On 10/6/2020 at 5:41 PM, Revan Reborn said:

It seems strange to make the small change of putting Gamegenic on the packaging and not switching to the new cardboard packaging, which will presumably be the format for all new Armada expansions. Continuing to use so much plastic is just unnecessary and wasteful IMO. I'd prefer if FFG/Asmodee switched to cardboard, like Legion products, and X-Wing (to a lesser extent, since they still have clear plastic windows).

Changing the sleeves guide is a small change to the paper insert (for the blisters) or a small section of the printed box (for ship expansions); it's something that could even be done to existing stock with labels if Asmodee was really wound up about promoting Gamegenic. Changing the packaging type (from blister to box, or to a new box dimension) would necessitate a new SKU for bureaucratic retail reasons that are depressing to get into. If/when that happens, I think it'll be a sort of "relaunch" of the OT-era content, and if we're lucky FFG could see it as an opportunity to re-balance the included upgrades or even include new CW-introduced upgrades, though that would mean reprints technically being new releases and thus staggered over new waves.

I’m apparently not well informed. What is gamegenic?

10 minutes ago, ninclouse2000 said:

I’m apparently not well informed. What is gamegenic?

Asmodee's gaming accessories studio. Sleeves, mats, dice towers, etc.

2 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Asmodee's gaming accessories studio. Sleeves, mats, dice towers, etc.

Thanks

I had a hard choice this week, as not only did my LGS have an Onager, but they actually had a Profundity AND an MC30. I ended up snatching up the Profundity, as I already have an MC30, and figured Onagers would be easier to come by later.

On 10/8/2020 at 9:24 PM, FreakinUnoriginal said:

Changing the sleeves guide is a small change to the paper insert (for the blisters) or a small section of the printed box (for ship expansions); it's something that could even be done to existing stock with labels if Asmodee was really wound up about promoting Gamegenic. Changing the packaging type (from blister to box, or to a new box dimension) would necessitate a new SKU for bureaucratic retail reasons that are depressing to get into. If/when that happens, I think it'll be a sort of "relaunch" of the OT-era content, and if we're lucky FFG could see it as an opportunity to re-balance the included upgrades or even include new CW-introduced upgrades, though that would mean reprints technically being new releases and thus staggered over new waves.

I understand that the Gamegenic change was easy, but FFG knew that the Clone Wars was coming, so it just seems strange to reprint expansions with content that will be rendered out-of-date and "obsolete" only a few months later. It would've been a different story if these Armada reprints had been released at the beginning of 2020. Whereas now, it seems very short-sighted.

I wonder: Did FFG/Asmodee do a large scale reprint and now has Armada stock for the next 2 years? Or was it just a limited reprinting, just to satisfy the immediate demand, and sometime in 2021, FFG will reprint another batch with CWA-style packaging and standard size cards? I hope it's the latter.

Also, Amazon had a great sale on the SSD -- but it's over already. Now I have a second SSD for my friends to use against me or in Sector Fleet battles. I'm thinking of painting Rebel stripes and symbols on it, and homebrewing the Lusankya.

4 minutes ago, Revan Reborn said:

so it just seems strange to reprint expansions with content that will be rendered out-of-date and "obsolete" only a few months later.

While some of the card information might be out-of-date, the cards themselves will be valid for use. Just last month they released a printable errata'd card sheet that's in the current mini size / using the current FAQ text, which I imagine will be completely replaced after the Upgrade Card Collection is released. We know the new layout is coming, but it's not in-hand yet.

I don't think there are any Premier events planned, but hypothetically I wonder if the UCC version of cards will also count towards the 11 day legality delay. So if some of the reprinted expansions got updated cards, but other expansions hadn't been reprinted yet, could that have meant some new-layout cards would have been legal to use right away while others would have needed to wait?

42 minutes ago, Revan Reborn said:

I wonder: Did FFG/Asmodee do a large scale reprint and now has Armada stock for the next 2 years? Or was it just a limited reprinting, just to satisfy the immediate demand, and sometime in 2021, FFG will reprint another batch with CWA-style packaging and standard size cards?

Yeah, and we also have no idea when these reprints were meant to be done, what with the state of the world.

FFG has been restocking its website regularly. For instance, both Gladiators and Assault Frigates have ran out and been restocked a couple times in the last few months. Squadrons have been restocked also. It seems strange that Raiders and Arquitens are not being restocked. It really limits flexibility in Imperial list building.

26 minutes ago, postje said:

FFG has been restocking its website regularly. For instance, both Gladiators and Assault Frigates have ran out and been restocked a couple times in the last few months. Squadrons have been restocked also. It seems strange that Raiders and Arquitens are not being restocked. It really limits flexibility in Imperial list building.

Arquitens and Raiders were.

They did disappear fast though.

On 7/5/2020 at 11:32 PM, Revan Reborn said:

Another factor could be the few production lines that are allocated for printing Armada products have probably been used for Clone Wars Armada, which is why there haven't been restocks of existing Armada expansions.

Couldn't agree more

It's insanely hard to get the ISD, Light Cruiser, Raider, Gladiator, Fighter 2, and Gozanti, Expansions. The only Rebel Ships I've seen gone on the most sites were the Transports, Guppies, and Starhawks.

21 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

Arquitens and Raiders were.

They did disappear fast though.

I believe the recent Armada restocks were just a stop-gap measure to fulfill some of the demand, but FFG chose not to reprint enough products for the long-term supply requirements.

I think they're waiting until after Clone Wars Armada is released, then they're going to revamp all the GCW Armada expansions so they will include the updated cards and they'll probably change the boxes to the new style. Then FFG will order enough reprints for the long-term -- but they probably won't ship until mid-2021, and Clone Wars products will presumably take priority over reprints.

2 hours ago, Revan Reborn said:

I believe the recent Armada restocks were just a stop-gap measure to fulfill some of the demand, but FFG chose not to reprint enough products for the long-term supply requirements.

I think they're waiting until after Clone Wars Armada is released, then they're going to revamp all the GCW Armada expansions so they will include the updated cards and they'll probably change the boxes to the new style. Then FFG will order enough reprints for the long-term -- but they probably won't ship until mid-2021, and Clone Wars products will presumably take priority over reprints.

Can I have some of whatever makes you so optimistic here? 🤣 Remember you're supposed to bring enough to share with the class.

Full resupply has never been something I've really noticed, though it may depend on the expansion. Arquittens have always been in ridiculously high demand. I tend to blame scalpers but don't really have any good data on that actually being the case, or if they just get bought out so quickly by actual players and collectors. Something Sometimes o consider is that Raiders and Arqs are often run in multiples, and are thr only small ships run in such a way that you don't: a) get in the core set or b) get multiple of per expansion.

4 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

Arquitens and Raiders were.

They did disappear fast though.

Have they been restocked recently? I have checked almost every day for the last couple of months. Some of the ships and squadrons have been restocked multiple times in that time period.

51 minutes ago, postje said:

Have they been restocked recently? I have checked almost every day for the last couple of months. Some of the ships and squadrons have been restocked multiple times in that time period.

I don't think so, not since i think June or so. Now i think their saving reprint for the new card size and packing/ Clone war era prints.

Hopefully the availability of the card packs soon will level out demand for the rarer ships, since a lot of people purchase them just for the cards.

4 hours ago, postje said:

Hopefully the availability of the card packs soon will level out demand for the rarer ships, since a lot of people purchase them just for the cards.

Thats a distinct possiblity. Take for instance the pelta, everyone bout the crap out of it there for a while for Rapid launch bays..... or at least i think they did my memory is a little fuzzy on that.

Nah, neither the ship nor RLB have every been popular.

14 minutes ago, Formynder4 said:

Nah, neither the ship nor RLB have every been popular.

Challenge Accepted:

Pelta Pelta Pelta (398/400)
Rebels

Commander: Garm Bel Iblis

[flagship] Modified Pelta-class Command Ship (60)
- Garm Bel Iblis (25)
- Intensify Firepower! (6)
- Rapid Launch Bays (6)
- Ahsoka Tano (2)
- Engine Techs (8)
= 107 total points

Modified Pelta-class Command Ship (60)
- All Fighters, Follow Me! (5)
- Rapid Launch Bays (6)
- Hondo Ohnaka (2)
- Engine Techs (8)
= 81 total points

Modified Pelta-class Command Ship (60)
- Take Evasive Action (6)
- Rapid Launch Bays (6)
- Wedge Antilles (4)
- Engine Techs (8)
= 84 total points

Squadrons (126/134):
9x B-Wing Squadron (126)

16 hours ago, bkcammack said:

Challenge Accepted:

Pelta Pelta Pelta (398/400)
Rebels

Commander: Garm Bel Iblis

[flagship] Modified Pelta-class Command Ship (60)
- Garm Bel Iblis (25)
- Intensify Firepower! (6)
- Rapid Launch Bays (6)
- Ahsoka Tano (2)
- Engine Techs (8)
= 107 total points

Modified Pelta-class Command Ship (60)
- All Fighters, Follow Me! (5)
- Rapid Launch Bays (6)
- Hondo Ohnaka (2)
- Engine Techs (8)
= 81 total points

Modified Pelta-class Command Ship (60)
- Take Evasive Action (6)
- Rapid Launch Bays (6)
- Wedge Antilles (4)
- Engine Techs (8)
= 84 total points

Squadrons (126/134):
9x B-Wing Squadron (126)

Cool list. I am one Pelta and five B-Wings short of being able to run it.

So I am a new player to Armada and found the availability a little disheartening but after reading this I see I am not alone and there should be new ships soon which is awesome! Still wouldnt mind getting a Starhawk or some imperial ship that is normally $20 but on ebay they want $70-200 lol... is an ISD really worth $200 or an Arquittens worth $150.. shoot some people want $50+ for a raider... I am very confused on whats happening.

On 10/10/2020 at 11:19 PM, Revan Reborn said:

and homebrewing the Lusankya.

That would be an interesting expansion. Letting the Rebels go toe-to-toe with the Empire? Or have a Starhawk AND SSD!?!

1 hour ago, Bravo Null said:

That would be an interesting expansion. Letting the Rebels go toe-to-toe with the Empire? Or have a Starhawk AND SSD!?!

I've done it already, ran a larger game with the Rebels getting an Executor 1 with a custom title card. Surprisingly, it balances well.

On 10/23/2020 at 9:10 AM, Stormoffires said:

So I am a new player to Armada and found the availability a little disheartening but after reading this I see I am not alone and there should be new ships soon which is awesome! Still wouldnt mind getting a Starhawk or some imperial ship that is normally $20 but on ebay they want $70-200 lol... is an ISD really worth $200 or an Arquittens worth $150.. shoot some people want $50+ for a raider... I am very confused on whats happening.

Sorry bud, im glad to have new players in the game! That being said, ffg has always been a company who want to keep low quantity of stock on THEIR shelfs. This has allowed the comical pricing on third party sites. Their busness modle makes more sense if you think of them more as a warhousing/distributor kind of entity, they really want you to buy from local retailers more than they want you to buy directly. SUPER NOT AN exscuse for their baffling restocking practices, but it may help you get your head around what going on. Theres alot, and tons of speculation about what goes on behind the scenes at the ressupply descion meetings.

As a side note you can try the trade thread to see if anybody has one/ most of one theyed be willing to make a deal for. You may have also already tried you FLGS, but they tend to be the holders of the stock many of whom dont sell online in a big way. If your lucky enough to have multiple FLGS by you, try calling them to see if they have what you want in stock.

On 10/20/2020 at 5:19 PM, Alzer said:

Can I have some of whatever makes you so optimistic here? 🤣 Remember you're supposed to bring enough to share with the class.

Full resupply has never been something I've really noticed, though it may depend on the expansion. Arquittens have always been in ridiculously high demand. I tend to blame scalpers but don't really have any good data on that actually being the case, or if they just get bought out so quickly by actual players and collectors. Something Sometimes o consider is that Raiders and Arqs are often run in multiples, and are thr only small ships run in such a way that you don't: a) get in the core set or b) get multiple of per expansion.

I can't imagine that FFG will keep the GCW Armada products the same after CWA is released, because all the cards from those original expansions would be worthless. At the very least, they'll start packing the new standard size cards into reprints of GCW Armada expansions in 2021.

I hope that FFG will revamp the GCW Armada products and change them into the CWA style of boxes. I really want FFG to ditch the left-see-thru-window box design for medium and large ships, because it's incredibly wasteful! The CW Starters still have the window on the front-left of the boxes, but it doesn't continue on the back anymore. Hopefully this means that FFG has placed some of the accessories behind the starfield panel seen in the Starter boxes, so they've compacted them as much as possible. And hopefully the other CW ship expansions will have smaller boxes than the GCW Armada ship expansions.

At least the squadron packs ditched the plastic and appear to be all cardboard now. Those plastic packs always were a pain to open.

I think that FFG has consistently under-estimated the demand for Armada products, especially for small ships, which players tend to buy multiples of. FFG also doesn't seem to want to maintain a warehouse supply of Armada products. They seem to only print/re-print enough products to fulfill retailers' new release or restock orders, and once those are gone, they're all gone, and they have to be reprinted again -- which takes months or years!

It appears that for the Clone Wars Armada launch products, FFG is correcting that mistake and has produced A LOT of expansions, to fulfill long-term demand. That's to be expected for a "new product" launch -- which CWA basically is. But it remains to be seen if FFG will produce Wave 2 and beyond expansions in sufficient numbers to keep them in-stock -- or for rapid restocks -- for the next 3+ years.

On 10/20/2020 at 6:35 PM, postje said:

Have they been restocked recently? I have checked almost every day for the last couple of months. Some of the ships and squadrons have been restocked multiple times in that time period.

Multiple stores in my area received Arquitens restocks back in August/September, and they sold out almost immediately.

Yes, other ships expansions and squadron packs have been reprinted and restocked in the years between Arq restocks. I don't know why FFG doesn't reprint them more often and in sufficient numbers to satisfy demand. I can understand FFG under-estimating the demand for the Arq's initial release. But after that, they should've understood that players were buying 3-5 of them, and significantly increased production to ensure they made enough. But they didn't.