Okay, well within the possible reveal of Armada Clone Wars expansions, I noticed something peculiar. The last expansion we received for the current game was the Onager (swm33). The first expansion in the possible reveal is the Galactic Republic ship expansion (swm34). The next five product numbers are also accounted for. So where is the Clone Wars core game? I think it is the one number we still have no product for... the mysterious SWM28! Which would imply that Armada Clone Wars was in the planning stages since the Hammerhead (swm27) of wave six which was released in July of 2017.

Of course if the reveal is not a reveal, then the SWM28 theory would be pure conjecture. Thoughts?

Something similar happened with SWM20, which wasn't announced until after SWM29 and SWM30 were released. That turned out to be the SSD (which was somewhat suspected at the time).

SWM28 might be something Clone Wars-related, or it could be an expansion they started on but gave up on, or it could be some project that was paused.

Given that the Clone Wars stuff doesn't seem to be a single product but a bundle, SWM28 probably isn't a Clone Wars thing.

Based on the leaks, the new Clone Wars products are SWM34-39; 34-35 being the Fleet Expansions, 36-37 the Squadron Packs, 38 the Card Pack, and 39 the Dial Pack.

I think it is something in the works. Maybe a true core set but maybe not. I have no idea what it could be if it is not a clone wars core set. Maybe the fleet expansions are groups of ships with not base game needs (tools damage deck ECT...) And we will still get a clone wars core.

It would be neat to see an essentials expansion with the damage deck, obstacles, range tool, movement tool, objective cards, and dice. Give new players an option to skip the original core if only playing Clone Wars and allow existing players to add Clone Wars without the need for a tradition core set with unnecessary components.

Maybe it was a sequel trilogy expansion that was shelved (perhaps a Force Awakens starter set, or something like it, that was canceled when they realized they didn't have enough material? Just spit balling here, go easy on me! 😉 ). The timing works out, coming in-between expansions themed around Star Wars Rebels and Rogue One , respectively.

5 hours ago, Grumbleduke said:

Something similar happened with SWM20, which wasn't announced until after SWM29 and SWM30 were released. That turned out to be the SSD (which was somewhat suspected at the time).

SWM28 might be something Clone Wars-related, or it could be an expansion they started on but gave up on, or it could be some project that was paused.

Given that the Clone Wars stuff doesn't seem to be a single product but a bundle, SWM28 probably isn't a Clone Wars thing.

Based on the leaks, the new Clone Wars products are SWM34-39; 34-35 being the Fleet Expansions, 36-37 the Squadron Packs, 38 the Card Pack, and 39 the Dial Pack.

My guess is that SWM28 was reserved for the Clone Wars Armada core set, but FFG apparently has gone in a different direction with the Clone Wars and is releasing faction-based Fleet Expansions instead.

Perhaps some day, FFG will release the Clone Wars Armada core set. But there's an abundance of SWA core sets on store shelves -- one of the few Armada products currently available -- so FFG isn't going to release a new core set until the originals are sold out. I wouldn't be surprised if FFG discontinues the GCW-themed Armada core set and replaces it with the Clone Wars Armada core set, because the Clone Wars will be Armada's focus for at least the next few years, so it would make sense if a new Armada core set was Clone Wars-themed.

FFG admitted that they were working on a huge rebel ship in the past, but then gave up on it after recognizing what effort the SSD was and calculating that it would sell a lot worse than the SSD. My guess is that the missing number is this ship that never was released.

1 minute ago, Darth Veggie said:

FFG admitted that they were working on a huge rebel ship in the past, but then gave up on it after recognizing what effort the SSD was and calculating that it would sell a lot worse than the SSD. My guess is that the missing number is this ship that never was released.

If the Rebel huge ship was cancelled because the SSD was difficult to produce, I can sorta understand that.

However, if it was because FFG assumed that it would sell poorly, then FFG has the least faith in their own products of any board game developer I can think of. 🙄

The SSD has sold out in most markets and Armada players still want to buy it, which means it must have been financially successful and popular with Armada players.

I have to assume that the Rebel huge ship would've been the Mon Calamari Viscount-class dreadnought. While I acknowledge that the Viscount is nowhere as popular or iconic as the SSD, I'm certain that Rebel players would've wanted a Rebel huge ship to oppose the Imperial SSD, so they would've bought it. I'm primarily an Imperial player and I definitely would've bought the Viscount, because it's awesome!

So it would be horribly disappointing if FFG cancelled the Rebel huge ship because the assumed it wouldn't sell.

1 hour ago, Darth Veggie said:

FFG admitted that they were working on a huge rebel ship in the past, but then gave up on it after recognizing what effort the SSD was and calculating that it would sell a lot worse than the SSD. My guess is that the missing number is this ship that never was released.

15 hours ago, Grumbleduke said:

Something similar happened with SWM20, which wasn't announced until after SWM29 and SWM30 were released. That turned out to be the SSD (which was somewhat suspected at the time).

SWM28 might be something Clone Wars-related, or it could be an expansion they started on but gave up on, or it could be some project that was paused.

Given that the Clone Wars stuff doesn't seem to be a single product but a bundle, SWM28 probably isn't a Clone Wars thing.

Based on the leaks, the new Clone Wars products are SWM34-39; 34-35 being the Fleet Expansions, 36-37 the Squadron Packs, 38 the Card Pack, and 39 the Dial Pack.

Rebel Lucrehulk, told to hold off until Clone Wars comes out

Also, the Lucrehulk is the same shape as the Rebel Insignia, I'll just leave that thought..

8 hours ago, Muelmuel said:

Rebel Lucrehulk, told to hold off until Clone Wars comes out

Also, the Lucrehulk is the same shape as the Rebel Insignia, I'll just leave that thought..

If the Rebel huge ship had been a "Rebel Lucrehulk" then I definitely would not have bought it.

I know it's a reference to the Death Star novel, but I don't care. It's lame!

However, I'll definitely buy the CIS Lucrehulk when it's released.

12 hours ago, Reavern said:

Yhe SSD has sold out in most markets and Armada players still want to buy it, which means it must have been financially successful and popular with Armada players.

Simply selling well does not make a product financially successful.

37 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

Simply selling well does not make a product financially successful.

That's only possible if FFG inexplicably did not manufacture enough SSDs that selling them all was profitable. Or FFG didn't choose a MSRP that made the SSD profitable.

That's on FFG (or more likely, Asmodee), not us.

We can't buy more SSDs because there aren't any more to buy.

18 hours ago, Darth Veggie said:

FFG admitted that they were working on a huge rebel ship in the past, but then gave up on it after recognizing what effort the SSD was and calculating that it would sell a lot worse than the SSD. My guess is that the missing number is this ship that never was released.

I'm pretty sure they said they thought about it but never pusued it. So probably didn't even get an item number. And they strongly hinted it was a ship from legend that fit the size but it was very obscure so they didn't think it would sell. ( I am almost certain they were talking about the viscount star defender)

Btw I would have bought it but I think the Star Hawk was a better choise anyway.

29 minutes ago, Reavern said:

That's only possible if FFG inexplicably did not manufacture enough SSDs that selling them all was profitable. Or FFG didn't choose a MSRP that made the SSD profitable.

That's on FFG (or more likely, Asmodee), not us.

We can't buy more SSDs because there aren't any more to buy.

YES, it IS on FFG. It IS also on FFG to decide if THEY want to produce another huge ship or not.

1 hour ago, Rune Taq said:

I'm pretty sure they said they thought about it but never pusued it. So probably didn't even get an item number. And they strongly hinted it was a ship from legend that fit the size but it was very obscure so they didn't think it would sell. ( I am almost certain they were talking about the MC90 star defender - viscount)

Btw I would have bought it but I think the Star Hawk was a better choise anyway.

The MC90 Star Cruiser and Viscount-class Star Defender/dreadnought were different ships.

MC90 Star Cruiser:

Length: 1,255 meters

"The MC90 was the first Mon Calamari Star Cruiser designed specifically as a warship."

Viscount-class Star Defender:

Length:

• 3,000 meters (battlecruiser prototype)
• 17,000 meters (dreadnought production model)

"The Viscount-class Star Defender was envisioned as the New Republic equivalent of an Executor-class Star Dreadnought. The first prototype was a 3 km long battlecruiser, and the full production model was a 17 km long dreadnought."

The Viscount would've made the most sense as the choice for the Rebel's huge ship in Armada.

I also like the Starhawk, but I don't think it was a choice between one or the other, because the SSD was announced at GenCon 2018 and released August 2019. The Starhawk (and Onager) was announced GenCon 2019 and released Jan/Feb 2020. Presumably FFG was exploring the possibility of the Viscount during 2018, but chose not to produce a Rebel huge ship, for some reason.

It's unfortunate. While it's unlikely that the Viscount would've sold as well as the SSD, I think it would've been financially successful and made Rebel players happy.

If FFG chooses to reprint the SSD, hopefully they'll revisit the Viscount. They probably learned from the production challenges encountered while developing the SSD, so that might make producing the Viscount easier/less costly.

3 hours ago, Reavern said:

The MC90 Star Cruiser and Viscount-class Star Defender/dreadnought were different ships.

MC90 Star Cruiser:

Length: 1,255 meters

"The MC90 was the first Mon Calamari Star Cruiser designed specifically as a warship."

Viscount-class Star Defender:

Length:

• 3,000 meters (battlecruiser prototype)
• 17,000 meters (dreadnought production model)

"The Viscount-class Star Defender was envisioned as the New Republic equivalent of an Executor-class Star Dreadnought. The first prototype was a 3 km long battlecruiser, and the full production model was a 17 km long dreadnought."

The Viscount would've made the most sense as the choice for the Rebel's huge ship in Armada.

I also like the Starhawk, but I don't think it was a choice between one or the other, because the SSD was announced at GenCon 2018 and released August 2019. The Starhawk (and Onager) was announced GenCon 2019 and released Jan/Feb 2020. Presumably FFG was exploring the possibility of the Viscount during 2018, but chose not to produce a Rebel huge ship, for some reason.

It's unfortunate. While it's unlikely that the Viscount would've sold as well as the SSD, I think it would've been financially successful and made Rebel players happy.

If FFG chooses to reprint the SSD, hopefully they'll revisit the Viscount. They probably learned from the production challenges encountered while developing the SSD, so that might make producing the Viscount easier/less costly.

Oh, my bad. I got my facts goofed up. The viscount was the ship they were referring to.