14 hours ago, lunitic501 said:

I'm mean I'm somebody who owns and least 1 of every expansion currently released. And I have absolutely no desire to by this. I dont need the duplicate cards and I'm perfectly content with my smaller upgrades.

You’ll be content with some large upgrades and some small ones?! Jeez, no way I could live like that!

Not thrilled that they’re changing the size of the upgrade cards. I’m not the biggest clone wars fan but the new starters for both factions do look cool. Just wish they didn’t mess with the card sizes.

3 hours ago, Mad Cat said:

I wonder if all these upgrade cards will have their errata included in the wording? such as...

TRCs - Exhaust
Avenger - Exhaust
Rieekan - Once per turn
Galant Haven - To a min of 1

It would be a major blunder and missed opportunity to not to print the revised wordings of Errata-ed cards in the new standard size format.

Although, it wouldn't surprise me if one or two slip through.

I am hoping it comes with ship cards too

With regards to space management, I find myself placing upgrades on top of ship cards to keep space. Probably not getting this, but for CW stuff I would probably place the ship card on top and the upgrades below in a stack since they're all the same size, minor spread if I need to remember what I've equipped.

Personally, I hope the starter packs have a small damage deck, so they don't obscure the ship card

5 hours ago, miridor said:

As some who owns at least 1 of every ship I like the current Mini-American size, but my eyes do not. I'll pick up the card pack for sure and be glad for the slightly larger text. I am however against the ship cards being reduced, my eyes again and I like the layouts on the tarot cards. now to sleeve all these cards again that's going to be the horrible part lol

I am confident that there will not be a "requirement" to change to the standard size. I'm sure there will be gutie a few players not buying into the size changes.

I believe the word font is the same size though...

7 hours ago, ianediger said:

I guess that we could all just do what the majority in XWing do and print out our lists

For casual games, that's what I've been doing all along. Just the ship card plus my print out.

Tournaments are the bigger issue: more players, often crammed in closer, needing all the cards = more mess.

6 hours ago, mazz0 said:

You’ll be content with some large upgrades and some small ones?! Jeez, no way I could live like they!

For myself? I'll likely just keep all my Clone Wars stuff separate - different binder, definitely different display cases. Shouldn't be TOO difficult, assuming they don't need upgrade cards for the same slots as badly, and those cards (IE., gunnery teams, etc) aren't in either of the box sets.

It's annoying for us longer-term players, but...I get the reasoning, to reduce cost and make it more accessible to new players. Just...*grumble*, *grumble*...

The cost saving argument makes sense although it will be a pain to have different sized cards. I am also very pleased to see that it might be the end of the horrible plastic blister packs which I loathe. Impossible to get open, guarantee of serious lacerations and you have to take them apart completely to get the contents out. And I don't imagine that they're very environmentally sound either.

You only need to have the cards present - they don't have to be laid out.

Just use a decent fleet builder, and have a copy of your list to hand to your opponent to peruse at their leisure.

When I head to a big tournament I blutack my upgrade cards to some perspex blocks, and the cards overlay each other so that the text is visible, but not all the art. When I move from table to table I just put my ships and squads on the perspex blocks and carry it all over at once. I don't have to lay out the cards, etc.

1 hour ago, LTD said:

You only need to have the cards present - they don't have to be laid out.

Just use a decent fleet builder, and have a copy of your list to hand to your opponent to peruse at their leisure.

When I head to a big tournament I blutack my upgrade cards to some perspex blocks, and the cards overlay each other so that the text is visible, but not all the art. When I move from table to table I just put my ships and squads on the perspex blocks and carry it all over at once. I don't have to lay out the cards, etc.

That's a good point actually, you could just have your ship card visible and then stack the upgrade cards next to it. When it comes time to activate or defend with the ship you can just hold the deck up like you're playing poker

I tend to reference the cards a lot, so it will be a pain, but we will get use to it. I would still prefer they didn't change as I am already a bit OCD about using the alt art BCC as it is the standard size. I will have to wait and see how I feel playing the game with a mixture of upgrade card sizes. My feeling is it will bug me to the point that I will just buy the pack so all my upgrades are the same size

What cost saving are we talking about? Buying different sized sleeves?

Just now, mazz0 said:

What cost saving are we talking about? Buying different sized sleeves?

Production.

Though ironically, all the new expansions seem more expensive than their predecessors (e.g. the Squadron Packs being $5 more). If production costs really have been eased by this transition, they're doing a good job of hiding it. . .

5 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Production.

Though ironically, all the new expansions seem more expensive than their predecessors (e.g. the Squadron Packs being $5 more). If production costs really have been eased by this transition, they're doing a good job of hiding it. . .

Oh right, I thought people meant savings for the customers.

I think that’s bad reasoning. Producing an inferior product for what must be small efficiency savings seems dodgy. Have they said it’s for cost savings or are people making that inference?

Are we sure it's an inferior product? FFG has been pretty solid about components so far...

22 minutes ago, mazz0 said:

Oh right, I thought people meant savings for the customers.

I think that’s bad reasoning. Producing an inferior product for what must be small efficiency savings seems dodgy. Have they said it’s for cost savings or are people making that inference?

I'm making that inference. I could be wrong.

Per item it probably is a miniscule, barely measureable efficiency saving. However, think of the packing standardisation, which means fewer kinds of packing boxes and easier loading. Consider the difficulty of guaranteeing supplies of three different sizes of card rather than one. You need three different size cutting machines, not one. Three different laminating machines. Different conveyor belt sizes to move them around. If it is a cost saving, then Asmodee will have worked out that it's worth doing because you don't fanny around with your supply chain for no reason.

Another idea which occurred is that they could be planning to offer print-on-demand cards from their website, in which case they'd want the printing done in the US and shipped out, so it would reduce the setup costs for a print-on-demand service if there's a single card size.

23 minutes ago, geek19 said:

Are we sure it's an inferior product? FFG has been pretty solid about components so far...

A bazillion VSD antennae howl out in pain and fear and are suddenly silenced...

8 hours ago, Muelmuel said:

I believe the word font is the same size though...

Is it? I hope not, looking at the mini card I typically have to uses something to increase the text. On standard size Cards I typically don’t need the “assistance” lol. To my knowledge we don’t have any physical cards out in the current format yet, correct? Other than the 3 ship card I mean. I did manage to get the new format SD and corvette and that could be the same size font as the tarot size cards. That’s more of a layout thing, looks very busy not a fan.

13 hours ago, mazz0 said:

You’ll be content with some large upgrades and some small ones?! Jeez, no way I could live like that!

Yea I dont need the duplicates so u spend the money when I could put it towards my 4th munificent? Also I'm assuming the new ships will have a few copies of old upgrades in the new format. My plan is to just use the smaller upgrades whenever possible and only use the big ones if I have to

17 hours ago, Mad Cat said:

I wonder if all these upgrade cards will have their errata included in the wording? such as...

TRCs - Exhaust
Avenger - Exhaust
Rieekan - Once per turn
Galant Haven - To a min of 1
.

Looks like they are updating all the cards with errata wording and one or two new rules so I may buy the card upgrade pack after all.

4 hours ago, geek19 said:

Are we sure it's an inferior product? FFG has been pretty solid about components so far...

Having gone through the same transition in X-Wing I’m pretty sure, but that’s just my opinion of course. It takes up almost twice the space to do the same job, or you overlap cards, making considerably more hassle, either way it’s a downgraded experience.

3 hours ago, miridor said:

Is it? I hope not, looking at the mini card I typically have to uses something to increase the text. On standard size Cards I typically don’t need the “assistance” lol. To my knowledge we don’t have any physical cards out in the current format yet, correct? Other than the 3 ship card I mean. I did manage to get the new format SD and corvette and that could be the same size font as the tarot size cards. That’s more of a layout thing, looks very busy not a fan.

If you compare the text size of the current Mini-American size upgrade cards to the Squadron cards, the body text font is virtually identical. The font size doesn't scale up on Squadron cards for those standard size cards. I think the same is true for the new upsized Upgrade Cards: The card is larger but the font size is basically the same. So it doesn't appear that the new upgrade cards will be any easier to read, which is an unfortunate choice, because even people without visual impairment can have difficulty reading the text on the upgrade cards.

21 hours ago, Revan Reborn said:

I'd genuinely like to know why FFG decided to change the card sizes, because it seems completely unnecessary and is really inconvenient for existing Armada players.

Likely either production cost (eliminating a size of card means their production facilities can be more standardized and they don't need to offer product support like sleeves/binders for the rare sizes--X-Wing eliminated the small sizes and I don't think Legion or any of their new boardgames use small sizes either) and/or mechanics (game designers have more space to utilize when designing cards/abilities).

1 hour ago, Mad Cat said:

Looks like they are updating all the cards with errata wording and one or two new rules so I may buy the card upgrade pack after all.

Only one? That actually wouldn't be too bad, as someone who endured the X-Wing 2.0 Conversion. When X-Wing converted to 2.0, a lot of people had to buy multiple conversion kits for each faction they owned, depending on how large their collection was and the sort of lists they wanted to be able to build. Do we know how many of each upgrade card will appear in the Upgrade Pack for Armada? We might see people buying multiple upgrade packs to "update" their collections (e.g. what if there are only 2-3 copies of TRC or External Racks in the pack?)

I'm also curious... how many starter packs do people think will be required to fly a 400pt Separatist or Republic fleet? Did they say how long it would be until additional individual ship expansion packs would be out for Republic/Separatists?

5 minutes ago, EBerling said:

Did they say how long it would be until additional individual ship expansion packs would be out for Republic/Separatists?

They said Wave 10 will be out in January.

I would totally buy the upgrade card pack, if nothing else, then for the erratas. But I really dislike the size change. Sure the graphics look nicer and there is enough space for all the pictograms and keywords, bu imagine how your fully kitted SSD will look with all those cards... Standard size is just too big in my opinion. Especially because it seems that the texts didn't get bigger.