Hey everyone,

since I'm super interested in the separatist ships and we don't have as much informations about them as the republic ships I wanted to speculate a bit about the point costs of the Munificent.

The first thing that came to my mind as a comparison is the assault frigates.

Both ships have the same amount of hull and shields. Also both ships have pretty similar of defence tokens where the frigates are a bit more durable, while the Munificent can shoot back and the same number of engineering points.

The fire power is pretty similar to the Mark II A. The assault frigate is a little bit better on the sides, while the Munificent is a little bit better on the front.

If you look at the upgrade bar both ships can have an officer, a defensive retrofit and turbolasers. The assault frigates can have offensive retrofits that can make it a much better carrier and the weapons team Upgrade can make squad activations more deadly or the ship itself have a stronger offensive output. I might undervalue the Ion cannon upgrades but with only two blue dice at the front I think it is not optimal while the Support Team might give the munificent more staying power or faster with engine techs if you spam nav commands.

The big selling point for the assault frigate is obviously the speed of 3.

Overall I think the Munificent that we saw is between the Mark II A and Mark II B beeing a bit worse as a carrier and having worse maneuverability.

Since the acclamator seems to be fairly similar to the Victory class but beeing a bit cheaper I expect the munificent to be slightly cheaper as well.

In the end I expect it to cost around as much as the Mark II B so 72 points.

What do you guys think?

My guess for the battle variant is high 70s. Maybe 75-78?

AFmk2A has two more blue anti-ship dice, one higher command, can go faster. And has 2 blue over 1 red flak.

Based on the one version of the Munificent frigate we've seen, which I believe is the Comms Frigate version, it seems to be comparable to an Assault Frigate Mark II B , because they both have Hull 6, Squadron 3, Engineering 4, the same shields layout: F:4, S:3, R:2, and the same number of red and blue dice in their attack pools, except that the AFM2B's 2 blue dice in the side arcs have been moved to the Munificent's front arc.

It's difficult to make out the Munificent's upgrade slots in the picture, but I think they are: Officer, Support Team, Defensive Retrofit, Ion Cannon, and Turbolaser. Although, I believe that card is the second version of the Munificent, most likely called the "Star Frigate". My guess is that the Comms Frigate will substitute the Def. Retrofit for an Offensive Retrofit slot, so that it can equip Boosted Comms or Expanded Hangar Bays, and function more as a carrier, whereas the Star Frigate is more geared for ship-to-ship combat, hence the Def. Retrofit -- and I'm guessing its Squadron value is reduced to 2.

My guess is that the Munificent-class Comms Frigate is 68-72 points. I believe the second version is called the Munificent-class Star Frigate and will be 75-80 points.

I'd guess the Ion Cannon is for the other version which will likely have more blue dice. Ion Cannon for only 2 front blue seems out of place.

36 minutes ago, Thrindal said:

I'd guess the Ion Cannon is for the other version which will likely have more blue dice. Ion Cannon for only 2 front blue seems out of place.

The Munificent only has 2 long-range ion cannons mounted at the prow though.

6 hours ago, >kkj said:

The Munificent only has 2 long-range ion cannons mounted at the prow though.

That's the Comms Frigate version of the Munificent. We're assuming that the ship card mostly covered by the Hardcell-class Battle Refit card is the second version of the Munificent, and it appears to have the Ion Cannon slot.

It's possible that the second version of the Munificent has more blue dice, thereby justifying the Ion Cannon slot. It's also possible that the Munificent Comms Frigate will not have the Ion Cannon slot because the only blue dice it has are the 2 in its front arc.

However, the ISD-I also has 2 blue dice in its front arc and no blue dice in its side arcs, but it has the Ion Cannon slot, so there is precedence for a ship having the IC slot but having few blue dice. I suppose that having the IC slot can't hurt, although I think that most players wouldn't bother equipping an IC upgrade -- at least not an expensive one -- on the Munificent because it has so few blue dice, and it has the narrowest front arc of any medium-size ship in Armada.

Regardless, my bet is that the Munificent Comms Frigate won't have the IC slot and it will be the cheaper of the two versions of the Munificent.

7 hours ago, Revan Reborn said:

That's the Comms Frigate version of the Munificent. We're assuming that the ship card mostly covered by the Hardcell-class Battle Refit card is the second version of the Munificent, and it appears to have the Ion Cannon slot.

It's possible that the second version of the Munificent has more blue dice, thereby justifying the Ion Cannon slot. It's also possible that the Munificent Comms Frigate will not have the Ion Cannon slot because the only blue dice it has are the 2 in its front arc.

However, the ISD-I also has 2 blue dice in its front arc and no blue dice in its side arcs, but it has the Ion Cannon slot, so there is precedence for a ship having the IC slot but having few blue dice. I suppose that having the IC slot can't hurt, although I think that most players wouldn't bother equipping an IC upgrade -- at least not an expensive one -- on the Munificent because it has so few blue dice, and it has the narrowest front arc of any medium-size ship in Armada.

Regardless, my bet is that the Munificent Comms Frigate won't have the IC slot and it will be the cheaper of the two versions of the Munificent.

A more or less useless Ion Cannon slot as an upgrade could actually justify a lower point cost.

If it has an offensive retrofit or weapons team upgrade slot it could actually make it a pretty strong carrier.

But I would actually prefer the other version of the Munificent to have some black dice and an ordnance slot

With Engine techs and maybe external racks it could make a really nasty double arc in close range.

This is wildly speculative on my part since the ship hasn't even been announced yet but I'm interested to know the points for the Lucrehulk . I'm guessing it will be even more expensive than the ISD-II. Perhaps around 150pts? A Lucrehulk two-ship would be mighty fun to experiment with, I suspect.

7 hours ago, Vanir92 said:

A more or less useless Ion Cannon slot as an upgrade could actually justify a lower point cost.

If it has an offensive retrofit or weapons team upgrade slot it could actually make it a pretty strong carrier.

But I would actually prefer the other version of the Munificent to have some black dice and an ordnance slot

With Engine techs and maybe external racks it could make a really nasty double arc in close range.

It's possible, but since the first Munificent is called a "Comms Frigate" and the Munificent is officially named the "Munificent-class star frigate", I believe the second version of the Munificent in Armada will be the "Star Frigate" version and it will be the more expensive of the two ships. I believe that the "Comms Frigate" designation originates from the Munificent's original purpose as the Banking Clan Comms Ship, and its purpose: "The Munificent-class acted as a key component of the Banking Clan's network by carrying hyperwave transceivers and communications arrays that allowed secure financial transactions to occur across the galaxy." I believe the Comms Frigate is the pre-Clone Wars configuration of the Munificent and the Star Frigate will be the battle refit (similar to the Hardcell), so it would make sense that the latter will be more heavily armed and cost more points.

I agree that its possible the Munificent Comms Frigate could have an Off. Retrofit instead of a Def. Retrofit and function as a carrier, because I stated that earlier:

22 hours ago, Revan Reborn said:

It's difficult to make out the Munificent's upgrade slots in the picture, but I think they are: Officer, Support Team, Defensive Retrofit, Ion Cannon, and Turbolaser. Although, I believe that card is the second version of the Munificent, most likely called the "Star Frigate". My guess is that the Comms Frigate will substitute the Def. Retrofit for an Offensive Retrofit slot, so that it can equip Boosted Comms or Expanded Hangar Bays, and function more as a carrier, whereas the Star Frigate is more geared for ship-to-ship combat, hence the Def. Retrofit -- and I'm guessing its Squadron value is reduced to 2.

I don't think the second version of the Munificent will have black dice or an Ordnance Slot because I'm fairly certain the second version's ship card is the one mostly covered by the Hardcell Battle Refit card in the picture I posted earlier in this thread. It's difficult to see, but I think the 2nd slot from the bottom is an Ion Cannon slot and the slot on the bottom is a Turbolaser slot.

It's true that the Separatists used missiles more than the Republic, however it doesn't appear that either the Munificent or the Hardcell have any black dice:

My prediction is that at least one version of the Providence-class destroyer/carrier will have black dice and an Ordnance slot, because in The Clone Wars CG-animated series, Admiral Trench's dreadnought version of the Providence had Tracking Torpedoes, which I also predict will be a new Ordnance upgrade card and will be included in the Providence ship expansion.

4 hours ago, Rmcarrier1 said:

This is wildly speculative on my part since the ship hasn't even been announced yet but I'm interested to know the points for the Lucrehulk . I'm guessing it will be even more expensive than the ISD-II. Perhaps around 150pts? A Lucrehulk two-ship would be mighty fun to experiment with, I suspect.

I'd be happy to speculate about the Lucrehulk and its points cost in a separate Lucrehulk thread.