Hey guys, I own some Legion and have played a couple times with pretty much just a core set with my friend, but with quarantining and whatnot we decided to give it a shot on TTS. We played 2, maybe 3 turns and it took several hours.

I was just curious if anyone who plays on there might be willing to play through a game with me to help me understand some of the rules a bit more smoothly? I just want to get more familiar with the game with the help of an experienced player to point out what I'm doing wrong/help me figure out how range/LoS/etc works from squad-to-squad better.

If you are searching for someone to help you, you might have better luck finding him/her on the SWL discord server. There are multiple channels for TTS games.

https://discord.gg/DnBf2x

The cover/LoS rules are the most complicated rules in SWL (still simple compared to similar games) so it is naturally the hardest rule to learn for beginners. You can use the chart in the linked post below to check if you did it right. It looks pretty big and complicated but after 2 or 3 games it becomes a matter of a few seconds to run through all of that.

I would if I could get my crappy laptop to run TTS. Hoping to upgrade over the next 2 weeks if you have no luck by then. I second the discord. There's a few rules to read through when you join but you usually get a faster response than here

On 6/7/2020 at 12:54 PM, Alan Noir said:

I would if I could get my crappy laptop to run TTS. Hoping to upgrade over the next 2 weeks if you have no luck by then. I second the discord. There's a few rules to read through when you join but you usually get a faster response than here

It's not just a case of a "crappy laptop". TTS is an un-optimized beast of a board game simulator, and it's not well-suited for running on any laptop.

I have a mobile workstation with a 3 GHz Xeon proc, 32 GB of RAM, and a Quadro M2000M discrete graphics card, which should be more than adequate at running TTS at 1080p, but it gets extremely hot with the cooling fan at full blast. The game performance isn't bad, but the amount of stress that TTS puts on my laptop just doesn't make sense. I can run games like Company of Heroes 2 and Civilization 6 on the same laptop and they don't stress it as much as TTS does.

TTS runs fine on my gaming PC, which is considerably more powerful and liquid cooled, so it can handle the stress. I also have an ultra-wide monitor, which is great because the extra screen real estate emulates a proper board game experience.

It's ironic that Tabletop Simulator requires a gaming PC setup almost as large, expensive, and elaborate as buying the physical board game and setting it up on a proper board game table.

As for learning to play Legion, I concur that the Discord channel is the best way to get advice, because real-time Q&A is what new players really need to understand the game.

Thanks, all! I have had a couple people on Discord reach out to me, so I should be pretty well set. Thanks for the Discord link, too!

10 hours ago, Reavern said:

It's not just a case of a "crappy laptop". TTS is an un-optimized beast of a board game simulator, and it's not well-suited for running on any laptop.

I have a mobile workstation with a 3 GHz Xeon proc, 32 GB of RAM, and a Quadro M2000M discrete graphics card, which should be more than adequate at running TTS at 1080p, but it gets extremely hot with the cooling fan at full blast. The game performance isn't bad, but the amount of stress that TTS puts on my laptop just doesn't make sense. I can run games like Company of Heroes 2 and Civilization 6 on the same laptop and they don't stress it as much as TTS does.

TTS runs fine on my gaming PC, which is considerably more powerful and liquid cooled, so it can handle the stress. I also have an ultra-wide monitor, which is great because the extra screen real estate emulates a proper board game experience.

It's ironic that Tabletop Simulator requires a gaming PC setup almost as large, expensive, and elaborate as buying the physical board game and setting it up on a proper board game table.

As for learning to play Legion, I concur that the Discord channel is the best way to get advice, because real-time Q&A is what new players really need to understand the game.

Well that's disheartening.

15 hours ago, Alan Noir said:

Well that's disheartening.

Yes, TTS leans hard on the "simulation" side, because it's designed for VR, which is why it's so demanding on hardware -- and why it stresses laptops so much. Whereas the alternative, Vassal, isn't nearly as demanding.

Another issue is that TTS's games are mostly unlicensed, fan-made mods, so they tend to be poorly optimized and buggy. For example, the physics can go haywire if there's a collision detection problem.

Whereas Tabletopia games look better, play better, and are fairly stable, because they're officially licensed and professionally developed -- and naturally cost $$.

Don't get me wrong, I like TTS and have been using it a lot the past few months, but it's far from perfect.

If FFG/Asmodee licensed a Legion or Armada or X-Wing game for Tabletopia, I'd gladly pay for it.