EA’s Star Wars Squadrons Game Achievements and Early Mission Reveal !!

By Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun, in X-Wing

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4 hours ago, Odanan said:

Well, it worked with the WWII Japan...

Are you referring to nuking Japan? If so that kinda misrepresents the reason those bombs were dropped. It was less about ending the war to bring our boys home faster, and more about forcing Japan to surrender before Russia joined that front, and also scaring the pants off every other nation that wasn't Japan, particularly our allies, to make sure they didn't try to oppose the US down the line.

The war in Europe had more or less ended, and Russia was getting ready to invade as they had a long standing beef with Japan plus all these soldiers that didn't have to fight Nazi's anymore. If that happened, Russia would've had a lot more power at the allied negotiating table once all the fighting was over because it would have made them instrumental in ending the conflict in both of the major theaters. The US knew that Japan was basically beaten already, and would likely surrender the same day the Russians joined the fight against them, but wasn't about to let Russia swoop in and claim any amount of glory on the western front. The Nukes were dropped to force Japan's surrender early under terms laid out specifically by the US. That's why two bombs had to be dropped, Japan really wasn't feeling those terms so a second attack was ordered just weeks ahead of Russia's planned invasion to force Japan's hand. This also served the purpose of demonstrating how dangerous the Nuke was to the rest of the world, something that was made pretty clear during post war negotiations as there was a general attitude of "don't mess with the US or we will do to you what we did to Japan. Lookin at you Commies." That animosity the US and several other allied nations had towards Russia is one of the many many factors that led to the Cold War, which our country likes to leave out of the history books, since it kinda shows how we had more of a part in creating that situation than most would care to admit.

Sorry for the random totally off-topic long post. I just really really like history.

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2 hours ago, Hippie Moosen said:

Are you referring to nuking Japan? If so that kinda misrepresents the reason those bombs were dropped. It was less about ending the war to bring our boys home faster, and more about forcing Japan to surrender before Russia joined that front, and also scaring the pants off every other nation that wasn't Japan, particularly our allies, to make sure they didn't try to oppose the US down the line.

The war in Europe had more or less ended, and Russia was getting ready to invade as they had a long standing beef with Japan plus all these soldiers that didn't have to fight Nazi's anymore. If that happened, Russia would've had a lot more power at the allied negotiating table once all the fighting was over because it would have made them instrumental in ending the conflict in both of the major theaters. The US knew that Japan was basically beaten already, and would likely surrender the same day the Russians joined the fight against them, but wasn't about to let Russia swoop in and claim any amount of glory on the western front. The Nukes were dropped to force Japan's surrender early under terms laid out specifically by the US. That's why two bombs had to be dropped, Japan really wasn't feeling those terms so a second attack was ordered just weeks ahead of Russia's planned invasion to force Japan's hand. This also served the purpose of demonstrating how dangerous the Nuke was to the rest of the world, something that was made pretty clear during post war negotiations as there was a general attitude of "don't mess with the US or we will do to you what we did to Japan. Lookin at you Commies." That animosity the US and several other allied nations had towards Russia is one of the many many factors that led to the Cold War, which our country likes to leave out of the history books, since it kinda shows how we had more of a part in creating that situation than most would care to admit.

Sorry for the random totally off-topic long post. I just really really like history.

Well that kind of suits the use of Death Star too, to show the power of the new weapon to all, allied systems included (and the weapon was developed by the scientist from the opposing forces who warned of its use).

But as a fellow history enthusiast, I might add that in addition to those explanations, casualties WERE becoming a bit high after Iwo Jima and Okinawa... and there were different opinions on the command staff too, and some of them eventually persuaded Truman to use the bomb.

As it was used on civilian targets, it is basically the same than destroying Alderaan, only on smaller scale. A war crime.

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14 minutes ago, Pretty Green said:

Well that kind of suits the use of Death Star too, to show the power of the new weapon to all, allied systems included (and the weapon was developed by the scientist from the opposing forces who warned of its use).

Yeah I always saw that as more of a secondary objective to "screw Russia," since most of the allies really really hated the Russians even before WW2 or Stalin, but that could just be my own biases. You never want to think your country tried to scare the world into going along with it's wishes, but it's not hard to see that as a big reason Nukes were built in the first place.

24 minutes ago, Pretty Green said:

As it was used on civilian targets, it is basically the same than destroying Alderaan, only on smaller scale. A war crime.

There are people who've read some pretty radical ideas into the original Star Wars film. Some say A New Hope is really about fighting against American imperialism, that the Death Star is a stand in for Nukes, Alderaan is Japan, and the empire itself is the US government or at least the military industrial complex. I'm not 100% certain that's what Lucas was going for, but it fits pretty dang well.

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5 minutes ago, Hippie Moosen said:

There are people who've read some pretty radical ideas into the original Star Wars film. Some say A New Hope is really about fighting against American imperialism, that the Death Star is a stand in for Nukes, Alderaan is Japan, and the empire itself is the US government or at least the military industrial complex. I'm not 100% certain that's what Lucas was going for, but it fits pretty dang well.

Well actually, I never thought about too much about the real world comparison to Star Wars and never before this thought of comparing Death Star to nukes. But now that when we are thinking of it, many things fit.. or might just be in our heads =D

The only thing I ever thought was the obvious "Empire are WW2 nazis".

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3 hours ago, Hippie Moosen said:

Are you referring to nuking Japan? If so that kinda misrepresents the reason those bombs were dropped. It was less about ending the war to bring our boys home faster, and more about forcing Japan to surrender before Russia joined that front, and also scaring the pants off every other nation that wasn't Japan, particularly our allies, to make sure they didn't try to oppose the US down the line.

The war in Europe had more or less ended, and Russia was getting ready to invade as they had a long standing beef with Japan plus all these soldiers that didn't have to fight Nazi's anymore. If that happened, Russia would've had a lot more power at the allied negotiating table once all the fighting was over because it would have made them instrumental in ending the conflict in both of the major theaters. The US knew that Japan was basically beaten already, and would likely surrender the same day the Russians joined the fight against them, but wasn't about to let Russia swoop in and claim any amount of glory on the western front. The Nukes were dropped to force Japan's surrender early under terms laid out specifically by the US. That's why two bombs had to be dropped, Japan really wasn't feeling those terms so a second attack was ordered just weeks ahead of Russia's planned invasion to force Japan's hand. This also served the purpose of demonstrating how dangerous the Nuke was to the rest of the world, something that was made pretty clear during post war negotiations as there was a general attitude of "don't mess with the US or we will do to you what we did to Japan. Lookin at you Commies." That animosity the US and several other allied nations had towards Russia is one of the many many factors that led to the Cold War, which our country likes to leave out of the history books, since it kinda shows how we had more of a part in creating that situation than most would care to admit.

Sorry for the random totally off-topic long post. I just really really like history.

That isn't entirely true. Russia had already declared war on Japan a day prior to the bombing of Nagasaki, in line with the results of the Tehran and Yalta conferences where Stalin agreed with Churchill and Roosevelt on joining the Pacific theater and on former Soviet territories that would go back to Russia following the conflict. This meant Russia would both become a combatant again and that they would not negotiate a peace settlement favorably for Japan. The combination of nuclear attack, the threat of a US invasion, and the Russian offensive in Manchuria followed by other assaults on outlying Japanese territories all likely contributed to the declaration of surrender.

The conventional justification for the bomb drops to end the war with less casualties on both sides is still likely accurate, although it is likely correct that demonstrating the capability and ending the war before Russia generated favorable positioning for post-war negotiations played significant roles.

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On 6/13/2020 at 1:08 PM, Husum said:

Just make me a star wars skinned version of Tachyon. Please?

Tachyon: The Fringe? The game where Bruce Campbell did the voice for your character?

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First Missions !!

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Game Achievements !

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This came up with friends the other day and I'm not reading 15 pages to see if it was covered lol

Do we know how (and how easy) it'll be to squad up via crossplay?

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On 6/12/2020 at 4:20 PM, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

Leaked Reveal !

You won me with the freighter inspection!

Also, TIE v1!!

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3 hours ago, Odanan said:

You won me with the freighter inspection!

Also, TIE v1!!

Let the Easter egg hunting begin!! 😂

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Reading forums it seems HOTAS support is a joke, at least on PC, VR on PC is a lottery at best and the game does something wonky with framerates. Also no way to bind axes to free look, only button presses. Seems like it will be a solid product in a few months, glad I didn't preorder 😐

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Yeah, barely an hour in and screw this game. If I wanted to play the Rebellion I'd have chosen it. Don't force me to play through their story to get to the Empire missions

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2 hours ago, Deimos said:

Yeah, barely an hour in and screw this game. If I wanted to play the Rebellion I'd have chosen it. Don't force me to play through their story to get to the Empire missions

Really? ****, not what I was expecting.

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2 hours ago, Deimos said:

Yeah, barely an hour in and screw this game. If I wanted to play the Rebellion I'd have chosen it. Don't force me to play through their story to get to the Empire missions

Although people with a weird space facist fetish are always amusing to me I agree in part. It just chucks you into the single player game with no menu or options to choose what you do first and you play both factions, which is just awful railroading. But then again it is EA, so it's exactly what to expect.

Well done on pissing me off before I even get to fly a ship.

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Wait, really? Didn't we know from the start that the story was going to go back and forth? I was under that impression since they announced what the game was, so no issue here.

And watching videos yesterday, yeah it seems the missions (at least the early ones) are also there to teach you how to fly. So makes sense that they throw you in right away, otherwise you'd jump right to multiplayer and have no idea how to do anything lol

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Kinda surprised at the reactions here, i've played about 3 hours of it and have had a blast. Most of that time was spent in 5v5 dogfight but I did complete the initial campaign tutorial. I honestly bought this game for the PvP though and the campaign is something i'd play through once and probably never again. The real thrill and challenge here is fighting vs real players not AI.

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4 hours ago, Deimos said:

Yeah, barely an hour in and screw this game. If I wanted to play the Rebellion I'd have chosen it. Don't force me to play through their story to get to the Empire missions

2 hours ago, Pretty Green said:

Really? ****, not what I was expecting.

2 hours ago, tampermagnitude said:

Although people with a weird space facist fetish are always amusing to me I agree in part. It just chucks you into the single player game with no menu or options to choose what you do first and you play both factions, which is just awful railroading. But then again it is EA, so it's exactly what to expect.

Well done on pissing me off before I even get to fly a ship.

I mean they’ve openly stated the single player is both there to teach you to fly and that the campaign flip flops between Rebel and Imperial. Like...in all media regarding the game.