There's been interest from several people about the Lucrehulk being released for the Separatists in the near-, uncertain future. Rather than discuss the Lucrehulk in unrelated ship threads, I thought it was best to create a Lucrehulk thread.

I think it is a foregone conclusion that FFG will produce a Separatist Lucrehulk ship expansion; it's just a question of when ?

I think the Lucrehulk will have tremendous appeal for Prequel Trilogy fans -- perhaps more than any other ship because it appeared in all three Prequel films and its so large and iconic. The only "turn-off" is that it will probably be expensive. I'm guessing it will be at least as large as the Starhawk, probably twice as wide. I hope that doesn't mean it will be twice the price, but I'm certain it will be priced higher than the Starhawk. I think $100 MSRP would be a nice round number, which Armada fans would consider palatable after the Fleet Starters.

Because of the Lucrehulk's appeal, I think FFG would be smart to release it sometime in 2021 . We already know it won't be released in Q1 2021 because that's when the Venator, Providence, Recusant, and Republic Pelta are supposed to be released. Hopefully, the Lucrehulk will be released in the Wave after that one. IMO the sooner, the better!

My prediction for the Lucrehulk is that there will be a Battleship version and a Droid Control Ship version. The Battleship version will be geared more toward ship-to-ship combat, whereas the Droid Control Ship version would be more of a Carrier, with a significantly higher Squadron value and have multiple Offensive Retrofit slots to support a ton of squadrons. My prediction is that the Lucrehulk will cost 150-200 points, have a Command value of 4, and the Carrier version should have a Squadron value of at least 8. And the presumptive Separatist Commander included with the Lucrehulk would be Nute Gunray, of course.

Another consideration is that after the Lucrehulk -- and eventually the Malevolence/Subjugator huge ship -- the Separatists don't really have many "canon" warships remaining... except for the Core Ship seen in AotC. As we all know, those Core Ships attached to the Lucrehulk's cargo ring, which makes me wonder if FFG will produce a separate ship expansion for the Core Ship; OR, more interestingly, if they might design the Lucrehulk so that it's core sphere is detachable ?

While it's never been done in Armada, there is precedence for this in X-Wing: Lando's Millennium Falcon had the detachable Lifeboat and the 2nd Edition of the Ghost had the detachable Phantom II. Also, the upcoming Eta-2 Actis interceptor is coming with a detachable hyperspace ring, which is compatible with the Delta-7 Aethersprite released in 2019, and the upcoming V-Wing. If FFG is stepping up their game with X-Wing miniatures, I wonder if it's possible that FFG might do something ambitious like that with the Lucrehulk, because it's the perfect candidate.

In case some Armada players aren't aware, the larger miniatures are not one solid piece of plastic, like most of the small ship mini's; they're 2 or more pieces that are assembled together. Presumably, the large Lucrehulk would need to be produced from multiple pieces and pre-assembled, and the spherical Core would probably be a separate piece. I imagine that it wouldn't be overly complicated to make the Core sphere detachable from the ring-shaped ship. And that detached Core Ship could be mountable on its own medium-size base -- or perhaps a new square base.

I think that would be an incredible feature for the Lucrehulk, which would make it a double ship expansion, similar to the Hammerheads and Fleet Starters, which would make it even more appealing!

For me, buying into the Separatists is almost entirely dependent on the Lucrehulk. (If they come out I might be willing to make a list around the Sabaoth and C-9979, maybe ; but the Lucrehulk means I will definitely buy Separatist expansions.)

I hadn't thought about making the Core Ship part of it, and that would give the expansion a lot of versatility; even if the Lucrehulk is 200 points, the Core Ship could be 60 to 80 and fit in a Task Force list (which might be a format they'll be encouraging in the new Fleet Starters).

1 hour ago, FreakinUnoriginal said:

For me, buying into the Separatists is almost entirely dependent on the Lucrehulk. (If they come out I might be willing to make a list around the Sabaoth and C-9979, maybe ; but the Lucrehulk means I will definitely buy Separatist expansions.)

I hadn't thought about making the Core Ship part of it, and that would give the expansion a lot of versatility; even if the Lucrehulk is 200 points, the Core Ship could be 60 to 80 and fit in a Task Force list (which might be a format they'll be encouraging in the new Fleet Starters).

For me its the opposite. I will buy more republic ships if the Lucrehulk is added just so I can blow that stupid space donut out of the sky

If it comes out - and I hope does - do we think it will be a large ship or a huge ship?

• Large - on a standard large armada base like a beefy starhawk with 15 hull for about 150 points.
• Huge - on a new square base using the huge ship rules of the SSD with 20 hull for say 200 points.

I'm hoping for Huge ship with a detachable small ship core.

I think the Lucrehulk will be a Huge base ship with two bases side by side, connected by a special "double shield dial" like so:

I think its points and stats will be high enough to properly represent its size, but not high enough that you are forced to make it the absolute centrepiece of your fleet, so around ~130-140pts, High hull, average shields and firepower, bad manoeuvrability, good supports, squads, anti squad, etc.

The ability to detach the core ship and field it as a separate ship also seems like a possibility, gives FFG an excuse to up the price by chucking in an extra base, cards, tokens, etc. and release it as a standalone expansion à la the SSD.

Size comparison made by @xanderf from an earlier thread he made.

No doubt in my mind that the Lucrehulk should be a huge ship, but that doesn't have to mean it's dramatically more powerful than an ISD. High hull, high squadron value, and modest dice pool for the size class sounds right to me.

Agreed. My guess would be a squadron value closer to 6, and I do think at least one of the ship variants will be priced such that we can field two in a standard 400pt game, but on the whole, yes. This all makes sense to me.

My only complaint is that I want the Trade Federation paint job (grey) but I think the CIS blue is the more likely livery. Still very much looking forward to this ship though!

It will probably be in Tade Federation colors because that is how it appeared on-screen.

I doubt the Lucrehulk will be a Huge based ship. Look at it's size relative to an ISD or Starhawk and then compare that to an SSD.

I'd expect one side of the cardboard to be the Battleship and the other to be the Droid Control Ship carrier. Slow, high hull but low shields, modest dice to Forward Left and Right. So, I expect more Hull than an ISD but less shields (less shields compared to the Age of Rebellion ships seams to be common theme amoung Clone Wars era ships). I would not be surprised by an Engineering value of only 3 and Speed 2. Less attack dice total, but a near even spread covering the 3 main arcs (4/4/4 or 6/6/6) with a combo of all 3 colors.

Squadron value of probably 6 for the carrier. We've never seen any base stat higher and feel this is for game balance reasons. You know there will be some cards to boost that anyways, as Expanded Hanger Bays is already a thing and some sort of Flight Control Droid officer card isn't a stretch.

Is there a non-separatist Lucrehulk?

8 hours ago, Piratical Moustache said:

Size comparison made by @xanderf from an earlier thread he made.

No doubt in my mind that the Lucrehulk should be a huge ship, but that doesn't have to mean it's dramatically more powerful than an ISD. High hull, high squadron value, and modest dice pool for the size class sounds right to me.

How does the Hawk compare to that lineup?

34 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

How does the Hawk compare to that lineup?

According to Wookieepedia the Starhawk is 2400 meters long, so between the Resurgent and Imperial Star Destroyers.

I’m thinking it’ll be 2 very different variations. I do think it’ll be 2 large bases next to eachother, so be a huge. I’m thinking the command version will be a 4/7/4 with good flak, maybe 2 blue and a black? But very low maneuverability like the ssd, and not great dice versus ships. Maybe front arcs similar To a vic 2. Maybe 150-170 points? The battleship version Would be a 4/4/8 and have a lot more dice and be 200+ points.

4 hours ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Is there a non-separatist Lucrehulk?

The solid grey one, without the turbolaser ring, is a Trade Federation ship - as seen in Episode I as a 'droid control ship'. Although even that is an adapted design, as the base role of the ship is a bulk cargo carrier. Quite some years later the 'Separatists' became a thing, and the blue paintscheme was adopted when the Trade Federation added their fleet to that war.

And then later on, during the Galactic Civil War, the Rebellion used a couple of Lucrehulks as carriers or starfighter bases/training stations.

8 hours ago, mattmaclaren31 said:

I’m thinking it’ll be 2 very different variations. I do think it’ll be 2 large bases next to eachother, so be a huge. I’m thinking the command version will be a 4/7/4 with good flak, maybe 2 blue and a black? But very low maneuverability like the ssd, and not great dice versus ships. Maybe front arcs similar To a vic 2. Maybe 150-170 points? The battleship version Would be a 4/4/8 and have a lot more dice and be 200+ points.

I agree that the Lucrehulk will be probably be classified as a Huge ship and be mounted on two large bases placed side-by-side, and it will presumably have an over-sized cardboard base that spans the plastic bases, like the SSD.

I believe that FFG will classify the Lucrehulk as a Huge ship because it will benefit from all the special rules for Huge ships:

1. Huge ships receive and can use Pass tokens;
2. Huge ships have 6 firing arcs, which is perfect for a large circular ship like the Lucrehulk;
3. Huge ships can perform up to 3 attacks per activation;
4. When a Huge ship reveals a Command Dial, it also receives a matching command token; and
5. When a Huge ship's hull is reduced to half, it is classified as "crippled" and the opponent will score half its points value at the end of game.

All of those special rules make perfect sense for a Lucrehulk. And I suspect that a Lucrehulk might be "unplayable" if it wasn't a Huge ship.

just watch that lip over the side of the base that the front/back orientation of the SSD doesn’t have to worry about.

43 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

just watch that lip over the side of the base that the front/back orientation of the SSD doesn’t have to worry about.

If they do side-by-side bases, the cardboard would need* to extend over the front/back edges to wrap around the side ridges. And because the plastic covering the "middle" shield dial sockets prevents them from going right up against each other, there'd probably also be a middle channel of cardboard (which could have a center arc line, to split zones into front-left and front-right arcs).

* If they want it to look like a single piece; I guess they could also do separate bases and have the inner arcs be blank.

Although, if the Starhawk is supposed to be 2400m and it's only 2 inches longer than the ISD, I can kind of see FFG doing a single large base for the Lucrehulk; the cardboard could still extend beyond and around the base for bumping purposes. Or maybe it's mounted sideways and moves forward using the range ruler, and turns at speed 0 like that one Onager title.

I am 100% in Favor of a Lucrehulk being a huge ship and having side by side bases. Or maybe even a custom base.

On 8/15/2020 at 8:05 AM, Piratical Moustache said:

Size comparison made by @xanderf from an earlier thread he made.

No doubt in my mind that the Lucrehulk should be a huge ship, but that doesn't have to mean it's dramatically more powerful than an ISD. High hull, high squadron value, and modest dice pool for the size class sounds right to me.

It would be cool if someone made that same scale chart but with the Armada minis instead. That way we can see relative scale to actual size side by side

On 8/16/2020 at 7:49 AM, imlost19 said:

It would be cool if someone made that same scale chart but with the Armada minis instead. That way we can see relative scale to actual size side by side

I can't remember who made this (if anyone knows please let me know so I can give proper credit).

This was made by @Rune Taq It's missing the newest stuff, but he's going to try and update it.

I actually went ahead and did it myself in TTS lol

1 hour ago, imlost19 said:

I actually went ahead and did it myself in TTS lol

Looks about right, the Lucrehulk is a little over 50% longer than an ISD so the Armada rescaling doesn't feel too inauthentic.

1 hour ago, imlost19 said:

I actually went ahead and did it myself in TTS lol

If the Malevolence and Lucrehulk come in at those sizes, they are going to look enormous on the table!

2 hours ago, thestag said:

I can't remember who made this (if anyone knows please let me know so I can give proper credit).

Would be curious to see that updated with the Starhawk and Onager. (And Acclamator, Consular, Munificent, and Harcell as those are coming soon).

FWIW, I've updated the 'true scale' graphic to include the Starhawk, and fix the width issue with the SSD:

@xanderf — This is terrific! I love seeing the Starhawk in this lineup; it does a great job illustrating just how big it really is.

Where does the Malevolence fall? 5 or 6km?

4 hours ago, imlost19 said:

I actually went ahead and did it myself in TTS lol

It would be awesome if the Lucrehulk and Malevolence/Subjugator ship miniatures were that large in Armada because that would be my preference...

However , I doubt they will be that large because they are "thicker" shapes and will probably require more plastic than the SSD, which would presumably make them more expensive to produce. I'd be shocked if FFG/Asmodee tried to sell two $200 huge ship expansions for the same faction. Perhaps the Malevolence will be $200 and be released in a later Wave, after they've released all of the "practical" ships.

My prediction is that FFG will scale down the Lucrehulk so it will be in the $100-150 price range, making it more "affordable", and they'll go for sales volume rather than higher price per unit. I'm hoping that the Lucrehulk will be at least as long/wide as the Starhawk is long, but I wouldn't be surprised if its closer to ISD size. Even if the Lucrehulk was as wide as an ISD is long, it would still be more than twice the size and probably quadruple the surface area of the ISD.