And this is with the SSD

32 minutes ago, Rune Taq said:

And this is with the SSD

For the record the, Wookipedia lists the Lucrehulk at 3,170m. The Mel's version is 210mm, or 1/15095 scale. That's a serious drop below the curve.

If we were to bring it up to match the curve, the Lucrehulk model would need to be 271mm long. 20mm longer than the Starhawk.

41 minutes ago, Rune Taq said:

Give me the measurements in inches or mm and I can plot it as long as the actual length is on line somewhere.

I did update it btw.

EDIT: GOT NINJA'D SO HARD LOL

Ball park guess, using Cynans side by side shot above, it looks like his Hulk is almost exactly as long as his ISD. So I'd just call it 205mm. Wookipedia calls it at a canon 3,170m. ... ... I think we need the other SSD scaled chart you made 😅 😂

Here's the shot of the Lucrehulk vs some Armada small base ships.

58 minutes ago, cynanbloodbane said:

For the record the, Wookipedia lists the Lucrehulk at 3,170m. The Mel's version is 210mm, or 1/15095 scale. That's a serious drop below the curve.

If we were to bring it up to match the curve, the Lucrehulk model would need to be 271mm long. 20mm longer than the Starhawk.

Honestly, this is what I want. Or at the very least, equal in length (since its width will still give the appearance of a much larger ship). I like Mel's version, too, but I think FFG could afford to make theirs 5-10% larger. And I agree... the Malevolence must be a Huge!

IMO we shouldn’t be basing scale off the SSD. It’s absurdly out of proportion with every other ship in the game (to the point where standard play versions are labeled as “prototypes.”)

I understand the point of a sliding scale and all, but if the worst consequence of a Lucrehulk reasonably to scale with large bases is looking too big alongside a Star Dreadnought, then it shares that trait with everything else.

Same for Malevolence .

3 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

IMO we shouldn’t be basing scale off the SSD. It’s absurdly out of proportion with every other ship in the game (to the point where standard play versions are labeled as “prototypes.”)

I understand the point of a sliding scale and all, but if the worst consequence of a Lucrehulk reasonably to scale with large bases is looking too big alongside a Star Dreadnought, then it shares that trait with everything else.

Same for Malevolence .

Agreed, that's why I present d the plot without the SSD and let the equation change also.

17 hours ago, cynanbloodbane said:

Here's the shot of the Lucrehulk vs some Armada small base ships.

That looks pretty decent size wise. I haven’t been following how closely this fits with scale accuracy but as for table presence, it looks fine to me.

18 hours ago, Rune Taq said:

Am I correctly assessing this? That according to the chart, the Gladiator and the MC30c should rather be a medium ship? Also the rebel ships were basicly enlarged to be large bases? Especially the MC75 and H1.

47 minutes ago, Rimsen said:

Am I correctly assessing this? That according to the chart, the Gladiator and the MC30c should rather be a medium ship? Also the rebel ships were basicly enlarged to be large bases? Especially the MC75 and H1.

As mentioned in the MC30c thread, base size doesn't necessarily relate to ship size, but also maneuverability (not speed/yaw so much as "could this ship reasonably navigate there without hitting anything") and attack surface. The MC30c is a very slender ship. Or maybe they just really wanted a small ship to fill a certain role on the rebel side.

With the rebel ships I don't really notice the scale is off since they have so few common design elements. Imperials on the other hand share a lot of design cues, like sensor domes. The Interdictor, luckily, has a different bridge style and sneaks into medium bases unnoticed. The Onager's domes are the size of the Victory's, and has a non-standard layout. Something I like about the Starhawk is despite how much bigger it should be the sensor domes on the model are the same size as the ISD's. I'd like a similarly-scaled ISD bridge to place over the SSD's bridge and pretend that I'm in a world where the 8km size became canon.

I guess ultimately the thing that will make the Lucrehulk look "right" will be if the model's engine cones are at least the same size as the ISD's. Any smaller and I think people will subconsciously feel something's wrong.

Scale in Star Wars is already off, I have no issue with FFG taking a few creative liberties with what goes on what size base.

I am also among those that firmly believe the SSD is 8-9km, and Home One is 2.4km, no matter what "Canon" has changed them to over the years. The math doesn't lie.

Really, the more ships we can get into Armada the better.

I sort of think that is a perfect size. Looks about a 1/3 smaller then what it should be, just like the Starhawk. Just give it a square base and ship it out in wave 3 lol.

It looks good... Until you realize that the ISD is closer to the size of the center sphere alone. Then I'm like whaaaaaaa?

34 minutes ago, ForceSensitive said:

It looks good... Until you realize that the ISD is closer to the size of the center sphere alone. Then I'm like whaaaaaaa?

It's not quite that bad. It's better to think of the Lucrehulk like a clock face, then a to-scale ISD should be the long hand.

5 minutes ago, FreakinUnoriginal said:

It's not quite that bad. It's better to think of the Lucrehulk like a clock face, then a to-scale ISD should be the long hand.

So like, still under half. That's still really, really, bad 😂 😅

Like we joke about the CR-90 in the ISD Bay. But...The hulk could fit two 90s side by side in the door of each of it's arms Bays. If not more, from what I figure in the opening scenes of Ep1 and the Consular in the bay

On ‎8‎/‎19‎/‎2020 at 2:19 AM, xanderf said:

So comparing the scale chart and the picture of the SH vs. LH it definitely needs to be bigger and also (please) on a bigger (Huge) base.
I personally wouldn´t even have a problem if the LH would be almost half the size of an SSD!!

The Lucrehulk is almost twice as long as the ISD. (3170 to 1600 m). Based on my best fit curve the lukrehulk should be around 10.7 in (271.78 mm). I think at that point a larger base should be implemented. Should it be classed as huge? Idk extra large? Idk. IMO, the large base is not going to appropriately fit the Lucrehulk dimensions and profile.

On 8/26/2020 at 11:40 AM, cynanbloodbane said:

Here's the shot of the Lucrehulk vs some Armada small base ships.

Important note, that Arquintens is the same comparable size a Venator should be to the Lucrehulk in Canon.

@M0N0LITH just to clarify, because it's just slightly shorter out of scale on the above images, when it should be just slightly larger... Your preference would be to send it way out of scale in the larger direction instead? That just seems odd to me. Trying to understand, humbly.

Back to all, If that ~270mm would work right, I think it sounds alright. That would definitely be unwieldy on a standard large though. But funny enough I'll give it this, setting up two large bases apart from each other by the width of one, 79x3=237, didn't look that awful. For a 270mm size, you still get some appropriate overhang of the model over the base. And, The stand pegs should be close enough to inline with the ring to use for peg points.

But it'd be really off from the SSD, and then what do you do with any ST ships? Like if Hulk goes on a huge, then realistically so should the Raddus and the FO Star destroyers. And then once you do that, the Supremacy isn't that special after that. Also if you stick it to huge, you pretty much have to give it huge price tag. $200 for 5 more ships in the game? That'd be a hard pass to many I'd think.

Were I to consider purchasing back in, that model being that price would definitely be a turn off. If it was a spot larger then a Hawk on a extra large base, say $100, that would be enticing. And reasonably enough reason to later buy a second for anyone hard core into the game and faction.

For the lols, I did a mock-up of rough upsized base, and a span check of what something 250mm might look like. Paper here would be the base, tape is the span, Pelta and ISD and other bases for scale. If they went with something more square, might work better. To come up with the base size I just added something close to what the other bases are different by, so 20mm a side or so. I just picked 250 for 'close enough' for ripping tape, and to get it larger then the destroyer.

Now I'm not saying that should be the ultimate conclusion, just that it's one way to look at it.

2 hours ago, ForceSensitive said:

If it was a spot larger then a Hawk on a extra large base, say $100, that would be enticing. And reasonably enough reason to later buy a second for anyone hard core into the game and faction.

This is my thinking as well. And kudos on your Extra Large mock-up, @ForceSensitive !

3 hours ago, ForceSensitive said:

@M0N0LITH just to clarify, because it's just slightly shorter out of scale on the above images, when it should be just slightly larger... Your preference would be to send it way out of scale in the larger direction instead? That just seems odd to me. Trying to understand, humbly.

So as seen on the above ISD comparison the Lucrehulk is approx. as big as the ISD, which measures 20cm in length. With @Rune Taq ‘s formula it should measure 27cm, which is a difference of 7cm - and thats not slightly out of scale

The SSD is 62cm in length which makes half size 31cm.

So when saying „I wouldn‘t have a problem with the Lucrehulk being almost half the size of an SSD“ I would be totally fine with @Rune Taq ‘s 27cm!

I just want the Lucrehulk to represent its dominance and power according to its size.

Cool, thanks. Just phrased it weird to me. The numbers helped.

Maybe tomorrow I will see if I can set up a forced perspective shot of the Lucrehulk that looks like it is 270mm.

I did a few a while ago for different potential SSD sizes. I will see if I can pull it off.

On 8/26/2020 at 8:31 AM, cynanbloodbane said:

For the record the, Wookipedia lists the Lucrehulk at 3,170m. The Mel's version is 210mm, or 1/15095 scale. That's a serious drop below the curve.

If we were to bring it up to match the curve, the Lucrehulk model would need to be 271mm long. 20mm longer than the Starhawk.

Hmmm. Yeah, and looking at the pics you posted...

I mean, most of them it looks fantastic in, but against a couple of the other, larger models...

On 8/25/2020 at 8:42 PM, cynanbloodbane said:

Hello my fellow Armada enthusiasts, and plastic-cra ck addicts! I'm home, so without further ado, the large base Lucrehulk.

vs ISD.

vs Starhawk.

...it does feel a BIT smaller than it should do.

I don't know that we would need to really bring it ALL the way 'back to the line' - as you can see by his projection, it's a fairly generous margin of error...with a lot of ships going slightly over or under it.

I think the Lucrehulk feels pretty obvious it can go 'under' okay.

But...not that much under, IMHO.

I think Star Wars Squadrons will really show how proportions are so off in everything. Looks like the big event will be the massive Starhawk coming out and owning an ISD. Really seems like that ship should have been the starting point for a larger base size. At this point just seems like it would be better to shrink everything and hope it does not look bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zEjIEP1038