One last poll before pointsmas.

https://strawpoll.com/drh8eu28e

Depends: If they give us torrents back I’m ok with it staying out. If we also don’t get our torrents I at least want some variety.

So long as they swap out CLT, and keep the pilot count low, eh, why not. I think CLT is a better design, but spice of life and all...

1 hour ago, theBitterFig said:

So long as they swap out CLT, and keep the pilot count low , eh, why not.

Consider for a moment: CLT out, 7B in, but there are no Init 5-6 Jedi in HS, only the Init 3-4 Jedi. I think that'd have potential to be pretty interesting.

Nah, just give us (names-only) torrents.

Add 7B but take out regen

9 minutes ago, battlestarbill said:

Add 7B but take out regen

This. Bring it back, but take R2 Astromech out.

1 hour ago, ClassicalMoser said:

Nah, just give us (names-only) torrents.

Generic 👏 Torrents 👏 Did 👏 Nothing 👏 Wrong 👏

I’m fine sacrificing regen for 7b, but I really want my torrents.

4 hours ago, theBitterFig said:

Consider for a moment: CLT out, 7B in, but there are no Init 5-6 Jedi in HS, only the Init 3-4 Jedi. I think that'd have potential to be pretty interesting.

I think that, whilst interesting would create a “Hello There” riot. So many people on the high ground.

1 hour ago, Kyle Ren said:

Generic 👏 Torrents 👏 Did 👏 Nothing 👏 Wrong 👏

Obi with sense and a couple of blocking Generic Torrents.... not fun at all.

1 hour ago, Kyle Ren said:

Generic 👏 Torrents 👏 Did 👏 Nothing 👏 Wrong 👏

I think they did do some stuff wrong, but like, TIE/fo and Scyks have about the same toughness for the same 25 points, so...

the joke is, 7b is in, but the delta7 pilots are not.

would be funny.

1 hour ago, Archangelspiv said:

Obi with sense and a couple of blocking Generic Torrents.... not fun at all.

Kinda sounds like an Obi problem to me

1 hour ago, Kyle Ren said:

Kinda sounds like an Obi problem to me

Could be any force 2+ pilot.

Sense too cheap?

6 hours ago, S4ul0 said:

Sense too cheap?

Likely.

13 hours ago, battlestarbill said:

Add 7B but take out regen

I'm fine jumping on the bring 7b back train, but remove Regen. Keep C1-10P out, as well, unless you make him 10 points. Actionless jam is really good.

Stress-less double reposition is almost impossible to cost correctly. Even more problematic on a three red die ship. 7B Anakin, Obi (and Plo, Mace too for that matter) are very dangerous ships when it comes to balance.

I sort-of, almost, nearly enjoy CLT Jedi. I kind of want to forget that 7B exists. Give it the Luke Gunner/ SNR treatment. Soft ban via ludicrously high price point.

7 hours ago, S4ul0 said:

Sense too cheap?

Yeah.

To be fair, it's too expensive if the player doesn't know how to use it effectively, but wicked strong and too cheap if they do. With practice, Sense can be leveraged to a value far more than it's 5 points.

Whenever I've used Sense, I don't think it's hyperbolic to say 90+% of the time it didn't do anything useful. It either confirmed a maneuver I already guessed or revealed a maneuver that was inconsequential.

Feel like Sense could use a little bump, maybe to 7 or so.

Feel like force should cost more or get a nerf to its basic effect.

Feelings don't really matter though.

15 hours ago, Kyle Ren said:

Generic 👏 Torrents 👏 Did 👏 Nothing 👏 Wrong 👏

Oh I absolutely agree.

I just think a Hyperspace season full of named torrents would be enormously entertaining. I need some named-clone action in my life (beyond just Wolffe and Sinker). In that context I'm curious who would shine? Tucker's decent on a budget. With a missile cost-cut I feel like Odd Ball could almost be good (V-19 is his best existing platform IMO). Kickback is kinda okay but also overpriced. Swoop is just so pathetic though.

10 minutes ago, ClassicalMoser said:

I just think a Hyperspace season full of named torrents would be enormously entertaining.

I mainly think FFG dropped the Torrent (and the Belbullab) because they believed that Wave 7 was going to come out and fill the fifth ship for the faction.

But on the note of named Torrents, I think largely they should drop. The utility the get out of their initiative/ability doesn't seem worth the 4-9 points they pay for them.

9 minutes ago, 5050Saint said:

But on the note of named Torrents, I think largely they should drop. The utility the get out of their initiative/ability doesn't seem worth the 4-9 points they pay for them.

Oh I do agree. Back when I was doing statistical cost-modeling they always came down by a large amount. But points changed or not I'd like to see them played.

TBH at the right cost I think Odd Ball with SC and a missile would be a sweet little pocket ace. There's just no case to make him a real ace or to price him like one.

20 minutes ago, 5050Saint said:

But on the note of named Torrents, I think largely they should drop. The utility the get out of their initiative/ability doesn't seem worth the 4-9 points they pay for them.

Agreed though Swoop should be the same as BSP as the faint whiff of benefit he gets from his ability is nullified by the fact he can't take dedicated. At least Axe's ability might be useful once in a great while. But not a five point bump more useful.

Add Anakin back; keep 7B extended

14 hours ago, gennataos said:

Whenever I've used Sense, I don't think it's hyperbolic to say 90+% of the time it didn't do anything useful. It either confirmed a maneuver I already guessed or revealed a maneuver that was inconsequential.

Sense means you know where the enemy ship will be. As you rightly said it confirms what you thought. But what it also does in the hands of a skilled player, it tells them whether they need to barrel roll to block, or if they are fine where their blocker lands. All the while their generally 2 7b’s take up firing positions ready to unleash die on a token less ship. I don’t need to tell anyone how good relying on Green die makes you feel.
you don’t even need to spend force if it’s range 1. Sense is too cheap and too powerful in a scaling ruler of player skill.