Verpine Shatter Gun?

By ImperialYeet, in Star Wars: Edge of the Empire RPG

I do not have gadgets and gear, so I'm wondering if anyone has stats? If not, I'll make my own.

Verpine Shatter Guns were in Strongholds of Resistance:

From TheOuterRim.co (not a typo)
Verpine Shatter Pistol
Verpine Shatter Rifle
Verpine Heavy Shatter Rifle

If a shatter gun is dropped or jarred, it will cease to function until repaired. While wielding a shatter gun, any combat check that generates either 2 Threat or a Despair damages the weapon by one step, as if struck by a weapon with the Sunder quality.

Thx

So Kartarn armour would be immune to Pierce?

48 minutes ago, ImperialYeet said:

So Kartarn armour would be immune to Pierce?

The Clone Commando Armor? No, not unless it has Cortosis.

Well, according to the novels, the "Mark II" armour could take a verpine round. However, its not immune to lightsabers. Thus, immune to pierce and maybe sunder sounds reasonable?

7 minutes ago, ImperialYeet said:

Well, according to the novels, the "Mark II" armour could take a verpine round. However, its not immune to lightsabers. Thus, immune to pierce and maybe sunder sounds reasonable?

1st, these books aren't canon anymore, and though borrowing heavily from legends, the rpg is based on canon

2nd, the katarn armor of CotR and KoF is the mark I armor

3 minutes ago, MB -Fr- said:

1st, these books aren't canon anymore, and though borrowing heavily from legends, the rpg is based on canon

2nd, the katarn armor of CotR and KoF is the mark I armor

Sorry, but A) CotR and KoF? B) Then theoretically, Katarn amour does not exist and it is merely RC amour

4 minutes ago, ImperialYeet said:

Sorry, but A) CotR and KoF? B) Then theoretically, Katarn amour does not exist and it is merely RC amour

C ollapse o f t he R epublic and K nights o f F ate books, katarn class commando armor. same stats and price in both books and precised to be the mark I in KoF

20 minutes ago, ImperialYeet said:

Well, according to the novels, the "Mark II" armour could take a verpine round. However, its not immune to lightsabers. Thus, immune to pierce and maybe sunder sounds reasonable?

If you're homebrewing the armor, then that would be reasonable. Perhaps it can ignore up to 5 ranks of Pierce?

12 minutes ago, MB -Fr- said:

1st, these books aren't canon anymore, and though borrowing heavily from legends, the rpg is based on canon

2nd, the katarn armor of CotR and KoF is the mark I armor

Well, it depends on the "Mark":

I: Ingore 2-4

II: Ingore 3-5

III: Ingore breach 1

That might sound slighty overkill, but it is precise

5 minutes ago, MB -Fr- said:

C ollapse o f t he R epublic and K nights o f F ate books, katarn class commando armor. same stats and price in both books and precised to be the mark I in KoF

Okay, but doesn't the books really draw from whatever source is more valid/ more info. For instance(If i am correct) the Black Sun in the core rulebook is Legend. And since they is more info regarding RCs in the novels, it seems like they would be more relevant.

1 minute ago, ImperialYeet said:

Okay, but doesn't the books really draw from whatever source is more valid/ more info. For instance(If i am correct) the Black Sun in the core rulebook is Legend. And since they is more info regarding RCs in the novels, it seems like they would be more relevant.

Honestly, suits of armor that from the start allow to ignore levels of pierce and breach w/o mods seem way too powerful imo

but that's just my opinion, you're free to homerule as you prefer

13 minutes ago, MB -Fr- said:

Honestly, suits of armor that from the start allow to ignore levels of pierce and breach w/o mods seem way too powerful imo

but that's just my opinion, you're free to homerule as you prefer

That's kinda half the point of the thread(Homerules!). And thank u P-47

1 minute ago, ImperialYeet said:

Okay, but doesn't the books really draw from whatever source is more valid/ more info. For instance(If i am correct) the Black Sun in the core rulebook is Legend. And since they is more info regarding RCs in the novels, it seems like they would be more relevant.

It really pulls information from wherever it can get it. Here're the stats from CotR: https://theouterrim.co/armor/4cc9340c-d5b8-491d-a26d-07ac8d918828/

No personal deflector shield, for one thing. If you want to make it reflect the game, add a personal deflector shield. I'd homebrew it as follows:

The PDS still provides 2 Defense as it can still deflect fire, but the main protection is provided by 1 point of armor, added onto the target's Soak. This way, something with Breach becomes significantly more effective against the target as it can now punch through the shied, though a glancing hit might still be deflected. This means that the shield provides good protection to those using it, but it also values damage over skill.

The shield retains the option to run out of power on a Despair result, and there is also the option to disable pieces of equipment on a Triumph/double Triumph, though that should, perhaps, be limited to shots that deal enough damage to get through the shield.

Then for each model of armor, I'd suggest:
Mark I: Ignore 2 points of Pierce (completely ignores Pierce from the pistol, ignores some Pierce from the rifle)
Mark II: Ignore 4 points of Pierce (completely ignores Pierce from the rifle, ignores some Pierce from the heavy rifle)
Mark III: Ignore 6 points of Pierce (completely ignores Pierce from all shatter guns)

This means that they still aren't impervious to lightsabers, but one could easily houserule that Breach = 10 points of Pierce, so ignoring Pierce 6 is equal to ignoring .6 Breach.

This armor will make your PCs incredibly durable, but if you want to reflect the books and game, this may be a good way to do it.

Thx once again

18 hours ago, MB -Fr- said:

though borrowing heavily from legends, the rpg is based on canon

No, it's really not.

4 hours ago, HappyDaze said:

No, it's really not.

Well, it started being based on what were at the time the various messy canon levels Lucasfilm used back then, and after Disney, new books started to use the unified canon.

On 5/6/2020 at 6:17 PM, ImperialYeet said:

Well, it depends on the "Mark":

I: Ingore 2-4

II: Ingore 3-5

III: Ingore breach 1

That might sound slighty overkill, but it is precise

As the armor has a defense rating, it can make an attack fail. That should be narratively enough for it being able to stop a round of anything. Also, just because the wearer takes wound damage doesn't necessarily mean that a shot has penetrated, just that the wearer got bruised and battered under the armor.
If you start adding multiple levels of soak and defense, you're going to start mucking with the game balance, making armor a lot more desirable than it already is, basically making those who want to run around in just heavy clothing or less (like most people in the movies) at a severe disadvantage.
Basically, it'll be less Star Wars, and more Warhammer 40K, but if you're fine with that, knock yourself out.