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3PO is an auto include in GAR lists.....
27 minutes ago, Tirion said:.... Change my mind
can't i said he and R2 would be in 90% of competetive Rebel and GAR lists
7 hours ago, Tirion said:.... Change my mind
Invader League stats disagree. 11/12 of top 32 lists include R2 but only 1 C3PO.
Oh no not this again.
12 hours ago, Tirion said:.... Change my mind
If you take 3PO for token generation, you aren’t getting secret mission on most deployments as R2 is moving have as much.
15 minutes ago, Mokoshkana said:If you take 3PO for token generation, you aren’t getting secret mission on most deployments as R2 is moving have as much.
You also have a harder time using him for Repair since his repair is an action. I'm usually hard up enough on points that I've almost never used C-3PO, and I've gotten a ton of utility out of R2 alone.
37 minutes ago, arnoldrew said:You also have a harder time using him for Repair since his repair is an action. I'm usually hard up enough on points that I've almost never used C-3PO, and I've gotten a ton of utility out of R2 alone.
what are you repairing? AtRT or the Tank in GAR, because outside of ATRTs, the Rebels can't really use repair on their vehicles reliably?
If you don't take those, I feel like R2 can be run easily on his own and doesn't need 3PO. 3PO is only for tokens and extra wounds I guess. Sometimes the suppression (for another character like Sabine) isn't worth the tokens.
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55 minutes ago, Mokoshkana said:If you take 3PO for token generation, you aren’t getting secret mission on most deployments as R2 is moving have as much.
in GAR, 3PO has much more benefit, but the suppression is not always welcome as well. Secret Mission and an extra activation is auto-include. 3PO is not. There are times that I don't want to deploy the droids anywhere near the bundle of clones, so 3PO is never utilized. I think most of the deployments R2 can still make it, especially with the Vital Assets deployments being considered, but it can be challenging to make it if you are too busy token creating (if the enemy starts melee with you, you lose your mission)
6 minutes ago, buckero0 said:what are you repairing? AtRT or the Tank in GAR, because outside of ATRTs, the Rebels can't really use repair on their vehicles reliably?
R2 repairs himself. He is a droid
Just now, Mokoshkana said:R2 repairs himself. He is a droid
oh, ok. I guess most of the time, he rarely gets shot and just dodges behind LOS blocking terrain and holds onto a suppression in my games. the only time he gets in trouble is if he gets in melee.
Of course when I play against him he rolls 3 crits on his white dice and kills my figures.
2 minutes ago, buckero0 said:oh, ok. I guess most of the time, he rarely gets shot and just dodges behind LOS blocking terrain and holds onto a suppression in my games. the only time he gets in trouble is if he gets in melee.
Of course when I play against him he rolls 3 crits on his white dice and kills my figures.
Well, he can get shot once a turn because he still sheds a suppression every round. Also, on a semi-related note, in an invader league game, I finished off a unit of P2s with a shot from R2 that was Fire-Supported by Rex. That was funny, since I was losing pretty badly by that point anyway.
C3PO does also protect a little against R2 being one-shotted. R2 alone is worth attempting the one-shot if you have a big enough dice pool and access to re-rolls at range (I personally love Bossk as an R2 hunter) but I feel with C3PO tagging along it often isn't worth it and other targets take priority as they can shoot back. Just forcing that call can aid in R2 completing his secret mission or a least forcing a opponent to redirect resources to stopping him at crucial late stages.
7 hours ago, SailorMeni said:Invader League stats disagree. 11/12 of top 32 lists include R2 but only 1 C3PO.
A) while legion is better suited for it compared to say Armada, I don't put a ton of stock into online tourneys for a table top game, to many nuanced differences. But that is just my opinion.
B) how many of those were GAR? Honest question.
C) I'm not saying other people subscribe to this. Just that I have found it is the Case for me.
2 hours ago, buckero0 said:in GAR, 3PO has much more benefit, but the suppression is not always welcome as well. Secret Mission and an extra activation is auto-include. 3PO is not. There are times that I don't want to deploy the droids anywhere near the bundle of clones, so 3PO is never utilized. I think most of the deployments R2 can still make it, especially with the Vital Assets deployments being considered, but it can be challenging to make it if you are too busy token creating (if the enemy starts melee with you, you lose your mission)
I play p2s do they can handle the suppression. The clone atrt Love r2 repairs, though the argument in this thread that you are probably giving up secret mission is true and a fair criticism of my original point.
17 minutes ago, Tirion said:A) while legion is better suited for it compared to say Armada, I don't put a ton of stock into online tourneys for a table top game, to many nuanced differences. But that is just my opinion.
B) how many of those were GAR? Honest question.
C) I'm not saying other people subscribe to this. Just that I have found it is the Case for me.
Not a big fan of digital Tabletop myself, but there is no real tournament to draw data from. I think the data is very valid though. No other tournament brings so many competitive players from all over the world together. The lists of the last years were very close to identical to lists people brought to Tournaments
There are 12 GAR players in top 32 (being the strongest faction). 11 take R2 only one upgrades 3PO. That means something imo. Also spoiled units were allowed (Padme, ARC, AT-RT), so this kinda states the meta if tomorrow.
16 hours ago, Tirion said:.... Change my mind
I like to run DP-23 clone upgrades and since they are range 1-2 they are already moving across the board and can "escort" R2 & 3PO across a battlefield with 3PO generating tokens until late when R2 can make a break for it and complete the secret mission. Distract/inconspicuous keeps them alive early rounds while soaking some shots late. It is possible to get the best out of R2 & 3PO in the same game but it is also a little transparent.
On 6/18/2020 at 10:45 AM, Tirion said:.... Change my mind
No.
Change my mind!
21 hours ago, SailorMeni said:Not a big fan of digital Tabletop myself, but there is no real tournament to draw data from. I think the data is very valid though. No other tournament brings so many competitive players from all over the world together. The lists of the last years were very close to identical to lists people brought to Tournaments
There are 12 GAR players in top 32 (being the strongest faction). 11 take R2 only one upgrades 3PO. That means something imo. Also spoiled units were allowed (Padme, ARC, AT-RT), so this kinda states the meta if tomorrow.
And this data is flawed because is is incomplete. The points costs on some things are guesses based on fuzzy images and various upgrade cards are still unknown. BX saboteurs could completely change everything. Or maybe everyone is incorrect that ARC sniper units are 52 points. I don't trust is until everything is known. STAPs/AT-RTs are a different story as they've released everything needed for those clearly.
Edit: We also don't know how the new RRG will change things. Maybe the point costs are correct, but there will be changes in the rules that can affect the fundamental way these units are played. Digital Legion is a different game. it is not star wars legion the tabletop game.
Edited by MokoshkanaOn 6/19/2020 at 4:27 PM, Mokoshkana said:Edit: We also don't know how the new RRG will change things. Maybe the point costs are correct, but there will be changes in the rules that can affect the fundamental way these units are played. Digital Legion is a different game. it is not star wars legion the tabletop game.
Is there a date on a new RRG?
On the orginal question I guess it depends alot on your Command Hand as there´s quite a bunch of free stuff there which aligns with C-3P0's ability.
Just now, Scactha said:Is there a date on a new RRG?
On the orginal question I guess it depends alot on your Command Hand as there´s quite a bunch of free stuff there which aligns with C-3P0's ability.
If you're asking if we know when a new RRG is coming out, the answer is always "no." We never really have any warning and it just shows up one day.
1 hour ago, arnoldrew said:If you're asking if we know when a new RRG is coming out, the answer is always "no." We never really have any warning and it just shows up one day.
Actually we do know one will drop alongside Cad/Padme next month as those releases have new keywords. Can’t play Cad without an explanation on his tokens.
7 minutes ago, Mokoshkana said:Actually we do know one will drop alongside Cad/Padme next month as those releases have new keywords. Can’t play Cad without an explanation on his tokens.
yeah, these have actually been fairly predictable. It has been about every 6 months (within a week or so of a newer release with different rules/keywords
18 minutes ago, Mokoshkana said:Actually we do know one will drop alongside Cad/Padme next month as those releases have new keywords. Can’t play Cad without an explanation on his tokens.
Theoretically, sure. We still don't have an RRG entry for a keyword on a card that came with freakin' Count Dooku, though.
I mean the new factions don't have much compared to the GCW factions (and the GCW factions don't have much compared to other games) so if you think you need 3PO who am I to judge? It's not like TCW suffers from too many choices.