9 hours ago, Shadowhawk252 said:

Did they announce fo, resistance and scum factions for legion? If they haven’t announced it, expect maybe a scum faction, but without a lot of creative freedom to just make up stuff there isn’t much for them to build a fo or resistance army.

They said they had originally planned to release sequel faction fairly soon after CW factions, but eventually changed the plan. Everyone just assumes it will happen eventually. They've also been given tons of creative freedom to create stuff in the past, so I don't see making stuff up for sequel factions being an issue.

2 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Personally, I think CW factions should be at least in a similar state to GCW factions when CW was announced before any new faction announcements.

So iirc, around 5 leaders, 2 operatives, 3 corps, 3.5 special forces (strike team I'm counting as half), 3 support, and 2 heavy per faction.

Right now, including announcements and leaks, CW has: 3 leaders, 1 operative, 2 corps, 1.5 Special Forces, 2 support, and 1 heavy. That's a fair ways to go still when you account for GCW releases slowing things down.

It is possibly FFG could bring out another faction sooner, but personally I doubt it.

I wouldn't count announcements as with the current state of ffg/asmodee we might not see some of this stuff for 4-6 months

2 hours ago, Tirion said:

I wouldn't count announcements as with the current state of ffg/asmodee we might not see some of this stuff for 4-6 months

Agreed. Given the current rate of releases, combined with the CW stuff being spaced out by new GCW releases, I wouldn't expect a new faction announcement until next year at the earliest.

4 hours ago, arnoldrew said:

They said they had originally planned to release sequel faction fairly soon after CW factions, but eventually changed the plan. Everyone just assumes it will happen eventually. They've also been given tons of creative freedom to create stuff in the past, so I don't see making stuff up for sequel factions being an issue.

When? I don't recall FFG EVER saying anything officially or unofficially about making stuff for the sequels...

1 minute ago, Caimheul1313 said:

When? I don't recall FFG EVER saying anything officially or unofficially about making stuff for the sequels...

Months ago. Possibly closer to a year. It probably wasn't that long after Clone Wars Legion came out. I'm pretty sure it was in the same conversations about Operative Luke and Vader being a direct request from Disney/LFL.

29 minutes ago, arnoldrew said:

Months ago. Possibly closer to a year. It probably wasn't that long after Clone Wars Legion came out. I'm pretty sure it was in the same conversations about Operative Luke and Vader being a direct request from Disney/LFL.

Okay, I'll take your word for it, but I don't recall anything about it at all. Plus I would have expected someone to have pointed to the timestamp/post/email in past discussions regarding sequel stuff being added.

12 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Okay, I'll take your word for it, but I don't recall anything about it at all. Plus I would have expected someone to have pointed to the timestamp/post/email in past discussions regarding sequel stuff being added.

It was from the Andrew Navarro AMA last year. I cant pull up the video right now/find the time stamp. But if I remember right he said that they had planned to do FO and resistance for legion but then plans changed and they did clone wars instead

6 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

8 hours ago, ScummyRebel said:

No, there have been no announcements. The entire thread is wishlist and/or speculation.

I also find scum more likely than sequel trilogy factions, however I don’t think we are remotely ready for the scum faction. The GAR has only one corps choice (P2s don’t count when they’re rare as hen’s teeth and their release was an entire disaster), the droids aren’t much better off. The first SF option for prequels is not yet out, etc.

Let the CW factions breathe for a second before cutting them off with another faction. CW factions should have 2x SF, 2x corps in circulation, 2-3x support, plus the specialists pack and another hero or two before we talk more factions.

Personally, I think CW factions should be at least in a similar state to GCW factions when CW was announced before any new faction announcements.

So iirc, around 5 leaders, 2 operatives, 3 corps, 3.5 special forces (strike team I'm counting as half), 3 support, and 2 heavy per faction.

Right now, including announcements and leaks, CW has: 3 leaders, 1 operative, 2 corps, 1.5 Special Forces, 2 support, and 1 heavy. That's a fair ways to go still when you account for GCW releases slowing things down.

It is possibly FFG could bring out another faction sooner, but personally I doubt it.

Ya there was a solid year and a half of GWC stuff before they released the CW. https://starwarslegion.fandom.com/wiki/Products#Q1_2018 . Of course now they are doing a solid 6 units a quarter (not counting the two for GCW) when before they rotated between 6 and 4. So pre-covid the new faction(s) could most likely fit anywhere between Q2 to Q4 of next year......................... Of course that does not count FFG mistakes, strange releases (will never understand trooper expansion after CW core), or what Disney commands.

That is what makes the reveal at the end of the month so important for Legion (as well to a lesser extent for Armada and X-wing):

• Did we lose a quarter to covid or will they try to squeeze everything in a single month?
• Will they follow the release patter like they been doing or will the switch it up? This pretty much would allow us to predict every wave at least by unit type.
• How much will FFG reuse the same sculpts across faction? Wookies, Papa Palp, Maul, mandos, and several bounty hunters can all be reused in Scum and the ST.

As for what comes next? I really think that is a complete unknown. At best I think Scum would offer more flexibility with releases and would be better if FFG wants to rush another faction out. While ST would be better if FFG wants to keep the same formula while reusing a lot of their sculpts.

5 hours ago, arnoldrew said:

14 hours ago, Shadowhawk252 said:

Did they announce fo, resistance and scum factions for legion? If they haven’t announced it, expect maybe a scum faction, but without a lot of creative freedom to just make up stuff there isn’t much for them to build a fo or resistance army.

They said they had originally planned to release sequel faction fairly soon after CW factions, but eventually changed the plan. Everyone just assumes it will happen eventually. They've also been given tons of creative freedom to create stuff in the past, so I don't see making stuff up for sequel factions being an issue

Holy crap!! I do remember something like that. Only because they had some trolls going around saying they cancelled the ST for Legion since FFG thought nobody would buy them or something like that. Dang.....

As for units I don't think that would be a problem anymore. Between the three movies, battlefront 2, and other media they have a good chunk of both factions. Especially compared to Rebels who get a lot of their units from other souces. Core troopers, wookies, atrt, and landspeeder ands come from just the games.

6 hours ago, RyantheFett said:

Holy crap!! I do remember something like that. Only because they had some trolls going around saying they cancelled the ST for Legion since FFG thought nobody would buy them or something like that. Dang.....

As for units I don't think that would be a problem anymore. Between the three movies, battlefront 2, and other media they have a good chunk of both factions. Especially compared to Rebels who get a lot of their units from other souces. Core troopers, wookies, atrt, and landspeeder ands come from just the games.

I'm fairly certain it was said in the video that they were originally going to do ST factions but ended up instead choosing to do the PT ones instead. That said I think LFL has no plans to do anything with the ST anytime soon, all of their announced projects are OT focused, pre or post the films, or PT focused with a big bit of focus going to launching the High Republic. It was likely a good call for FFG since if those factions wouldn't be getting any Comics, Video Games, Film, Show, etc projects to add to them they don't really have all that much they could get. Sure they'd get enough to fill a decent initial list but not much else.

I think the below is about all I could think for them and at that point they'd be completely tapped out.

Resistance:

Commanders:

- Poe Dameron

- Finn

- Rose Tico

- Generic Commander

- General Leia

Operatives:

- Rey, Scavenger

- Rey, Jedi

- BB-8

- C-3PO

- Han Solo, Aged Smuggler

- Chewbacca

- Luke, Hero Reborn/Apparition (TLJ)

- Kaz + CB-23 (Resistance)

- Vi Moradi (Star Wars Galaxy's Edge, Phasma book)

Corps:

- Resistance Troopers (TFA/TRoS + Battlefront 2)

- Resistance Defenders (TLJ)

Special Forces:

- Resistance Pilots/Black Squadron (Resistance/Poe Dameron comic, Special Forces + Unique unit similar to Inferno Squad/Clan Wren)

- Resistance Jet Troopers (Battlefront 2)

- Wookie Warriors (Rebel repeat)

Support:

- Orbak Riders (TRoS)

Heavy:

- V-4X-D Ski Speeder (TLJ)

- Stolen FO AT-ST (Battlefront 2)

3 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

I'm fairly certain it was said in the video that they were originally going to do ST factions but ended up instead choosing to do the PT ones instead. That said I think LFL has no plans to do anything with the ST anytime soon, all of their announced projects are OT focused, pre or post the films, or PT focused with a big bit of focus going to launching the High Republic. It was likely a good call for FFG since if those factions wouldn't be getting any Comics, Video Games, Film, Show, etc projects to add to them they don't really have all that much they could get. Sure they'd get enough to fill a decent initial list but not much else.

I think the below is about all I could think for them and at that point they'd be completely tapped out.

Oh crap you are right about the vid!! It will be interesting to see where Disney will go next with Star Wars since they don't really seem to have that much we know about (covid could be the cause of that). I have been hearing a lot of rumors about the sequel to Rebels and Mando season 2, but besides that not much. The High Republic stuff also is targeting a younger audience (iirc) so it will be interesting to see how much we will get out of that era. I also fear that you are correct and they are running away from the ST.......

As for units I think they have a decent amount of options (love that you put Black Squadron in there!) , but it is hard to say since the game is still relatively new. Would think a few other factions may have some issues in the future as well, but FFG have been allowed to crate a few things already so who knows????

A few I thought up or found:

Commander/Operative:

• Janna
• Lando
• maybe Zorii depends on how much Scum they want to mix in

Corps:

• Like the Craite defender since they really make a point that used everybody for that battle. Figure that could be a crap unit that could repair since the mechanics fought on the front line?
• Company 77 or First Order defectors from 9 . Go well with Janna and Orbak riders.

• 9 got Resistance jungle troopers......... which only look a bit different from 7 and 8 lol

Sp ec ial Forces:

• Inferno/Dross squadron from battlefront 2/Rise of the Resistance book with Shriv, Zay, and DIO
• Would really think something with spies/droids would fit in here since so many plots and Resistance heroes involve espionage. 3PO is the Resistance spymaster and has an entire droid network (got his own comic to explain that and his Punished Snake arm)
• Colossus Resistance Cell??? Need to go and re watch the show since I skipped a lot of episodes and do not remember the security forces on the ship (think it was droids tho?).

Support:

• V-232 artillery from Craite which based off of Battlefront 2 is not that big............ may still be a better heavy.

• Unnamed Resistance turret in Battlefront 2 that looks like an upgraded FD turrent

• Rey's speeder or generic Resistance speeder from 7 visual guide

Heavy:

• Skimmers from 9 would be cool since they would be full of custom options and give Resistance an open transport unit
• Think the V-120 from Criate is way too big even for a heavy.

46 minutes ago, RyantheFett said:

Oh crap you are right about the vid!! It will be interesting to see where Disney will go next with Star Wars since they don't really seem to have that much we know about (covid could be the cause of that). I have been hearing a lot of rumors about the sequel to Rebels and Mando season 2, but besides that not much. The High Republic stuff also is targeting a younger audience (iirc) so it will be interesting to see how much we will get out of that era. I also fear that you are correct and they are running away from the ST.......

The ST, and its reception has caused the brand to lose value with much of the merchandise just not selling well at all. Hasbro specifically called it out the Star Wars line as not doing well. As for everything going on we have Squadrons (post OT), Fallen Order 2 (in between PT and OT), the Cassian Andor series (in between PT and OT) the Obi-Wan series (in between PT and OT), Mandalorian (post OT), Marvel comics (OT via Star Wars, Vader, and Aphra), another comic studio doing Clone Wars comics, and various books set during the PT or OT.

Then we have rumored stuff like an Ahsoka show, a Rebels sequel, Clone Wars spin off, etc which are all again very focused on secure Star Wars markets that make money. Considering that Clone Wars' final season was one of the most watched things this year I'd expect to see more stuff set there and/or focused on Ahsoka.

To be fair High Republic isn't aimed at just younger audiences, last I checked anyways, it will just be a setting explored in various books and comics that tie into each other. And of course if it does well they might try to spin them off into films or do films set in that era.

46 minutes ago, RyantheFett said:

As for units I think they have a decent amount of options (love that you put Black Squadron in there!) , but it is hard to say since the game is still relatively new. Would think a few other factions may have some issues in the future as well, but FFG have been allowed to crate a few things already so who knows????

The Wookiepedia entry on the Resistance's forces make note of how their pilots had to take up arms so it would make sense that they would do a Resistance pilot set and then if you are doing that might as well focus on the Black Squadron pilots since they would make pretty good unique heavy weapons minis.

Scum is likely the most secure next faction I'd figure, there is plenty in the past they could pull from via the PT and OT and between Mandalorian's success and that they specifically called out bringing stuff from that show into the game it would make sense they do something with Scum. It would also likely be the best faction to play with the idea of Sub-factions, and the devs have talked a bit about doing stuff with Sub-factions for a while.

46 minutes ago, RyantheFett said:

Commander/Operative:

• Janna
• Lando
• maybe Zorii depends on how much Scum they want to mix in

Janna I guess would make sense, I guess one interesting thing they could do with her would be to give you the option of running her as a standard trooper or as a cavalry based commander, sort of similar to what they did for their Rune Wars commanders game. Lando I am a little less sold on, since he didn't really do much other than arrow a guy and come with the large fleet at the end, but if they needed another character/wanted to include characters like Admiral Ackbar for Rebels I guess it would make sense. On the plus side if we got him we'd get Lando with his cool Bespin cane. Zorii if she was inthe game would likely be Resistance, and I guess if they really wanted they could toss Babu Frik in as a counterpart mini that gives her Repair.

46 minutes ago, RyantheFett said:

Corps:

• Like the Craite defender since they really make a point that used everybody for that battle. Figure that could be a crap unit that could repair since the mechanics fought on the front line?
• Company 77 or First Order defectors from 9 . Go well with Janna and Orbak riders.
• 9 got Resistance jungle troopers......... which only look a bit different from 7 and 8 lol

Corps units are hard, like Resistance has it REALLY hard with them. The Rebels at least have the films giving standout moment to the troops that make them pop to mind, Rebel Troopers (Battle of Endor), Fleet Troopers (Battle aboard the Tantive IV), Rebel Veterans (Battle of Hoth) whereas the Resistance will be leaning hard on basically Battlefront 2. The Resistance Defenders unit was my reference to those seen on the Battle of Crait, I doubt they would by themselves get the Repair ability though, likely something defense focused. Company 77/First Order defectors is a less standout unit that sort of just melds into the Orbak riders/Resistance forces attacking the Star Destroyer. Resistance Jungle Troopers would still suffer from the same issues as Company 77, the Resistance just really doesn't have units that get that one big 'scene' to make them pop unlike the variety of Clone variants, Stormtroopers, or Rebels.

I honestly feel if we got the Resistance it would very much be a redux of Rebel type stuff, maybe they go more glass cannon for their generic troopers, and would focus heavily on their commanders and operatives to do most of the heavy lifting. Maybe they just have some cheap commander options that are mostly situated in the 90 to 115 range while Rey is their only real big hitter.

46 minutes ago, RyantheFett said:

Sp ec ial Forces:

• Inferno/Dross squadron from battlefront 2/Rise of the Resistance book with Shriv, Zay, and DIO
• Would really think something with spies/droids would fit in here since so many plots and Resistance heroes involve espionage. 3PO is the Resistance spymaster and has an entire droid network (got his own comic to explain that and his Punished Snake arm)
• Colossus Resistance Cell??? Need to go and re watch the show since I skipped a lot of episodes and do not remember the security forces on the ship (think it was droids tho?).

I guess they could do Inferno squadron, or I guess squad since it is only like 3-4 people by the time of TFA. Not sure about the spies, that seems more like the sort of thing that you'd get out of an operative like BB-8 or CB-23. Ideally FFG would want to put out units that anyone can go 'Oh I remember that thing! They were cool, I want to play them!' Pretty sure the Colossus Cell, would maybe just fit into a corps unit, they aren't really all that trained. I figure it would mostly just be a mix of the pirates/pilots.

46 minutes ago, RyantheFett said:

Support:

• V-232 artillery from Craite which based off of Battlefront 2 is not that big............ may still be a better heavy.
• Unnamed Resistance turret in Battlefront 2 that looks like an upgraded FD turrent
• Rey's speeder or generic Resistance speeder from 7 visual guide

I think the artillary gun would be too big and I'm not sure how an expensive heavy emplacement might go since it would be deployed and not able to move. I figure it would get a good bit of range but it might be something that is too expensive or run into the same type issues the Rebel emplacement gun had until they fixed its range to make it better. The Resistance turret looks to be the same as the Rebel one so that would just be a reprint mostly with new trooper sculpts. I thought about listing the speeder actually in my original post but considering I think it is just something in the background I'm not sure it would really stand out that much, but I guess if they wanted to put out another sort of X-34 type thing where they up gun it and have it do a similar role it could do that.

46 minutes ago, RyantheFett said:

Heavy:

• Skimmers from 9 would be cool since they would be full of custom options and give Resistance an open transport unit
• Think the V-120 from Criate is way too big even for a heavy.

The Skimmers would not be my first choice but if Scum is added and gets the Desert Skiff it would be in line with that. And the emplacement is likely too big for a Heavy, granted clone Wars vehicles will be big too but it still suffers from being a locked emplacement I feel.

Resistance has lots of issues keeping it from being launched as its own thing, but I guess maybe something they could do would be to make the Resistance as a sub-faction for Rebels, and have it where they can basically take generic units from Rebels and then they mix that with a few Resistance specific units and new commanders and operatives? I think the FO has a better chance of being introduced, and that is just due to them having more armor types that can be slotted in for various units but they suffer the same issue as the CIS in having not really that many commander/operative options.

5 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

I think the FO has a better chance of being introduced, and that is just due to them having more armor types that can be slotted in for various units but they suffer the same issue as the CIS in having not really that many commander/operative options.

The CIS have far more choices than FO.

Trench, Nute Gunray, Wat, Jango (operative), Asajj, Kraken, generic tag droid commander, Vizla (operative and era dependent, but seeing Maul is an operative we can infer they could go there), and already I’ve named more candidates than the FO really have. And I know there are more.

5 hours ago, ScummyRebel said:

The CIS have far more choices than FO.

Trench, Nute Gunray, Wat, Jango (operative), Asajj, Kraken, generic tag droid commander, Vizla (operative and era dependent, but seeing Maul is an operative we can infer they could go there), and already I’ve named more candidates than the FO really have. And I know there are more.

I'm not arguing that the CIS doesn't have more options, just that both have limited options for their commanders/operatives comparatively.

FO would have I think Kylo Ren, Phasma, General Hux, Commander Pyre (Resistance), Agent Tierny (Resistance), Archex/Cardinal (Books), Pryde (TRoS), Agent Terex (Comics), Gideon Hask (Battlefront 2), various Knights of Ren, Commander Malarus (comics), and Bazine Netal (TFA). Those are most of the options I can think of so like 12+ options to fit into Commander and Operative slots.