Watching now. Any new stuff?

hi max

I got about 30 mins through. Nothing till that point.

Nothing new until the end. Key words are coming to help in list building and have more upgrades that can only fit a keyword. Will only be in the app or pdf not on cards (aside from upgrades stating a limit). Light side and dark side are the first versions of it, but others like “tie only” we knew about falls under this. Same for things like “clone” or “mandalorian” coming but only matter in list building

Discussion on builder keywords starts just after an hour in.

Builder keywords should not affect in game effects, but should only affect list building as Light Side and Dark Side do. Ships can have multiple keywords. Kanan Jarrus in the VCX will have the most at 4.

17 new builder keywords will be added sometime in the fall. About 1/3 of them will be ship type keywords like TIE, A-Wing, or X-Wing. Identity Keywords exist like Clone, Droid, Mandalorian, and Sith (and likely Jedi).

Black Sun and Imperial Remnant were thrown out as potential keywords eventually.

28 minutes ago, 5050Saint said:

Discussion on builder keywords starts just after an hour in.

Builder keywords should effect in game effects, but should only effect list building as Light Side and Dark Side do. Ships can have multiple keywords. Kanan Jarrus in the VCX will have the most at 4.

17 new builder keywords will be added sometime in the fall. About 1/3 of them will be ship type keywords like TIE, A-Wing, or X-Wing. Identity Keywords exist like Clone, Droid, Mandalorian, and Sith (and likely Jedi).

Black Sun and Imperial Remnant were thrown out as potential keywords eventually.

It'd be nice if they toss in "Pirate" and "Hutt" as keywords somehow as well. I wonder if, like the V-Wing is able to make use of Tie specific upgrades, they'll include the precursor designs to the A-Wing in the A-Wing "family". IE Actis and Aethersprite (Like the A-Wing they're both Kuati fighters, with similar chassis capabilities to the A-Wing).

One thing they did solidly define, there has been a little confusion on this, is the Wave breakdown:

Wave 7: Xi, LAAT, Droid Gunship.

Wave 7.1: TIE/Rb, Heralds of Hope.

Wave 8: V-Wing, Actis, Jango, Tri-Fighter.

6 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

Wave 7: Xi, LAAT, Droid Gunship.

Wave 7.1: TIE/Rb, Heralds of Hope.

Wave 8: V-Wing, Actis, Jango, Tri-Fighter.

The question still on everyone's minds: are the three spoiled squadron packs Wave 8.1, wave 9, or something else?

2 minutes ago, ClassicalMoser said:

The question still on everyone's minds: are the three spoiled squadron packs Wave 8.1, wave 9, or something else?

I'm guessing we'll find out in Nov or Dec.

1 hour ago, 5050Saint said:

Discussion on builder keywords starts just after an hour in.

Builder keywords should effect in game effects, but should only effect list building as Light Side and Dark Side do. Ships can have multiple keywords. Kanan Jarrus in the VCX will have the most at 4.

17 new builder keywords will be added sometime in the fall. About 1/3 of them will be ship type keywords like TIE, A-Wing, or X-Wing. Identity Keywords exist like Clone, Droid, Mandalorian, and Sith (and likely Jedi).

Black Sun and Imperial Remnant were thrown out as potential keywords eventually.

Interesting, that tidbit about Kanan suggests each pilot can have their own keywords. This could diversify pilots quite a bit. The BTL-B Y-wing for example would mostly have the 'Clone' keyword, but R2-D2 and Anakin would have 'Droid' and 'Jedi' instead. Black Sun getting mentioned is promising to me, at the moment there aren't many Black Sun pilots. The Z-95 has 1 (Black Sun Soldier), the Kihraxz has 2 (Black Sun Ace, Talonbane Cobra), and the StarViper has 4 (Black Sun Enforcer, Black Sun Assassin, Guri, Xizor). Introducing a keyword for the benefit of only 7 pilots, most of which are StarViper pilots, doesn't seem worthwhile. Which makes me think they're looking at expanding Black Sun at some point, which is fine by me (especially if it means new Viper pilots)

2 hours ago, Enigami said:

Interesting, that tidbit about Kanan suggests each pilot can have their own keywords. This could diversify pilots quite a bit. The BTL-B Y-wing for example would mostly have the 'Clone' keyword, but R2-D2 and Anakin would have 'Droid' and 'Jedi' instead. Black Sun getting mentioned is promising to me, at the moment there aren't many Black Sun pilots. The Z-95 has 1 (Black Sun Soldier), the Kihraxz has 2 (Black Sun Ace, Talonbane Cobra), and the StarViper has 4 (Black Sun Enforcer, Black Sun Assassin, Guri, Xizor). Introducing a keyword for the benefit of only 7 pilots, most of which are StarViper pilots, doesn't seem worthwhile. Which makes me think they're looking at expanding Black Sun at some point, which is fine by me (especially if it means new Viper pilots)

It was only tossed out as a potential keyword should they want to go that direction. If my post led you to believe that they are definitely going to use it in the future, that was not my intention.

Also, Ketsu Onyo's subtitle is Black Sun Contractor, so she could get in on that action as well.

19 minutes ago, 5050Saint said:

Also, Ketsu Onyo's subtitle is Black Sun Contractor, so she could get in on that action as well.

Nice catch.

56 minutes ago, 5050Saint said:

Also, Ketsu Onyo's subtitle is Black Sun Contractor, so she could get in on that action as well.

She's also, Canonically, a Mandalorian so she'll likely, along with Sabine, have that tagged onto her pdf/app entry as well.

S&V Mando's (excluding unreleased content as of Aug 12, 2020 to cover someone digging through this thread after x# of years and necroing it to argue that Djinn (sp) and the Kid are Mando's) :

All of the Fangs, Sabine Wrenn, Kestu Onyo and Boba.

Another couple of things I picked up from from the vid about sideslips. Forwards only, turn templates are also used in sideslips if that is the maneuver indicated, not just banks, and the speed of the sideslip matches the speed of the maneuver shown. It sounds like the template is placed so that, in the case of a bank, the gunship will be facing the same direction as if they had just done a bank. Turns will be placed for a side slip in the same method. IE Left bank/turn will have the template lined up with the hash mark on the right of the ship, right bank/turn will have the template placed on the left of the ship.

This keyword thing may be a way to fix some ships that are lagging behind....

Release a certain turret upgrade that helps ships with turret upgrades but without allowing other ships with turret upgrades to use them.

4 hours ago, 5050Saint said:

Ships can have multiple keywords. Kanan Jarrus in the VCX will have the most at 4.

Any guesses on what all of his are? My thoughts are Jedi, Light Side, Spectre, and ???.

I wonder if they will have a "Bounty Hunter" keyword. I think that could have some interesting gamespace to play with. Perhaps a bounty type talent that would function similar to "A Score to Settle" from 1st Edition. Or a talent that worked only against unique pilots.

46 minutes ago, 5050Saint said:

and ???.

blind

4 hours ago, Hiemfire said:

It'd be nice if they toss in "Pirate" and "Hutt" as keywords somehow as well. I wonder if, like the V-Wing is able to make use of Tie specific upgrades, they'll include the precursor designs to the A-Wing in the A-Wing "family". IE Actis and Aethersprite (Like the A-Wing they're both Kuati fighters, with similar chassis capabilities to the A-Wing).

I'm a little confused about this, since I heard the V-Wing TIE upgrade thing.

The Eta-2 Actis looks way more like a TIE than the V-Wing, with the window design on the very front of the Actis' cockpit (and the cockpit as a whole being close to something like the TIE Phantom) and the wider wings, which even have a more or less TIE pattern on the side of the wings facing inward. If you took just the cockpit and the wings, it would look like you have a weird, warped, proto-TIE.

When it comes to the V-Wing, the only thing the V-Wing and a TIE have in common is that they're starfighters that happen to have a wing-like structure perpendicular to the craft during flight. I guess internal components could be compatible, but they don't look to have any sort of connected history at all. However, if you shrunk the wings of the V-Wing and moved them to the back, you'd more or less have a slimmer A-Wing (in silhouette, not sure in size), again, including the cockpit.

Is this just a weird fluke of canon?

7 minutes ago, Jokubas said:

I'm a little confused about this, since I heard the V-Wing TIE upgrade thing.

The Eta-2 Actis looks way more like a TIE than the V-Wing, with the window design on the very front of the Actis' cockpit (and the cockpit as a whole being close to something like the TIE Phantom) and the wider wings, which even have a more or less TIE pattern on the side of the wings facing inward. If you took just the cockpit and the wings, it would look like you have a weird, warped, proto-TIE.

When it comes to the V-Wing, the only thing the V-Wing and a TIE have in common is that they're starfighters that happen to have a wing-like structure perpendicular to the craft during flight. I guess internal components could be compatible, but they don't look to have any sort of connected history at all. However, if you shrunk the wings of the V-Wing and moved them to the back, you'd more or less have a slimmer A-Wing (in silhouette, not sure in size), again, including the cockpit.

Is this just a weird fluke of canon?

From Wookieepedia: "The Alpha-3 Nimbus was little more than a single pilot fuselage pod sitting on vertically stacked ion engines flanked by deployable, heat radiating, stability foils. The V-wing was designed for speed and agility, at the expense of a reliable life support system or hyperdrive. The pilot instead relied on a sealed flight suit in case of ejection."

In that description, you could replace Alpha-3 Nimbus and V-Wing with TIE fighter and it would fit perfectly.

17 minutes ago, 5050Saint said:

In that description, you could replace Alpha-3 Nimbus and V-Wing with TIE fighter and it would fit perfectly.

I guess the hang up for me was isn't that it's unbelievable to have a world in which the V-Wing became a TIE on its own (and I'm talking visually), but when the contemporary Actis has key features that are dead ringers for a TIE, it seems a much more obvious predecessor (the fact that the V-Wing has key features that are a dead ringer for an A-Wing instead just makes that stand out even more).

I think this quote helps explain it for me though:
"Initially, Kuat Systems Engineering and Sienar Fleet Systems were competitors. However, with the rise of the Galactic Empire, Sienar acquired key assets and engineers formerly employed by Kuat, which ultimately led to the creation of the TIE line of starfighters."

So at least it's probably not a coincidence that the Actis shares features with the TIE, it's just not relevant to the internal makeup I guess.

As for the main topic, the idea of more keywords is certainly interesting. I'm not the biggest fan of all these "invisible" features of the game that only appear on the PDFs or Squad Builder, but I get the reason why for points, so I'm intrigued to see where this goes.

5 hours ago, 5050Saint said:

Any guesses on what all of his are? My thoughts are Jedi, Light Side, Spectre, and ???.

I wonder if they will have a "Bounty Hunter" keyword. I think that could have some interesting gamespace to play with. Perhaps a bounty type talent that would function similar to "A Score to Settle" from 1st Edition. Or a talent that worked only against unique pilots.

Guessing Dark side if Maul is on the ship.

6 hours ago, 5050Saint said:

Any guesses on what all of his are? My thoughts are Jedi, Light Side, Spectre, and ???.

actual guess: "carrier"

11 hours ago, 5050Saint said:

Any guesses on what all of his are? My thoughts are Jedi, Light Side, Spectre, and ???.

Wouldn't you say light side and Jedi are the same thing? Other than Ahsoka I don't think many pilots would come under one and not the other.

My guess would be light side, spectre or phoenix squadron, then a link to the clone wars era as he was around then even if he was only a apprentice and finally maybe "leader"

1 hour ago, K13R4N said:

Wouldn't you say light side and Jedi are the same thing? Other than Ahsoka I don't think many pilots would come under one and not the other.

Yes/no? Mechanically, the Jedi interceptors are very different to Rebel lightsiders, for eg. Certain future cards may require further restriction for the sake of game balance.