...just spoiled... In a Stark NW deck with at least Steward Agenda seems very good to me... if I understood well the card it takes also benefits from opponent agenda the North... am I right???

The card seems to imply that (gains the benefit of all North agendas), but the wording of each North Agenda ("your...") seems to preclude it. It would be nice to know, however.

Please post a link to spoiler

My understanding is that this gains the opponent's agenda benefits too. The agendas specify "your," meaning they award the benefit to *your* characters. Cold Hands then goes further to say that it, too, benefits. (Perhaps Ktom can provide a more technical explanation though...this is sort of the "layman's version.")

My reading of Coldhands' text implies that he gains the benefit of all The North Agendas. His text granting him the benefit bypasses the Agenda's "natural" play restriction of "your." It might be better to send it to Nate to be sure, but that's my take: his play restrictions outweigh the Agenda's play restrictions.

I'm more worried about neutral 4 strength CBK characters returning to the environment than I am about him benefiting from my opponents agendas. Too many CBK NPE's from Winter block. Hopefully this doesn't signal an influx of CBK into the LCG environment.

he's reprint from winter block or?

No, but during winter block there were quite a few CBK characters and events that almost neutralized the Military challenge.

Valar neuters the military challenge.:-P

Hmm, it is interesting that he can take attachments.

Dobbler said:

Balancing him nicely. I think he is a strong, playable, balanced card at this time - and nuetral which a few houses need some more Valar protection than Bodyguard and dupes.

Dobbler said:

I saw that too. Even if there are no North Agenda's being played, wait until your opponent makes his military challenge, then a Rusted Sword on him. Use him to defend, or wait a little longer so you have your own 6 STR cbk character on the board. And he might just draw that Milk away from your more important character...

ktom said:

I don't think so... In the news article there is a sentence that seems to preclude the possibility to gain benefit from opponent The North Agenda: " Slightly more interesting than Coldhands' invulnerability is the fact that for the purposes of The North agendas, he is both a Wildling and Night's Watch. Not that anyone would willingly take on the burden of trying to win an additional twelve power by trying to run all of the new The North agendas, just to make Coldhands completely awesome but if you are already playing a combination Wildlings / Night's Watch deck with a mix of agendas, it would be nice to have an unkillable character benefitting from all of them. "

The article only speaks about "you" (the controller of Cold Hand). No opponent's The North agenda are mentioned.

But it's better to ask Nate.

I think it takes benefits from all agendas also by a nedly point of view... in my mind Coldhands is something "above players, above houses, above all" in the North... but it is better to have confirmation... :-)

Just to clarify, I asked nate and he says that Coldhands does indeed get the benefits of every north agenda in play. Not just your own.

huh... multiplayer?

leads to some sad martell orphans.

But that +1 STR agenda... dear god.

So, does this card put Milk over the edge into "must play"?

I have historically never liked Milk (wait...I pay 1 gold and a card...and you still get to use the character for challenges?!?), but there are a few character combos now that I think might change my mind.

Thoughts?

rings said:

Rings, in the past, I actually agree. I never played with Milk of the Poppy for the reasons you mention (and a few more). However, I'm still not sure I play it. Coldhands is definitely strong. But I'm not sure he drives me to play Milk. Perhaps I just haven't messed around with the idea of him enough yet.

Yesterday when playing a game against Josh I found another fun purpose with HIS Coldhands: I put Head of a Dwarf on him. So all Josh's power got funneled to Coldhands until it got to the point in the game I was ready to steal him with MwnK. Obviously MwnK isn't the only way to deal with him (although highly effective). Pinch of Powder, Game of Cyvasse, Fury plots (depending on the matchup), Marched to the Wall, etc, etc.

Screw that **** MwNK! The sad thing is is that I almost one. And I needed 27 power! lol I'm pretty sure I got up over 20. That King's Landing Robert is looking better and better everyday!

Dobbler said:

Nightmares.....

I was thinking Nightmares as well...but that card always sounded better in theory than I saw work in actuality.

Thanks for the input. I am still on the fence as well...

rings said:

I've had good luck running 3x MIlk in a lot of my decks recently. Nice to have the option for cards like Coldhands, but more often I see the Milks ending up on my own chars. Blanking the passives on GJ cards like Ancient Mariner has enabled me to get some rather powerful low-cost cards running