Just wanted to let you know that my FLGS in Mount Prospect, IL - Games Plus - just posted this:
We are taking pre-orders for these STAR WARS ARMADA items.
We have no release dates at this time.
Galactic Republic Fleet Expansion
Separatist Alliance Fleet Expansion
Republic Fighter Squadrons Expansion
Separatist Fighter Squadrons Expansion
Armada Upgrade Card Collection: Star Wars Armada
Armada Dial Pack: Star Wars Armada
Excitement!
Now they just have to tell us what those are... 🙂
Cool! We know that we'll have ships!
And fighters!
And cards!
And... fancy dials?!?!
Sweet!
I'll take 5 of everything.
I'm guessing Keyforge style upgrade packs, where you get a procedurally generated pack of upgrade cards, with random "scoundrels" which give faction locked upgrade cards to a different faction. It's like printing money for FFG!
Well that seems to confirm no new Core Set, upgrade cards which will satisfy people who don't want Clone Wars ships but want the cards, and that we'll be at least getting two or three Republic and Separatist ships in each set!
It also means plenty of lovely profit for the eBay Price Gougers, who can buy 200 fleet packs to artificially create scarcity then divide up the ships and sell them at a hefty premium.
25 minutes ago, flatpackhamster said:It also means plenty of lovely profit for the eBay Price Gougers, who can buy 200 fleet packs to artificially create scarcity then divide up the ships and sell them at a hefty premium.
So normal operating procedure for them?
Assuming that this leak is accurate... it would appear there won't be a Clone Wars Armada core set. Instead, FFG will be releasing "Fleet Expansion" packs for the Galactic Republic and Separatists. It's unclear if these fleet expansions will be akin to Starter Kits and include everything new players will need to play Armada.
I believe that because they're named "Galactic Republic Fleet Expansion" and "Separatist Fleet Expansion", instead of specific ship names, each fleet expansion will contain more than one ship and different types of ships. For example, based on the Clone Wars Armada artwork released a few months ago of an Acclamator and two Charger C70 corvettes, I predict the Republic Fleet expansion will include an Acclamator and one or two C70s. I doubt the Republic Fleet expansion will include a Venator because it's too popular. I'm certain that the Venator will be a standard ship expansion because players (like me) are going to buy A LOT of them, so it's better if its a single. Whereas combining an Acclamator and C70 into the Republic Fleet expansion makes sense.
It'll be interesting to find out what ships the Separatist Fleet expansion contains. The CIS doesn't have any well-known small ships, so my prediction is it will have a pair of Munificent star frigates, since the Munificent was the ubiquitous CIS warship and they were always deployed in numbers. I suppose a Munificent could be paired with a Recusant light destroyer or a Providence destroyer, but the Recusant wasn't as common and the Providence is comparable to a Venator, so it'll probably be released as a single ship expansion.
I just hope we don't have to wait until Wave 2 for the Providence and Venator.
The Dial Pack is interesting. Some have speculated that it contains premium themed dials, similar to X-Wing. I don't believe that theory because the listing doesn't mention a faction. I suspect that it could be just a pack containing generic Command Dials and FFG will be omitting Command Dials from future ship expansions, starting with Clone Wars Wave 1. If that is true, it makes sense. I don't think one player needs more than 10 Command Dials for a 400-point match. (I believe the only build that exceeds 10 Dials is: 10 Hammerhead Torpedo Corvettes, Dodonna or Agate, and a GR-75 Transport, which is 398 points and requires 11 dials). I have at least 50 unused Command Dials stored away. I stopped punching out the cardboard and loading them into the plastic dials over 2 years ago. I think that FFG knows that most Armada veterans don't need more Command Dials, so they're not going to include them any more, which will save a little $. (I would be surprised if they even cost $1 to manufacture.) I believe the Dial Pack is intended for new players; so if they only buy Republic and/or Separatist ships, they'll need a Dial Pack.
9 minutes ago, Reavern said:I suspect that it could be just a pack containing generic Command Dials and FFG will be omitting Command Dials from future ship expansions, starting with Clone Wars Wave 1. If that is true, it makes sense. I don't think one player needs more than 10 Command Dials for a 400-point match. (I believe the only build that exceeds 10 Dials is: 10 Hammerhead Torpedo Corvettes, Dodonna or Agate, and a GR-75 Transport, which is 398 points and requires 11 dials). I have at least 50 unused Command Dials stored away. I stopped punching out the cardboard and loading them into the plastic dials over 2 years ago. I think that FFG knows that most Armada veterans don't need more Command Dials, so they're not going to include them any more, which will save a little $. (I would be surprised if they even cost $1 to manufacture.) I believe the Dial Pack is intended for new players; so if they only buy Republic and/or Separatist ships, they'll need a Dial Pack.
That would be horrible. Yes, you might not need that many dials for a standard game, but what if you want to fly every ship in your collection? Why should you be forced to buy additional dial packs to get the dials, when you have already paid for the ships the dials should have come with?
http://www.steelstrategy.com/2020/05/leaked-product-names-numbers-what-can.html
After further consideration.
23 minutes ago, Reavern said:Assuming that this leak is accurate... it would appear there won't be a Clone Wars Armada core set. Instead, FFG will be releasing "Fleet Expansion" packs for the Galactic Republic and Separatists. It's unclear if these fleet expansions will be akin to Starter Kits and include everything new players will need to play Armada.
As someone who intends to invest in only one faction, and who already has a core set with range rulers and a damage deck, I am totally okay with this! The next wave is going to hurt my wallet, regardless. Fleet expansion pack, fighter squadron expansion pack (or two), and an upgrade card deck. Oof!
15 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:That would be horrible. Yes, you might not need that many dials for a standard game, but what if you want to fly every ship in your collection? Why should you be forced to buy additional dial packs to get the dials, when you have already paid for the ships the dials should have come with?
I agree. If I'm correct about FFG omitting Command Dials from future ship expansions, it will be horrible for new Armada players because they'll need to buy the Dial Packs just to play the game.
Or... new Armada players can ask Armada veterans for some of their spare dials. I know I have plenty of them to spare and would be glad to get rid of them!
Although, I can't imagine that FFG would be thrilled by that idea. I'm certain FFG wants the Dial Pack to sell. $$$ 😈
SSD thrawn and two Gozers need 11 dials
4 for SSD
2 for gozer
3 for Thrawn
2-3 for distribution to all ships (could get away with 2 if you use the one you revealed).
Anyways, the collection of a metric butt load of command and speed dials I have is crazy unnecessary.
32 minutes ago, Rune Taq said:SSD thrawn and two Gozers need 11 dials
4 for SSD
2 for gozer
3 for Thrawn
2-3 for distribution to all ships (could get away with 2 if you use the one you revealed).
Anyways, the collection of a metric butt load of command and speed dials I have is crazy unnecessary.
Dont forget 3 more if suprise attack!
If there truly is a surplus of dials, it makes me question why FFG would make a dial pack if not that there is going to be some change made to how dials look or operate with the release of clone wars things and the dials coming out as an independent pack are meant to provide a means for players to use the dials from Clone Wars content without having to buy the packs en lieu of the upgrade card pack.
2 hours ago, Battlefleet 01 Studios said:If there truly is a surplus of dials, it makes me question why FFG would make a dial pack if not that there is going to be some change made to how dials look or operate with the release of clone wars things and the dials coming out as an independent pack are meant to provide a means for players to use the dials from Clone Wars content without having to buy the packs en lieu of the upgrade card pack.
Because they t ruly may be just decorative
Is it possible that they may be just different colours for the clone wars dials grey for GCW and say red for CW. Maybe they are doing what they did for X-Wing with the dials having fancy plastic covers for them or just different colours like they did for the bases in X-Wing.
Well if this leak is accurate I hope FFG notices that we know and chooses to release articles on the stuff sooner rather than later.
What if they are adding a new command, or a ship that goes to speed 5? That could necessitate all of us buying a dial pack.
12 hours ago, Battlefleet 01 Studios said:If there truly is a surplus of dials, it makes me question why FFG would make a dial pack if not that there is going to be some change made to how dials look or operate with the release of clone wars things and the dials coming out as an independent pack are meant to provide a means for players to use the dials from Clone Wars content without having to buy the packs en lieu of the upgrade card pack.
It's possible that dials will be changed for Clone Wars ships. However, the fact that FFG is releasing "Fleet Expansions" instead of a Clone Wars Armada core set implies that the game is not changing significantly; 2 new factions are simply being added to Armada, similar to how new factions were added to X-Wing and Legion.
If the Clone Wars content changes how dials look and operate, presumably those new dials would be included in the Clone Wars Fleet Expansions, which would mean that the Dial Pack is for making existing Armada ships compatible with the new Clone Wars ships. However, that's inconsistent with what FFG did when the new Salvo defense token was introduced in Wave 8; extra Salvo tokens and Local Fire Control upgrade cards were included in the Starhawk and Onager ship expansions to use with other ships. So why wouldn't the Fleet Expansions include "new dials" for older ships? Why should we need to buy the Dial Pack?
Admittedly, all of this speculation is based off leaked product listings, which could be inaccurate or incomplete. The fact that only a single Dial Pack is listed, rather than dial packs for each faction, implies that the Dial Packs aren't faction-themed like X-Wing's Premium Dials. But it's possible the leaked product listing is incomplete and there are multiple dial packs.
All of this uncertainty could be resolved if FFG simply revealed Clone Wars Armada .
33 minutes ago, Reavern said:All of this uncertainty could be resolved if FFG simply revealed Clone Wars Armada .
That would be a novel idea, its not like any of us are trapped at home starving for news and could use a distraction...
I think we're overthinking this dial pack. FFG already offers this for X-Wing.
44 minutes ago, Thrindal said:What if they are adding a new command, or a ship that goes to speed 5? That could necessitate all of us buying a dial pack.
A new Command is possible. Perhaps "Force Power"? Because there will be many Jedi and Sith Commanders in the Clone Wars.
If there's a Clone Wars ship that goes speed 5, it would be simpler to only give that ship a new Speed Dial that goes up to 5. All ships wouldn't suddenly need dials that go to 5.
1 hour ago, Rmcarrier1 said:I think we're overthinking this dial pack. FFG already offers this for X-Wing.
Perhaps...
However, as I mentioned earlier, the fact that were was only one Dial Pack listed suggests that Armada isn't getting premium faction-themed dials, like X-wing has had for years (even before 2nd Edition). I acknowledged the possibility that the leaked product listing could be incomplete, so there could be more dial packs, one for each faction.
However, I have my doubts that Armada is getting faction-themed dials, for numerous reasons. The most obvious one being: Who would want them?
There's no demand for premium faction-themed Command Dials for Armada. If there's no demand from the Armada community, why would FFG believe they could sell them? A purely cosmetic Dial Pack for Armada would be completely optional, so FFG would be taking a risk in creating a new product that might not sell.
Also, X-Wing's Maneuver Dials are unique to each ship type; you can't use a TIE Fighter dial for an X-wing because their maneuvers are different and there's a risk of using the wrong dial. Whereas Armada's ships use the same 4 commands, so there's no reason why Armada Command Dials need to be distinct.