, they're bullies. If they coexist in harmony without you around, you're the problem.

I have a theory about this group: All one has to do is allow people to have different opinions without calling them names and they'll be at least tolerated.

So here's an olive branch to test it: If you don't insult people who aren't insulting you, I won't make fun of you anymore.

It should be perfectly reasonable if you're a misunderstood intellectual operating in good faith, right?

8 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Now that's not very fetch.

(I had to.)

7 hours ago, PodRacer said:

Alt slip

7 hours ago, PodRacer said:

Il come back after tooka rips his balls off and uses them for dice.

These are two posts with 0 mention of mafia in off topic, very sus

##vote pod