On 8/17/2020 at 7:35 AM, ISD Avenger said:

If it were me I’d introduce a new size base. We have Large & Huge. Why not Extra-Large in between?

Make it a single base still but obviously bigger than a large. This seems like it would fill the gap for ships that are obviously bigger than a Large but not as big as a Huge (Lucrehulk, MC85 & Resurgent).

Use double medium bases instead of having to manufacture a new base size?

23 minutes ago, joespahr said:

Use double medium bases instead of having to manufacture a new base size?

I thought about that after I initially posted as it happens. I think that would be a sensible work-around.

The side by side issue would still need resolving tho.

1 hour ago, ISD Avenger said:

I thought about that after I initially posted as it happens. I think that would be a sensible work-around.

The side by side issue would still need resolving tho.

They just need to extend the cardboard out a bit and add a punchout for the raised edges of the bases.

Side by side with medium bases could look like this:

Gray is cardboard, black is base.

Thus the cardboard would look like this:

5 minutes ago, imlost19 said:

This is very clever. It never occurred to me that you could solve the problem of the protruding lips with a punchout on the cardboard itself. It does beg the question though: where would the shield dials go?

1 hour ago, Rmcarrier1 said:

This is very clever. It never occurred to me that you could solve the problem of the protruding lips with a punchout on the cardboard itself. It does beg the question though: where would the shield dials go?

On the bases, wokka wokka

But in all seriousness... look at the illustrations above. There is no place to put a shield dial for the front and rear arcs as illustrated.

Six hullzones not four, thats semantics though

∆∆∆this. (Was meant to point to @Rmcarrier1 agreement. Got entered too late lol)

EDIT:

Similar moves were thought of in earlier discussions as well and we couldn't come up with a solution there either. It's very clever but not much use I'm afraid. Best scenario there would be to use like four smalls in a ring with your two left and right ones as your only flight peg, maybe the aft. That would get you the dials facings. Front wouldn't have anywhere for the peg to go with the split on the hulk model itself so that leads to a structure issue. Best fix there would be some kind of clip-on shield dial that hangs on the front and back... But then that would get loose and side or fall off and otherwise make bumping a pain.

And if your going to the length to make a clip-on and need two extra pieces in the box, why not just make a larger base? If we're already going to the length of making a cardboard plate that size, it just kinda makes sense to build yourself new extra large plastic base instead don't you think? If the box is going to be that big anyway and all that. You would probably get away with slightly less plastic overall and less cardboard.

If someone wanted to scale up a normal base in ratio with the current three and get an estimate of area/volume increase, I'd be interested in what they come up with.

One option could be the base doesn't have to be a perfect rectangle. Have the base the same length as normal, then protude out front and back enough to support around the cutouts, then back to normal length for the second base. The card board is fairly thick and this gives you access to 6 shield dials. Maybe not 100% but enough to clearly see the number and be able to turn it.

It's possible. But then measuring range is weird still as well, since you measure cardboard to cardboard and all.

I think my greatest support for a new base is that it still gets you a platform to build your sequel trilogy stuff on. (Pun totally intended.) A extra large base has four possible candidates right away. And you could still make it with 6 shield dials if you want

11 minutes ago, ForceSensitive said:

It's possible. But then measuring range is weird still as well, since you measure cardboard to cardboard and all.

Good point.

15 minutes ago, ForceSensitive said:

I think my greatest support for a new base is that it still gets you a platform to build your sequel trilogy stuff on. (Pun totally intended.) A extra large base has four possible candidates right away. And you could still make it with 6 shield dials if you want

Agreed. A new Extra Large base would be future-proofing to a degree. But what's the fourth candidate? I can think of three: Lucrehulk, MC85, and Resurgent. The Mandator IV and Malevolence would definitely be Huge, in my mind.

I was kinda including the mandator in my mind but only because after you sliding scale it down a bunch, it might work? I figure it would be to a extra large base what the Star hawk model is to a normal large base. If that makes any sense? Also perhaps down the road you use a extra large for your second edition on the Star hawk

As a thought, even though I don't think it's that functional or practical as I'm saying it, you could* oversize the shield dial cardboard for your twin base. That might get enough for it to protrude out the front and back of the base and clear . But then you have to print on the bases cardboard itself a arrow since you still cover the normal base indicator. And there's a weird gap left.

6 hours ago, Rmcarrier1 said:

Agreed. A new Extra Large base would be future-proofing to a degree. But what's the fourth candidate? I can think of three: Lucrehulk, MC85, and Resurgent. The Mandator IV and Malevolence would definitely be Huge, in my mind.

Eh...problem with that is the Starhawk.

...I mean, if you were to have an 'extra large' size...that'd be it. Compare the Imperial/Home One/Liberty. All sort of bunched together. The Raddus/Resurgent/Starhawk again bunched together at the next tier up - and we know the Starhawk ended up coming in as a 'large'.

Obviously they ARE different sizes - of course, FFG could split that group up into two scales, but...

...I mean, realistically, if there was to be another scale between 'large' and 'huge', the Starhawk would have been the spot to push it over. Neither the Raddus nor Resurgent are going to be any more plastic - given both are much 'flatter' ships, with very little more length.

I totally agree @xanderf that the Starhawk would have been a prime candidate for a new Extra Large base size. And to your point, it's entirely possible (if not likely) that we won't get a new base size. But look no further than the Interdictor and Liberty for evidence that ships of almost identical size can have different base sizes. Perhaps the Lucrehulk is just such a tipping point from one size to the next? If any ship is begging for a base in-between Large and Huge, it's the Lucrehulk.

As it stands right now, I'm starting to think that they might just fit it on a Large base. I still think if Clone Wars does get a Huge, it will be limited to the Malevolence (fingers crossed).

3 hours ago, Rmcarrier1 said:

I totally agree @xanderf that the Starhawk would have been a prime candidate for a new Extra Large base size. And to your point, it's entirely possible (if not likely) that we won't get a new base size. But look no further than the Interdictor and Liberty for evidence that ships of almost identical size can have different base sizes. Perhaps the Lucrehulk is just such a tipping point from one size to the next? If any ship is begging for a base in-between Large and Huge, it's the Lucrehulk.

As it stands right now, I'm starting to think that they might just fit it on a Large base. I still think if Clone Wars does get a Huge, it will be limited to the Malevolence (fingers crossed).

Yeah, it's a tossup. If another base was in the offing...but it just seems like not.

And when you look at the question of - based on that amount of plastic... and keep in mind this is TRUE SIZES, not even the sliding scale that will make them MUCH smaller! ...it's very obvious (based on the Starhawk) that the Raddus and Resurgent are both going to come in at 'Large' (presuming the game goes into that era)...

...I just dunno. Maybe when we see @Rune Taq 's sliding scale adjusted for the SSD, Starhawk, and Onager, it could be clearer. Currently, I can't help but think the Lucrehulk is going to set the record for the absolute-ridiculous-MAX of the 'large' base...but ONLY that, and obviously scaled down significantly (although, IMHO, not noticeably - as I think the design can take it).

@xanderf as I said earlier, in a far future second edition the Star Hawks might be moved to a Extra large base if they made one. It would have been a good move. But even that aside the darn ships just keep getting bigger after that. It would have been an interesting design rule to keep the SHs on a large so that all the OT content stays in a general size range (SSD withstanding of course). Then extra larges become a feature of PT content, and a main point of ST(gag) content. Especially since the ST era has so little to work with, it all being super sized might make it a good trade off to have their ships just be bigger so you need fewer of them.

Considering how long ago the Star hawk would have been in early development, this issue might have been put on the back burner to be dealt with in the development stage for the hulk. Which I would not be the least bit surprised to find out the hulk started and is in testing phase for some time now. In fact I would bet lunch and cocktails it is.

Edit: Ninjas. Ninjas everywhere.

@Rmcarrier1 my only sticking point with the Malevolence is that if it's a huge, it's going to look really odd next the the SSD. Considering the Subjugator class is about a quarter the size of the Executor class. 4.8km vs 19km. Ironically the Subjugator would be more scale accurate by far to the rest of the game.

It does seem like they will have a problem with sizes in the future, but scale wise they already sort of shrunk the Starhawk. In the game the Starhawk it a little bit bigger then Star Destroyer (IIRC), but the picture above shows its about a third larger(the Wook has it at being exactly 1/3 larger). So we can scale everything down maybe 1/3 really helps out with the sizes? Really like others are saying above it should have been the first extra large size that set up both the PT and the ST.

The Resurgent, Xyston, and MC-85 may get away with that same scale shrink. The other ST ships are much smaller like the FO carriers, Neb-C, Bukerbuster, and the Resistance Cargo Frigate. The MC-95 we have no idea the size of, but that MC-85 is so massive I would say they would be the same size or smaller.

15 hours ago, xanderf said:

Currently, I can't help but think the Lucrehulk is going to set the record for the absolute-ridiculous-MAX of the 'large' base...but ONLY that, and obviously scaled down significantly (although, IMHO, not noticeably - as I think the design can take it).

The advantage the Lucrehulk has is that a lot of people may not know how massive that ship is. I have been a lifelong Star Wars fan and I am still shocked by how large that sucker is every time I see the comparisons. So I am also in the camp that it could take that size hit without people thinking it looks off.

Don't forget though, FFG has already made two different sized models for the same ship across two editions once already in X-wing. And added a needed base size between with some ships moving to it. I wouldn't be surprised if they did it again.

*Glares at X-wing's TIE Silencer models*

1 hour ago, RyantheFett said:

The advantage the Lucrehulk has is that a lot of people may not know how massive that ship is. I have been a lifelong Star Wars fan and I am still shocked by how large that sucker is every time I see the comparisons. So I am also in the camp that it could take that size hit without people thinking it looks off.

👆🏻 👆🏻 👆🏻 This. I’m not in favor of the Trade Federation Battleship being huge, or even “extra large.” On screen it never looks like it would dwarf an ISD, and it certainly doesn’t dominate the battle space like an SSD. Also, I don’t think the model would sell at $200 nearly as well as the SSD did. However, it is, by far, the most recognizable CIS ship because of how prominent it is in TPM, so if FFG didn’t create it they would leave a lot of money on the table.

Personally, I’d prefer a model about the size of an ISD on a large base. I know that really messes with the “official” size of the ship, but I think it would be better for the way the game plays. Make it like a quasar but a little beefier and a little more expensive. Maybe squad 5 and 2R2B in the F/R/L and 2R1B in the rear. It lets the Lucrehulk (ugh, I hate that name) be a supporting carrier instead of a super expensive fleet centerpiece, which is more true to how it appeared to be used in the movies. Maybe it could have a title that lets it relay through other ships, like a reverse Centicore. That way you could kind of keep it behind the front lines.

31 minutes ago, bkcammack said:

It lets the Lucrehulk ( ugh, I hate that name ) be a supporting carrier...

2 hours ago, bkcammack said:

It lets the Lucrehulk (ugh, I hate that name)

Personally I find it good. FFG has an easy marketing strategy on their hands, and they might even end up nicknaming it the "luke." Who KNOWS how many nerds would buy one then?

I'd bet in that case it'd be very

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Lucrative.

49 minutes ago, geek19 said:

I'd bet in that case it'd be very

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Lucrative.

🙄 🙄 🙄

2 hours ago, bkcammack said:

🙄 🙄 🙄

I'm powered by groans!

13 hours ago, bkcammack said:

This. I’m not in favor of the Trade Federation Battleship being huge, or even “extra large.” On screen it never looks like it would dwarf an ISD, and it certainly doesn’t dominate the battle space like an SSD.

If a Venator can't fit between the cargo ring we riot 😁