26 minutes ago, kenngp said:

OK, that's what I thought. From what I remember, he actually fought the CIS, or rather they fought him. Anything to make a buck I guess. Too bad they don't save him for a X-Wing Scum-esque faction. All hail the Mouse of greed!

It's episode 1 maul so Darth maul. All of this splitting hairs about him not being cis is silly to me. The trade federation faction in EP 1 was basically the birth of the cis. Saying he didn't work for them doesn't make a ton of sense to me

And basically all the units in CIS at present are Trade Federation anyways. You could easily have Maul, Battle droids, B2s, AATs, STAPS, Destroyer Droids and an Episode 1 army.

Given, the clones lack an "Episode 1" Army, but like, we are already fighting Rebels vs Clones, Empire vs CIS, Emperor fighting on front lines beside Krennic. Etc.

If someone wants Darth Maul and a "My army is pure Trade Federation" power to them.

1 hour ago, MajorSmexy said:

. If someone wants Darth Maul and a "My army is pure Trade Federation" power to them.

@Memorare Nute Gunray’s army right there!!

1 hour ago, krebeck said:

@Memorare Nute Gunray’s army right there!!

Nute Gunray will be the OP cheap CIS commander we need!

@Krebeck You had me at Nute Gunray.

He the obvious choice for a cheap commander. He the hero we need, but don't deserve.

On 7/1/2020 at 10:44 AM, arnoldrew said:

So he's worthless if he's not a Commander that takes less than 1/4 of your army?

lo wut?

Are we still talking about Iden?

19 hours ago, Thraug said:

lo wut?

I don't understand where the confusion lies. Did you read the posts I quoted that I was responding to in that entire chain?

Back to Iden. Complaint #1089 Why does her pip one give her Sharpshooter 2?! Honestly the things she gets is just the layer cake of silly design. Sharpshooter 2 on a 5 dice gun.....just...yeah.

17 minutes ago, Memorare said:

Back to Iden. Complaint #1089 Why does her pip one give her Sharpshooter 2?! Honestly the things she gets is just the layer cake of silly design. Sharpshooter 2 on a 5 dice gun.....just...yeah.

Truthfully, yeah. She already gets a free aim out of it, so what becomes the point of giving her offensive cover immunity on top of that? Sure, she can only target one unit for that turn (although the 1-pip does give her a standby too), but with that TL-50 Repeater, that's nearly a guaranteed dead unit right there if it's something that rolls white DEF.

1 hour ago, Cruzer said:

Truthfully, yeah. She already gets a free aim out of it, so what becomes the point of giving her offensive cover immunity on top of that? Sure, she can only target one unit for that turn (although the 1-pip does give her a standby too), but with that TL-50 Repeater, that's nearly a guaranteed dead unit right there if it's something that rolls white DEF.

Actually, with D10 at range 1, why can't you attack 2 units? Or just make sure a character is dead.

Those Clan Wren mandos must be amazing for Iden to be this good.

Or, its just thematic. Did you play the game (I didn't), she man-handles several units all through the game without a scratch.

11 minutes ago, buckero0 said:

Those Clan Wren mandos must be amazing dor Iden to be this good.

Lol don't give me hope like that (I lied, GIVE ME THAT HOPE!)

With this power creep, I'm now just holding out for Nute Gunray with his 10Red Dice attack with piece 5 and 9 wounds with a defensive surge on Red defence dice. All for the low low price of 50points.

9 hours ago, Memorare said:

Back to Iden. Complaint #1089 Why does her pip one give her Sharpshooter 2?! Honestly the things she gets is just the layer cake of silly design. Sharpshooter 2 on a 5 dice gun.....just...yeah.

Boba can do it on a much better dice pool with Pierce...

Poor Boba looks very sad compared to Iden. He's 40 points more expensive base and his cards are much much sadder.

Also is his pool better? Cards aside, 2 blacks at range 2, and 2 at range 3 vs 2 red 2 white 1 black at range three. Plus she has marksmen and access to aims (and dodges)

Honestly Boba is the poster boy for why Iden is ridiculously costed. Her decked up is basically the same cost as Boba fett, and she brings way way more to the party. She is better than our man in every single way. Well except he looks cooler.

I think everyone underestimates Boba's mobility and for some reason expects Boba to fight better. The only time I saw Boba fight well was in a video game Jedi Academy II i think and he still wasn't that tough to beat.

He's supposed to be more sneaky than tough. In the movies, he looks like he's 5'7 with the helmet on and he gets beat by a blind man. His command cards aren't bad, they just don't help the rest of the army, so they dont feel as good and need and upgrade for the Scum Merc faction.

Do i wish Boba was 130? Sure. Do i expect it anytime soon? No. If D-10 was 10pts more would you take that upgrade? And would Iden feel more balanced? Yes

1 hour ago, Memorare said:

Poor Boba looks very sad compared to Iden. He's 40 points more expensive base and his cards are much much sadder.

Also is his pool better? Cards aside, 2 blacks at range 2, and 2 at range 3 vs 2 red 2 white 1 black at range three. Plus she has marksmen and access to aims (and dodges)

Honestly Boba is the poster boy for why Iden is ridiculously costed. Her decked up is basically the same cost as Boba fett, and she brings way way more to the party. She is better than our man in every single way. Well except he looks cooler.

I think you're looking at this the wrong way. Iden puts out two less, and worse dice, than a unit of death troopers with dlt and weapon upgrades. And she costs 12 points more with gun and droid. Her command cards are good, but except for tatical strike they only benifit her. She's appropriately costed, I'd say you've made a good argument that boba is a little over costed.

See that is the thing about Legion right now with Iden/Boba comparison a good example. Something is a bit off with the units with either some being under costed or over costed (not sure which). And there is nothing wrong with a bit of power creep since the game is still not that old and they continue to get in the groove of things.

I know TTS is not the best judge of Legion since it on the computer, but it can at least offer some insight into what the meta will look like when we can play again in person..................... and things look a bit imbalanced. https://www.invaderleague.com/league/season-5/season-5-single-elimination

The thing is they need to address the issue instead of leaving us hanging. Because right now Legion seems to be repeating every mistake made by X-wing 1.0.........

14 minutes ago, RyantheFett said:

See that is the thing about Legion right now with Iden/Boba comparison a good example. Something is a bit off with the units with either some being under costed or over costed (not sure which). And there is nothing wrong with a bit of power creep since the game is still not that old and they continue to get in the groove of things.

I know TTS is not the best judge of Legion since it on the computer, but it can at least offer some insight into what the meta will look like when we can play again in person..................... and things look a bit imbalanced. https://www.invaderleague.com/league/season-5/season-5-single-elimination

The thing is they need to address the issue instead of leaving us hanging. Because right now Legion seems to be repeating every mistake made by X-wing 1.0.........

Boba looked overcosted when Sabine was spoiled

My concern about Iden has not diminished, but I have been consistently distracted by GAR token sharing and secret mission BS which IMO is a larger concern. Granted probably the best Iden list I've seen was Iden, Krennic, 2 Death Troopers, 2 Sniper Strike Teams, 2 Shores, and 2 Shore Mortars. Can confirm, was nasty.

10 hours ago, Memorare said:

Poor Boba looks very sad compared to Iden. He's 40 points more expensive base and his cards are much much sadder.

Also is his pool better? Cards aside, 2 blacks at range 2, and 2 at range 3 vs 2 red 2 white 1 black at range three. Plus she has marksmen and access to aims (and dodges)

Honestly Boba is the poster boy for why Iden is ridiculously costed. Her decked up is basically the same cost as Boba fett, and she brings way way more to the party. She is better than our man in every single way. Well except he looks cooler.

Cards aside, Boba still hits better because he has Sharpshooter 2 natively, not on a command card.

5 hours ago, RStan said:

My concern about Iden has not diminished, but I have been consistently distracted by GAR token sharing and secret mission BS which IMO is a larger concern. Granted probably the best Iden list I've seen was Iden, Krennic, 2 Death Troopers, 2 Sniper Strike Teams, 2 Shores, and 2 Shore Mortars. Can confirm, was nasty.

This right here. Iden is good and should be a concern, but when GAR is destroying (at least by TTS for what that is worth) the way it is it is really scary................. Also made worse by the fact that Imperials are probably the worse faction at the moment. Makes Iden look like she is not OP enough since she cannot carry a whole faction like Luke can.

TTS stats don't count for numerous reasons, it's not really the same game imho. I also have a hunch it's bad for the game as it encourages slow and tedious play. I look forward to when Disney nukes it personally. (Salt level 100)

That grumble aside. The mortar/iden/death troopers/shore troopers list just nuked me. Turn 1 - coordinated strike with all the range 4s. Turn 2 - Tactical Strike Turn 3. I concede.

Unless I get limited visibility, I basically can't match that list with CIS or rebels.

Again, and again, and again, I say when you meet her on the tabletop she is obviously not right. My friend who is just nuked me is of the same mind btw. I maybe salty about it, but he totally agrees it's not at all balanced.

What was your list, the mission, conditions, deployment, and who had blue player?

4 hours ago, Memorare said:

TTS stats don't count for numerous reasons, it's not really the same game imho. I also have a hunch it's bad for the game as it encourages slow and tedious play. I look forward to when Disney nukes it personally. (Salt level 100)

I understand if you don't like using TTS (I don't like playing online too much either), nobody forces you to. But wishing that it gets deleted and hence taking it away from others who are enjoying it is plain being a ****.
Also the accusation it encourages slow, tedious play is just wrong.

4 hours ago, Memorare said:

That grumble aside. The mortar/iden/death troopers/shore troopers list just nuked me. Turn 1 - coordinated strike with all the range 4s. Turn 2 - Tactical Strike Turn 3. I concede.

Imperial Gunline is nothing new and not limited to Iden. When preparing for the european championship I struggled hard against a krennic-DT-Shoreline list. Games were mostly over after turn one. Also Second place on said turnament ( https://tabletop.to/star-wars-legion-european-championships-20192020-uk-mk-top-8/list/kay-urban2 ) was absolutely brutal, evaporating most lists turn 1. That's how Imperials play and that's why objectives and terrain exist. My approach is always: work hard and try to find the weaknesses. I even like playing against allegedly overpowerd units/lists in order to getting better over using them myself and destroying the opponent.

4 hours ago, Memorare said:

Unless I get limited visibility, I basically can't match that list with CIS or rebels.

Until BX are out, CIS are struggling against everything. Too few activations and most of them very weak. Rebels highly depend on terrain. Legion is not meant to play on open grounds, there has to be dense terrain and at least a few LOS-blockers. Rebels need to use those and focus on missions. With vital assets there are a lot of missions imperials and Iden don't like too much. Bidding for blue player and forcing the right objectives helps a lot.

5 hours ago, Memorare said:

Again, and again, and again, I say when you meet her on the tabletop she is obviously not right. My friend who is just nuked me is of the same mind btw. I maybe salty about it, but he totally agrees it's not at all balanced.

So if both of you are having a bad time with Iden, then don't use her. I'm not using some of my units (Luke, Tauntauns) against some of my local players, cause they can't deal with them and it leads to bad games. There are arguments, that some of those elements are too strong compared to others as well. Then again other players find ways to deal with them, so it can't be that broken. Same with Iden.