5 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

What does the density or thinness of the pieces have to do with the costs of production though? I would imagine that thinner pieces are actually more expensive as a greater number of kits could fail inspection and end up in the scrap bin to be melted back down, not to mention the greater number of returns.
Yet, despite the perceived lower density than say GW, I haven't heard of any great outcry regarding miscasts. Also I'd be interested in the results of a more scientific analysis of the density of equal weights of scrap sprue from a few different companies to see how FFG's compares prior to decrying it as a "problem." It could be that this particular density of plastic is better at providing more detailed parts with less wear on the mold or something.

Yeah I don't care and even half that much.

My only complaint so far has been with the poses. I really would have liked to have been able to have each of them in a standing pose and off of the flight stand. I also wish they had come with more jetpacks! Stunning models though, and really great fitment with all of mine.

17 hours ago, Tirion said:

How is shipping and coat of operations more expensive than before? They are using a lower quality cardboard that is lighter, they have taken out the black organizers in the box there are considerably less plastic bags in each box. They have cut down there staff, they no longer pay to have the models cut off the sprues.... I could go on.

Shipping did not increase 40%, operational costs are lower. Not sure what your are referencing.

So I guess you don't really know much about this? Let me fill you in.

Shipping costs are more expensive that before. FFG has to do both international and domestic shipping, and both have had several major price hikes in the last two years. It may not be 40%, but its likely not a lot less than that. As a business owner that regularly orders and ships products overseas my shipping costs have increased by over 25%. From what I've seen that's about average for most businesses, even very large ones. Shipping costs increases are one of the largest cost increases over many industries over the last two years. It would not surprise me at all to learn that shipping cost increases were the biggest reason for Legion price increases.

Manufacturing in China has also grown more expensive in the last two years. Even of FFG is completely unaffected by the current US/ China trade disputes the cost of manufacturing and materials has still increased a lot in the last 2 years. Particularly paper and printing. That includes the box, tokens, cards and instructions that come with literally every Legion product.

Plastics have also gotten more expensive, although the material cost increase is marginal. Whats more expensive is paying for more experienced workers.

Operations costs have also increased. As someone else pointed out, this includes licensing fees. It also includes literally hundreds of other individual items, from employee salaries, art budgets and model design to office space rental (or home office compensation), accounting and graphic design. I have no idea why you think operational costs are lower now when they were two years ago, but they're obviously not. Not in any industry like this one.

Listen, you're obviously invested in this narrative that FFG is "cutting corners" and producing an inferior product. I have no idea why you're so set on that, but as multiple people here have demonstrated it simply isn't true

10 hours ago, Alpharaider47 said:

My only complaint so far has been with the poses. I really would have liked to have been able to have each of them in a standing pose and off of the flight stand. I also wish they had come with more jetpacks! Stunning models though, and really great fitment with all of mine.

I've converted 2 of the airborne ARCs to be on the ground, mostly by chopping up the legs and using paperclips and greenstuff to fix them, and they don't look half bad if I do say so myself. I'll post pics if anyone is interested.

Has anyone actually confirmed this? They seem exactly the same to me. (I just had to use an old opened rebel commando box in conjunction with a new BX box to store stuff. I saw no noticeable changes?)

7 hours ago, Jake the Hutt said:

So I guess you don't really know much about this? Let me fill you in.

Shipping costs are more expensive that before. FFG has to do both international and domestic shipping, and both have had several major price hikes in the last two years. It may not be 40%, but its likely not a lot less than that. As a business owner that regularly orders and ships products overseas my shipping costs have increased by over 25%. From what I've seen that's about average for most businesses, even very large ones. Shipping costs increases are one of the largest cost increases over many industries over the last two years. It would not surprise me at all to learn that shipping cost increases were the biggest reason for Legion price increases.

Manufacturing in China has also grown more expensive in the last two years. Even of FFG is completely unaffected by the current US/ China trade disputes the cost of manufacturing and materials has still increased a lot in the last 2 years. Particularly paper and printing. That includes the box, tokens, cards and instructions that come with literally every Legion product.

Plastics have also gotten more expensive, although the material cost increase is marginal. Whats more expensive is paying for more experienced workers.

Operations costs have also increased. As someone else pointed out, this includes licensing fees. It also includes literally hundreds of other individual items, from employee salaries, art budgets and model design to office space rental (or home office compensation), accounting and graphic design. I have no idea why you think operational costs are lower now when they were two years ago, but they're obviously not. Not in any industry like this one.

Listen, you're obviously invested in this narrative that FFG is "cutting corners" and producing an inferior product. I have no idea why you're so set on that, but as multiple people here have demonstrated it simply isn't true

How on earth would you know how much i know about this?

I'm in logistics and purchasing internationally I do know a bit about this.

your math does not add up to 40% when you take into account all of the other cost saving measures they have taken.

I never said it was inferor.... except to gw minis and that has never really been debate. I'm not expecting them to be GW quality as we aren't paying GW prices (though the plastic to cost ratio is probably pretty close on normal infantry).

Just saying that their COGS increase after all of the other cost savings did not equal 40%. Everyone is reading way to much into this.

Peace

On 9/1/2020 at 11:44 AM, Tirion said:

How on earth would you know how much i know about this?

I'm in logistics and purchasing internationally I do know a bit about this.

your math does not add up to 40% when you take into account all of the other cost saving measures they have taken.

I never said it was inferor.... except to gw minis and that has never really been debate. I'm not expecting them to be GW quality as we aren't paying GW prices (though the plastic to cost ratio is probably pretty close on normal infantry).

Just saying that their COGS increase after all of the other cost savings did not equal 40%. Everyone is reading way to much into this.

Peace

If you're in logistics and purchasing than you should have been able to figure this out by yourself.

You keep mentioning cost saving measures. What are you talking about?

And really, what is the point of any of this? You seem super upset or offended by something, but I can' figure out what it is.

On 9/1/2020 at 10:47 PM, Atromix said:

I've converted 2 of the airborne ARCs to be on the ground, mostly by chopping up the legs and using paperclips and greenstuff to fix them, and they don't look half bad if I do say so myself. I'll post pics if anyone is interested.

Sorry for the wait but here are the two airborne ARCs that I converted to boots on the ground. A true labour of blood, sweat and greenstuff.

The one on the left was done by using the legs from a P1 clone from the core set and the one on the right by cutting the joints, running a paperclip through the leg and then adjusting the pose before greenstuff-ing all the gaps.

I also gave him a DC-15A from a P1 clone as well because I felt we didn't get enough with the ARC sprue, especially since it's supposed to be their primary weapon.