Hey Everybody,

I have been mainly doing Hyperspace lists atm so this is new to me... But I love the Silencer and am enjoying the /ba. Then I went to make an extended list, using Holo as the start point. For 61 points with the 2 upgrades, you essentially get PTL after doing Hard manoeuvres. With the added bonus of Holo handing off his stress to repeat again. Is it just 4K to Victory FO style?

I guess I was after people’s thoughts and opinions on whether they had come across this recently and how they feel about it.

2 hours ago, Archangelspiv said:

Hey Everybody,

I have been mainly doing Hyperspace lists atm so this is new to me... But I love the Silencer and am enjoying the /ba. Then I went to make an extended list, using Holo as the start point. For 61 points with the 2 upgrades, you essentially get PTL after doing Hard manoeuvres. With the added bonus of Holo handing off his stress to repeat again. Is it just 4K to Victory FO style?

I guess I was after people’s thoughts and opinions on whether they had come across this recently and how they feel about it.

It's a neat trick, and sure, Holo passing of stress to something that doesn't want to turn around that round has uses. Midnight and Quickdraw can get good use of it I think. I've not tested it beyond Aces high though.

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Is it just 4K to Victory FO style?

I think not, you need to make sure other ships are always in position and the red moves are not always the best moves. could pair well with other BA's though, the hard ones men the can shred Holo's stress and Holo can just go wide often.

1 hour ago, Sk3tch said:

Midnight and Quickdraw can get good use of it I think.

Why? I don't see this guys better with the new talent (Midnight is still bad and the TIE/sf hasn't got a lot of blues)

Holo is great, but needs more ships in the squad. Muse is no brain too.

The TIE/FO is a good platform, but I think Fanatical is more powerful.

15 minutes ago, S4ul0 said:

TIE/sf hasn't got a lot of blues)

maybe add Muse to the mix, to lose the stress?

This combo comes at 7p, so kinda like PTL back in 1.0

But to get most of it, you would almost do red maneuvers, and that makes you predictable, right?

This is what I’m looking at.

1st Draft

New Squadron

(30) "Muse" [TIE/fo Fighter]
(2) Fanatical
Points: 32

(54) "Holo" [TIE/ba Interceptor]
(2) Proud Tradition
(5) Pattern Analyzer
Points: 61

(57) Major Vonreg [TIE/ba Interceptor]
(2) Proud Tradition
(5) Pattern Analyzer
Points: 64

(32) Zeta Squadron Survivor [TIE/sf Fighter]
(2) Fire-Control System
(4) Advanced Optics
Points: 38

Total points: 195

12 minutes ago, Archangelspiv said:

This is what I’m looking at.

1st Draft

New Squadron

(30) "Muse" [TIE/fo Fighter]
(2) Fanatical
Points: 32

(54) "Holo" [TIE/ba Interceptor]
(2) Proud Tradition
(5) Pattern Analyzer
Points: 61

(57) Major Vonreg [TIE/ba Interceptor]
(2) Proud Tradition
(5) Pattern Analyzer
Points: 64

(32) Zeta Squadron Survivor [TIE/sf Fighter]
(2) Fire-Control System
(4) Advanced Optics
Points: 38

Total points: 195

FCS + Optics doesn't seem worth it, they clash over the 1 action you get.

I guess the trick works with Vonreg, but I don't know that it's worth it.

Whenever I see Muse, I kinda want to staple on Proud Tradition, since that combo just works so naturally (but not so much adding Passive Sensors, the cost seems too high for a TIE/fo).

4 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

FCS + Optics doesn't seem worth it, they clash over the 1 action you get.

I guess the trick works with Vonreg, but I don't know that it's worth it.

Whenever I see Muse, I kinda want to staple on Proud Tradition, since that combo just works so naturally (but not so much adding Passive Sensors, the cost seems too high for a TIE/fo).

You're right, I was just playing around with points and FCS is gone. Tried the list on Fly Casual, I only ever focused with the Zeta, so is a waste of points. I put Fantaical on Muse because Between Muse and Holo I should be able to shift around the stress to not get Proud on my main hitters flipped. I found you could K Turn or Sloop at times where you wouldnt have normally and have double mods to boot.

I dont think I will put anything on in FCS' place and keep the list at 193 points.

On 6/22/2020 at 9:00 AM, Dragon_King said:

maybe add Muse to the mix, to lose the stress?

This combo comes at 7p, so kinda like PTL back in 1.0

But to get most of it, you would almost do red maneuvers, and that makes you predictable, right?

Tie sfs do have 7 blue manouvers.

52 minutes ago, Blademaster72 said:

Tie sfs do have 7 blue manouvers.

You want to get rid of the stress ASAP, though, so the opponent has no chance to flip Proud Tradition.

2 hours ago, DR4CO said:

You want to get rid of the stress ASAP, though, so the opponent has no chance to flip Proud Tradition.

Actually, you typically want to leave the stress on as long as possible, to trick the opponent into incorrectly taking a crit to flip PT.

2 hours ago, DR4CO said:

You want to get rid of the stress ASAP, though, so the opponent has no chance to flip Proud Tradition.

Let them eat a crit or spend focus to fill instead of using to defend or attack.

Yeah Defender Holo is pretty darn good. I’ve been playing it whenever I have to play extended this season and it’s seriously strong. Holo is one of the best three pilots in the faction even without this trick, but it’s definitely worth the 7 points.

On the list building front, I think the low ship counts and focus on abilities is overcomplicating the matter. First Order has access to a 25 point ship that has excellent blue moves and doesn’t mind taking a stress now and then, and you can fit five such ships into a list with Defender Holo.

11 hours ago, DR4CO said:

You want to get rid of the stress ASAP, though, so the opponent has no chance to flip Proud Tradition.

9 hours ago, Ablazoned said:

Actually, you typically want to leave the stress on as long as possible, to trick the opponent into incorrectly taking a crit to flip PT.

(reply to both)

I tend to think it'll depend on the ship.

On an Omega TIE/fo with no other upgrades, you'll be able to deal easily enough with the red focus, given this is a 30 point ship. It's a totally fair price to deal with, in exchange for a Crit.

If it were a TIE/sf with Pattern Analyzer, the price is starting to get up there, and it's a maybe.

Throw in also Special Forces gunner, and this would be a minimum 51 point ship, and red Focus really starts to hurt a lot more, and having that crit probably isn't enough compensation. However, without either Gunner or Missiles, Proud/PA TIE/sf probably doesn't pack enough punch for the points to justify it.

Proud/Optics SF might be good (front/rear arcs mean being only on blues is a lot less bad), but probably worse than just Crack Shot if that's in the format.

Maybe Vonreg could probably get by, since his bonus actions come before his red Focus, but I think it'd still be kinda frustrating, and I'd probably rather just build differently.