Honestly, I think these guys really need some errata love. Totally understand FFG's early fears about making them too strong... but let's get real, when's the last time Wookies ever made it close enough to start a melee in a non-skirmish game? If they can't easily get up high to boost their cover/get past tough terrain using "Scale", they might as well get a point drop (plus, Grevious and the BX-Commandos can climb better than wookiees? Yeah right!).
Give the Wookiees "Scale"
...Have you seen Grievous climb? I'm sure wookiees are decent climbers, but there's no way they match his pace up a sheer surface.
Scale would be perfect for Wookiee Warriors. You can remove Expert Climber and Unhindered since Scale includes both of those anyway.
I like giving them Scale. At their current bloated price I'd also like to see their melee weapon get Pierce 1.
That would give a full unit of Wookies Pierce 4 in melee. A full unit of Wookies should be feared in melee and, for their price, this would do it.
11 minutes ago, Thraug said:I like giving them Scale. At their current bloated price I'd also like to see their melee weapon get Pierce 1.
That would give a full unit of Wookies Pierce 4 in melee. A full unit of Wookies should be feared in melee and, for their price, this would do it.
That sounds like it might be a bit much. Maybe Lethal 1 instead?
1 minute ago, arnoldrew said:That sounds like it might be a bit much. Maybe Lethal 1 instead?
I could get behind this.
26 minutes ago, SpiderMana said:...Have you seen Grievous climb? I'm sure wookiees are decent climbers, but there's no way they match his pace up a sheer surface.
BX-Droids vs Wookiees tho?
4 hours ago, Cruzer said:BX-Droids vs Wookiees tho?
We also see BX droids climbing sheer surfaces and somersaulting more than double their height upwards in the cartoon.
14 minutes ago, VermillionDe said:We also see BX droids climbing sheer surfaces and somersaulting more than double their height upwards in the cartoon.
Will need to rewatch and find these moments. All the same, mechanically it definitely seems like the Wookiees need something like "Scale" to make them more usable (especially since they're pricier than the droids and have worse DEF dice).
24 minutes ago, Cruzer said:Will need to rewatch and find these moments. All the same, mechanically it definitely seems like the Wookiees need something like "Scale" to make them more usable (especially since they're pricier than the droids and have worse DEF dice).
Not that you're wrong about the defense dice, but Wookies do have triple the wounds of a BX droid. Even factoring in the defense dice, Wookies have 3.6 effective wounds to BX droids 2.
But Wookies should definitely have Scale.
I've thought long and hard about this and I think wookies should get 2 things
Rule 1 - let's call it stubborn: wookie models are only removed at the end of their activation. This would mean that they could get shot to pieces in a charge and still get value.
Rule 2 - lets call it ferocity x. Wookies surges at pierce 1 for melee attacks up to x. This would make them a dangerous and unpredictable unit as you would expect from a wookie. And the up to x would cap it so you didn't get instances of Royal Guards being completely wiped out by a lucky role.
Maybe these are too strong but it's just a thought.
2 hours ago, Tris87TJ said:Rule 2 - lets call it ferocity x. Wookies surges at pierce 1 for melee attacks up to x. This would make them a dangerous and unpredictable unit as you would expect from a wookie. And the up to x would cap it so you didn't get instances of Royal Guards being completely wiped out by a lucky role.
I'm utterly mystified as to what you mean by this.
...wookies.....need more cookies....!!!
On 6/12/2020 at 7:15 PM, SpiderMana said:...Have you seen Grievous climb? I'm sure wookiees are decent climbers, but there's no way they match his pace up a sheer surface.
True, but scale is what expert climb should have been. A buff to wookies couldn't hurt.
I think lethal and scale is a good idea. I would also like them to get a defensive buff when in melee. They should shred stormtroopers in hand to hand but I tend to be underwhelmed by their performance for cost.
On 6/13/2020 at 1:04 PM, arnoldrew said:I'm utterly mystified as to what you mean by this.
If you roll 1 surge you get pierce 1, if you roll 3 surges you get 3 pierce, so on. You can only get a number of pierce equal to the number next to the keyword eg ferocity 2 you roll 5 surges still only get pierce 2.
5 hours ago, Tris87TJ said:If you roll 1 surge you get pierce 1, if you roll 3 surges you get 3 pierce, so on. You can only get a number of pierce equal to the number next to the keyword eg ferocity 2 you roll 5 surges still only get pierce 2.
For a non-hero unit, I'm hesitant to give something a weapon/keyword with more than pierce 1. Not a bad idea, but definitely more nuts than even an expensive SF unit should be even with dedicated Melee units.
I like Scale for Wookies. As an alternative, I have liked the idea of giving them Spur. They can then be an appropriate Melee threat, but also a better Skirmisher if you're Move/shooting.
I really want them to come out with a Vibro-Ax heavy weapon that gives Pierce 1. I think it's a good way of increasing their Melee damage while keeping it sane.
I can't see it they seem to be reticent of errata , seeming to go for point rebalance, I'd love to see it though