14 minutes ago, Revan Reborn said:

It would be awesome if the Lucrehulk and Malevolence/Subjugator ship miniatures were that large in Armada because that would be my preference...

However , I doubt they will be that large because they are "thicker" shapes and will probably require more plastic than the SSD, which would presumably make them more expensive to produce. I'd be shocked if FFG/Asmodee tried to sell two $200 huge ship expansions for the same faction. Perhaps the Malevolence will be $200 and be released in a later Wave, after they've released all of the "practical" ships.

My prediction is that FFG will scale down the Lucrehulk so it will be in the $100-150 price range, making it more "affordable", and they'll go for sales volume rather than higher price per unit. I'm hoping that the Lucrehulk will be at least as long/wide as the Starhawk is long, but I wouldn't be surprised if its closer to ISD size. Even if the Lucrehulk was as wide as an ISD is long, it would still be more than twice the size and probably quadruple the surface area of the ISD.

I'm probably in the minority but I think I would've liked smaller but accurately scaled models for Armada so ships like the Lucrehulk wouldn't need to be downscaled.

18 minutes ago, Piratical Moustache said:

I'm probably in the minority but I think I would've liked smaller but accurately scaled models for Armada so ships like the Lucrehulk wouldn't need to be downscaled.

Eh, the Lucrehulk isn't really problematic. Most of them aren't, really - it's only the SSD that feels wildly wrong, and only that because the bridge superstructure is clearly meant to be the exact same as the ISD's. (As a counter-example - the Arquitens actually looks 'good' next to the SSD, even though it's even FARTHER out of scale, because there are no obvious visual pairings that don't match. IE., everything looks different, and looks smaller, and it feels believable a 'cruiser' would be about that size next to the SSD. I think the Lurcehulk will be the same - it doesn't have anything in the design it's outright copying from another ship to make any scale issues problematic, and it'll remain "bulky" looking at ANY scale.)

1 minute ago, Piratical Moustache said:

I'm probably in the minority but I think I would've liked smaller but accurately scaled models for Armada so ships like the Lucrehulk wouldn't need to be downscaled.

The scales of Armada's ship miniatures have never been accurate or consistent, but most Armada players are content with the sliding ship scale because it's practical. The perfect example of this is that the CR90 can't fit inside the ISD's ventral hangar bay like the Tantive IV did at the beginning of ANH. But if FFG had made the CR90 small enough to fit it would've been comparable in size to a single squadron mini, or the ISD would've been the size of the SSD and cost $200. I believe that FFG made the correct choice.

Armada's minis don't need to be 100% consistent in scale. It seems like the "rule of thumb" that FFG follows is that if, according to canon, a ship is larger than another ship, its ship mini should be larger.

For example, the ISD's ship mini is longer than the MC80, a MC80 is longer than a VSD, a VSD is longer than a AFM2, and so on.

That's why it would be acceptable to me if the Lucrehulk ship mini is only slightly longer than the ISD, even though the Lucrehulk should be nearly twice as long. The LC doesn't need to be that large -- even though it would be awesome!

1 hour ago, xanderf said:

Eh, the Lucrehulk isn't really problematic. Most of them aren't, really - it's only the SSD that feels wildly wrong, and only that because the bridge superstructure is clearly meant to be the exact same as the ISD's. (As a counter-example - the Arquitens actually looks 'good' next to the SSD, even though it's even FARTHER out of scale, because there are no obvious visual pairings that don't match. IE., everything looks different, and looks smaller, and it feels believable a 'cruiser' would be about that size next to the SSD. I think the Lurcehulk will be the same - it doesn't have anything in the design it's outright copying from another ship to make any scale issues problematic, and it'll remain "bulky" looking at ANY scale.)

I even find that the Victory doesn’t look bad next to an SSD — it’s a nice approximation of the visuals from ESB. Really, it’s only the ISD model that kind of ruins everything. 😆

12 hours ago, imlost19 said:

I actually went ahead and did it myself in TTS lol

This may be one of the best images posted on this... or any message board... in years.

6 hours ago, Rmcarrier1 said:

I even find that the Victory doesn’t look bad next to an SSD — it’s a nice approximation of the visuals from ESB. Really, it’s only the ISD model that kind of ruins everything. 😆

You're not wrong! I initially had the VSDs next to it in the display, but in the end, even their bridge superstructures were a bit TOO 'samey', and it kind of broke the illusion.

The Arquitens work perfectly . (And, indeed, makes their diminutive size next to the ISDs look a bit off). Interdictor works so-so. Onager actually looks better next to the SSD, as it kind of gives some implied 'heft' to the superweapon with its apparent over-scaling. And in-game? The MC80 Home One looks amaaaaaaaaazing next to the SSD, for those of us coming from the old EU lore which had the Home One notably larger than an ISD.

But, yeah, the ISD and SSD...those models just don't mix . Either fine (well - amazing!) on their own, and with most other ships, but... together ? They look ridiculous next to each other! IMHO, of course.

On 8/15/2020 at 3:15 PM, Dameon13 said:

It will probably be in Tade Federation colors because that is how it appeared on-screen.

I doubt the Lucrehulk will be a Huge based ship. Look at it's size relative to an ISD or Starhawk and then compare that to an SSD.

I'd expect one side of the cardboard to be the Battleship and the other to be the Droid Control Ship carrier. Slow, high hull but low shields, modest dice to Forward Left and Right. So, I expect more Hull than an ISD but less shields (less shields compared to the Age of Rebellion ships seams to be common theme amoung Clone Wars era ships). I would not be surprised by an Engineering value of only 3 and Speed 2. Less attack dice total, but a near even spread covering the 3 main arcs (4/4/4 or 6/6/6) with a combo of all 3 colors.

Squadron value of probably 6 for the carrier. We've never seen any base stat higher and feel this is for game balance reasons. You know there will be some cards to boost that anyways, as Expanded Hanger Bays is already a thing and some sort of Flight Control Droid officer card isn't a stretch.

It appeared in the CIS colors in RotS, didn't it? I could be misremembering

20 hours ago, thestag said:

I can't remember who made this (if anyone knows please let me know so I can give proper credit).

I made that. Haha I need to update it with all the new ships. Having twins really takes up a lot of time. Haha

I did put the SSD in there and I had to change the formula significantly to get a better best fit match. I briefly looked at the Starhawk and Onager months ago but had to drop it and take care of something. Maybe I can find some time this week and get it up to date.

If it were me I’d introduce a new size base. We have Large & Huge. Why not Extra-Large in between?

Make it a single base still but obviously bigger than a large. This seems like it would fill the gap for ships that are obviously bigger than a Large but not as big as a Huge (Lucrehulk, MC85 & Resurgent).

43 minutes ago, ISD Avenger said:

If it were me I’d introduce a new size base. We have Large & Huge. Why not Extra-Large in between?

Make it a single base still but obviously bigger than a large. This seems like it would fill the gap for ships that are obviously bigger than a Large but not as big as a Huge (Lucrehulk, MC85 & Resurgent).

I like and prefer this idea, but I don't think FFG will do that.

1 hour ago, ISD Avenger said:

If it were me I’d introduce a new size base. We have Large & Huge. Why not Extra-Large in between?

Make it a single base still but obviously bigger than a large. This seems like it would fill the gap for ships that are obviously bigger than a Large but not as big as a Huge (Lucrehulk, MC85 & Resurgent).

I mention this only to say that I agree, not to take credit, but I've posed this thought before as well. I think it would make a lot of sense, for all three ships mentioned. In the same thread where I proposed this, I stated that I think each era will have one Huge ship: SSD, Malevolence, and Mandator IV.

23 hours ago, imlost19 said:

I actually went ahead and did it myself in TTS lol

Just because I was curious to see it in real life (in case vasal's size was different) and I had an old game still out, here's the same Pic with real ships. I lined up the ships, not the bases.

On 8/14/2020 at 7:31 PM, Revan Reborn said:

except for the Core Ship seen in AotC. As we all know, those Core Ships attached to the Lucrehulk's cargo ring, which makes me wonder if FFG will produce a separate ship expansion for the Core Ship; OR, more interestingly, if they might design the Lucrehulk so that it's core sphere is detachable ?

If the core ship is an option I could see the Lucrehulk being capable of being converted like the X-Wing examples you listed but I really hope it shows up in a separate expansion as well. The points difference may be enough to run 3-4 in a list and buying that many Lucrehulks is going to be off putting to the majority of players.

1 hour ago, codytx2 said:

If the core ship is an option I could see the Lucrehulk being capable of being converted like the X-Wing examples you listed but I really hope it shows up in a separate expansion as well. The points difference may be enough to run 3-4 in a list and buying that many Lucrehulks is going to be off putting to the majority of players.

But... I thought we were all committed to the Armada version of the Knives Out chair?!

4 hours ago, codytx2 said:

If the core ship is an option I could see the Lucrehulk being capable of being converted like the X-Wing examples you listed but I really hope it shows up in a separate expansion as well. The points difference may be enough to run 3-4 in a list and buying that many Lucrehulks is going to be off putting to the majority of players.

That's a good point that I hadn't thought of.

I suppose FFG could handle it like they've said they will be Clone Wars Fleet Starters: At launch, buying the Starters will be the only way to get those 4 ships, but FFG has said that sometime in the future they might release single ship expansions for the Acclamator, Consular, Munificent, and Hardcell.

If the Lucrehulk did have a detachable Core Ship, I imagine that FFG would handle it the same way: Release the Lucrehulk first and release the Core Ship expansion later.

I think it's safe to say that the Lucrehulk will have far greater appeal than the Core Ship, so FFG should focus on the Lucrehulk and worry about the Core Ship afterward.

Speaking for myself, I doubt I would buy a separate Core Ship, unless it came with unique cards; then I'd buy one. But I wouldn't buy 2 or 3 Core Ships just to use them independently from the Lucrehulk. I'd more likely buy 2 Lucrehulks for my Separatists fleet and if they had detachable Core Ships I'd use them for certain builds.

16 hours ago, Crabbok said:

This may be one of the best images posted on this... or any message board... in years.

Lol, thanks! Feel free to use it in a video :)

1 hour ago, Revan Reborn said:

That's a good point that I hadn't thought of.

I suppose FFG could handle it like they've said they will be Clone Wars Fleet Starters: At launch, buying the Starters will be the only way to get those 4 ships, but FFG has said that sometime in the future they might release single ship expansions for the Acclamator, Consular, Munificent, and Hardcell.

If the Lucrehulk did have a detachable Core Ship, I imagine that FFG would handle it the same way: Release the Lucrehulk first and release the Core Ship expansion later.

I think it's safe to say that the Lucrehulk will have far greater appeal than the Core Ship, so FFG should focus on the Lucrehulk and worry about the Core Ship afterward.

Speaking for myself, I doubt I would buy a separate Core Ship, unless it came with unique cards; then I'd buy one. But I wouldn't buy 2 or 3 Core Ships just to use them independently from the Lucrehulk. I'd more likely buy 2 Lucrehulks for my Separatists fleet and if they had detachable Core Ships I'd use them for certain builds.

Agreed. How many would really depend on how much they lean into faction identity and what that looks like for the CIS. 3 or 4 Core ships making a sort of mesh network to activate swarms and swarms of droid fighters would be bonkers though. Imagine them all having a non-unique title similar to Centicore.

3 hours ago, Revan Reborn said:

That's a good point that I hadn't thought of.

I suppose FFG could handle it like they've said they will be Clone Wars Fleet Starters: At launch, buying the Starters will be the only way to get those 4 ships, but FFG has said that sometime in the future they might release single ship expansions for the Acclamator, Consular, Munificent, and Hardcell.

FFG was a little more definitive than that. They said "that's something we are looking to do in the future but right now we are focusing on getting the starters out."

I take that as we are going to but it's going to be a while.

1 hour ago, Rune Taq said:

FFG was a little more definitive than that. They said "that's something we are looking to do in the future but right now we are focusing on getting the starters out."

I take that as we are going to but it's going to be a while.

You have to remember that they opened with a statement that they could *only* talk about what was already revealed. Even that something in the future falls under that caveat.

2 hours ago, Formynder4 said:

You have to remember that they opened with a statement that they could *only* talk about what was already revealed. Even that something in the future falls under that caveat.

I believe the "what was already revealed" refered to other card and things in the new expansions anyway because they don't want to spoil any other upgrades or ship cards or whatever at this time. .

I asked that question about future separate expasions so I was very attentive to the answer. IMO, They said directly that they are looking to make separate expansions in the future. Whether they were talking about things they shouldn't have been is irrelevant. That just means that someone may get a slap on the wrist. And if they did not plan to create those expansions they would have beaten around the bush. Because they can't say things like Like @crabbok says. It's all about wording the questions in a way that they can answer. "Are you going to make a lukrehulk?" Is something they can't answer due to licensing restrictions. "Are the ships that were already revealed ever going to be separate expansions" apparently is something they can answer. Just my opinion, I think that answer was a clear "we will in the future." I am always willing to say I was wrong if it comes to that, though. I am optimistic about the answer FFG gave.

Could we be missing the obvious? Wouldn't it just make sense for FFG to make a new size category above large and below huge? Just an 'extra large' single base really?

Considering the above comparison chart it would make the most sense to me. It also sets the ground work for any ST(gag) stuff they want to do later.

Edit: added: Alternatively they could just sliding scale the heck out of it like they did the SSD and call it good. Considering some shots in the opening of RotS, i wouldn't see anything wrong with that. Again, going by the above diagram with the Star hawk next to it.

4 hours ago, ForceSensitive said:

Could we be missing the obvious? Wouldn't it just make sense for FFG to make a new size category above large and below huge? Just an 'extra large' single base really?

"We now have 3 sizes of large base, the regular Large, the Venti, and the Nachos bel Grande size."

Imagine for a moment 2 large bases, side by side.

Next, imagine them making a hard turn.

Gonna be wonky. Granted the SSD moving is already wonky

And how do you stick two large bases side by side together with a cardboard ship token?

I guess it could be done, but again, wonky.

That's said I WANTS the hulk!

@Green Knight in one of the threads that spawned this one, there was a nice discussion about that. Best we figured was the two bases side by side would each need a base plate 'blank' to fill the normal spot, then a bridge tile over that so you clear the two retainer rails on the inboard sides, but then a special peg stand that locks the top plate in place while accommodating the extra height of a second cardboard tile. To that I think the aforementioned dial-to-dial plate piece might* be of use to add some strength while making that weird turn, though not convenient for transportation.

@geek19 wouldn't it be large, extra large, and then since you need two pieces for the last one it's a large COMBO 😂 ... With fries 🤣

Mmm, delicious.