6 hours ago, flatpackhamster said:

I might be misremembering, but I thought that with Leia you couldn't do any other types of commands during your turn. So you could spend an engineering token that you were carrying if you had resolved an engineering dial, but not if you had resolved a maneuver dial.

Those things I listed aren't resolving commands.

12 hours ago, Benmartin said:

Bringing Tarkin down to the equivalent level of Thrawn (assuming they didn't reduce points on a lot more Commanders than just Leia & Tarkin) would suggest that they feel that token-generation was a lot less useful/needed than they had originally intended (at the initial launch).

But if anything, tokens appear to be much more useful under the new rules for their use - Tarkin is even *more* powerful than he was before. So I'd be a bit surprised if his points cost were reduced...

As I explained earlier: " I think most Armada players will agree that FFG seemed to over-value command tokens in the early days of Armada, which is why there were so many token generating Commanders and Officers released in the early days. Then in Wave 3, flotillas and Comms Net were introduced, and suddenly there were more convenient ways to give tokens to ships, which also provided a cheap activation, and there was no limit on the number of flotillas, at the time. Ever since Wave 3, most players stopped using Tarkin, Leia , and Garm Bel Iblis, and most of the token Officers. "

Prior to the CWA reveal, I think that most Armada players would've agreed that Tarkin and GBI were too expensive because generating command tokens wasn't as useful as most of the other Commanders' abilities. Therefore, most players would've agreed that reducing their points cost was justified -- especially for Tarkin, because 38 points was ridiculous, especially considering the Empire's propensity for using smaller numbers of larger ships, thereby minimizing the value of Tarkin's ability.

That might've changed with the reveal of those CWA upgrade cards that give out a lot of tokens. However, I don't think those upgrade cards will synergize with GCW ships and upgrades as well as Clone Wars ships and upgrades. For example, Clone Gunners should synergize perfectly with Munitions Resupply. So even though Tarkin's ability will be more useful when CWA is released than it was in the past, I still that that Tarkin's points value will be reduced in the Upgrade Card Collection.

If Tarkin was reduced to 30-32 points, yes, he'd be the comparable to Thrawn. Thrawn has arguably the best ability out of the Empire's Commander, and is the most popular Commander among Imperial players, based on the most recent competitive statistics. So if Tarkin was updated to cost roughly the same as Thrawn, I think that would be generous. TBH I wouldn't be surprised if Thrawn's points cost was raised -- perhaps Tarkin and Thrawn might even swap points costs.

I predict that a lot more Commanders than just Leia will have their points adjusted in the Upgrade Card Collection, and I'm confident that Tarkin will be one of them.

48 minutes ago, Revan Reborn said:

If Tarkin was reduced to 30-32 points, yes, he'd be the comparable to Thrawn. Thrawn has arguably the best ability out of the Empire's Commander, and is the most popular Commander among Imperial players, based on the most recent competitive statistics. So if Tarkin was updated to cost roughly the same as Thrawn, I think that would be generous. TBH I wouldn't be surprised if Thrawn's points cost was raised -- perhaps Tarkin and Thrawn might even swap points costs.

According to the Prime Championships 2019-2020 Season Data, Thrawn is not the most popular commander among Imperial players; he is third, with Jerjerrod being the most popular Imperial commander, followed by Sloane. Also, I think we all would be very surprised if Thrawn's points got adjusted given that he was one of the spoiled cards from the Upgrade Card Collection (still 32 points).

7 hours ago, Formynder4 said:

Those things I listed aren't resolving commands.

Every time I think I understand the rules...

@Revan Reborn - good points, and I very much agree regarding most of it, particularly Thrawns current ability and value.

I think that I'm expecting that a number of the changes they are making will let the GCW ships and upgrade synergize better.

I also don't have quite as much confidence that they will be 'progressive' in revising points; rather I'm expecting them to only change the really obvious outliers (as Leia obviously is).

So while I do agree that right now Tarkin is an outlier on the expensive side, I'm not sure he will be after the rest of the changes, or that they'll feel that he (with new added value) is worth changing.

I wonder if Ion Cannon Batteries is going to get a point adjustment. At 5pts. it is going to see a lot more play in fleets. Token stripping to keep upgrades from refreshing is gonna be a thing...

Or ms-1 ions. Exhaust those upgrades that have conditions to unexhaust