7 hours ago, Hiemfire said:

You'd probably be surprised how many 2nd Amendment supporters despise him...

Hear hear.

Wonder if anyone can draw the correct conclusion to what you will witness below. Bash the US all you want. Here's a lot of other places in the world's reality.

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8 hours ago, player4851928 said:

Wonder if anyone can draw the correct conclusion to what you will witness below. Bash the US all you want. Here's a lot of other places in the world's reality.

Wow.. Sounds like what i heard happened to a Seabee, while i was stationed out in Guam. He was home on leave (Medical, because he was in crutches), and EVEN WITH seeing him with a leg cast on, cops supposedly SHOVED him down to the ground "because he failed to instantly obey their orders to drop to the floor".. Supposedly because they thought he 'stole something' from the store he was coming out of..

Never heard if ANYTHING happened to those cops..

So i doubt we'd here anything happen here...

When there’s a demonstrated cure or vaccine in wide circulation and deaths are dropping due to one or both then it will be safe to have in-store tournaments.

Before then it just feels insanely irresponsible, and so far my flgs sees it the same way. I’m going to keep spending my money there as often as I can to support their good work.

A few other local stores have started running tournaments already and I think they’ve permanently lost my business.

edit: The number of people pushing conspiracies in this thread is extremely concerning. The deaths are under, not over-reported, and there is no safe way to just go out and catch the disease. Where are people getting this nonsense? : /

55 minutes ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

When there’s a demonstrated cure or vaccine in wide circulation and deaths are dropping due to one or both then it will be safe to have in-store tournaments.

So in your opinion, the entire world must come to a screeching halt for 2-5 years minimum. Good to know.

11 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

So in your opinion, the entire world must come to a screeching halt for 2-5 years minimum. Good to know.

Not going to or having xwing nights does not equal "world must come to a screeching halt", and equating the two is quite silly.

Xwing nights are a luxury, something you do for fun, and, as a result something you can afford to skip to keep yourself and others safe. Xwing is one of the last things that should even consider reopening, much less actually do so.

26 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

So in your opinion, the entire world must come to a screeching halt for 2-5 years minimum. Good to know.

Of course not. I’m still working a full 40. But in-person x wing isn’t the world, lol.

There are a lot of ways to do a full return to work before that date, but this country has just decided not to act so there’s going to be some economic blowback. We’re looking at probably next summer for a lot of types of events to be safe again.

In the meantime you better believe I’ll be financially supporting institutions that are opening responsibly. I work in public healthcare policy/analysis. If I’m not going out you really shouldn’t be either.

14 minutes ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

Of course not. I’m still working a full 40. But in-person x wing isn’t the world, lol.

There are a lot of ways to do a full return to work before that date, but this country has just decided not to act so there’s going to be some economic blowback. We’re looking at probably next summer for a lot of types of events to be safe again.

In the meantime you better believe I’ll be financially supporting institutions that are opening responsibly. I work in public healthcare policy/analysis. If I’m not going out you really shouldn’t be either.

Two things you seem to be missing:

1. While not the only thing, the ability to host a small gathering is indicative of far more than just xwing. Many industries and venues would fall in the same bucket. I’d argue the world is still on halt if all of them are shut down.

2. If the definition of full return is a vaccine in wide circulation, the specific definition provided that I replied to, Will most certainly be multiple years out. Assuming it’s discovered today it’s at least 18-24 months before available to the public because of necessary testing to make sure we aren’t making a worse problem with our solution.

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In my state, there is no one to support. They’re all forcibly ordered closed over and over while big box stores get to sell the same things and get to stay open because they are “essential.” My LGS is sort of improvising with an online store but they’re hurting because they can’t get new material to sell (other issues with upstream being shut down).

To be honest, with the model you’ve proposed about timeline there won’t be an xwing when we come back. Or an ffg. While that may not be “essential”, understand the implications of what you’re saying. And that the story will be true for millions of other people worldwide out of jobs that aren’t coming back.

IMO a vaccine is not a necessary condition for the return of a semblance of a level of social interactions, including X-Wing games. An effective anti-viral treatment that makes the disease manageable to a level of a solid, but non-lethal flu (and hopefully avoids the irreversible lung scar damage) would be enough and is far more likely to come first.

2 minutes ago, Mu0n729 said:

IMO a vaccine is not a necessary condition for the return of a semblance of a level of social interactions, including X-Wing games. An effective anti-viral treatment that makes the disease manageable to a level of a solid, but non-lethal flu (and hopefully avoids the irreversible lung scar damage) would be enough and is far more likely to come first.

Bingo. I work in public healthcare and I’m following Jacob Glanville’s work pretty close.

His team or one very similar are the ones who will get us out of this mess.

6 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

Two things you seem to be missing:

1. While not the only thing, the ability to host a small gathering is indicative of far more than just xwing. Many industries and venues would fall in the same bucket. I’d argue the world is still on halt if all of them are shut down.

2. If the definition of full return is a vaccine in wide circulation, the specific definition provided that I replied to, Will most certainly be multiple years out. Assuming it’s discovered today it’s at least 18-24 months before available to the public because of necessary testing to make sure we aren’t making a worse problem with our solution.

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In my state, there is no one to support. They’re all forcibly ordered closed over and over while big box stores get to sell the same things and get to stay open because they are “essential.” My LGS is sort of improvising with an online store but they’re hurting because they can’t get new material to sell (other issues with upstream being shut down).

To be honest, with the model you’ve proposed about timeline there won’t be an xwing when we come back. Or an ffg. While that may not be “essential”, understand the implications of what you’re saying. And that the story will be true for millions of other people worldwide out of jobs that aren’t coming back.

There are hundreds of vaccine trials already underway across the world. Some of them look very promising and I think for the healthcare industry we’re looking at wide distribution possibly this fall. Production ramping up will take months after that, but I did mention a cure as well.

The monoclonal antibody research out there is really promising. Most people barely get sick from this. That’s because they have antibodies already in their blood that are extremely effective. These have already been categorized and are in trials with the US and several other militaries right now. Those aren’t easy to make in huge numbers, but you could use them to treat in bad areas and cut the death rate down to almost zero. Those are possibly only months away.

Since we decided not to test and trace, we should be saving those industries that can’t be safely operated with cash until a cure or vaccine saves us. In the meantime it won’t matter if they’re legally open. The small cast of characters who will be willing to come out between now and a real solution won’t be enough to sustain those businesses anyways and a resurgence once they’ve re-engaged their payroll will kill many of them off completely.

Many industries are going to depend on us being able to put 8 people in a room while we minimise the risks and deal with any consequences of doing so.

Once you can do that in bars, restaurants, cafes, theatres, Playgrounds, theme parks, cinemas, offices etc I don’t see any reason to not also be able to do it for gaming. Why is one persons choice of recreational activity less valid or important than another persons?

The benefits of opening up and taking those *measured* risks definitely outweigh the costs in sustaining a low level of infections.

What's happening in the US is not measured risks though, it’s reckless abandonment of a duty of care. What’s happening in many European countries who have actually got on top of the problem is measured.

1 minute ago, Stay OT Leader said:

Once you can do that in bars, restaurants, cafes, theatres, Playgrounds, theme parks, cinemas, offices etc I don’t see any reason to not also be able to do it for gaming. Why is one persons choice of recreational activity less valid or important than another persons?

I bet that we'll see a second wave before the end of the year. Recreational activities of any kind, including X-Wing, will make it worse.

Waiting for a vaccine is a bit on the far end of risk aversion. But there are other methods. We can wait for established passive immunization, or until test&trace is set up, or mother measures.

Its possible, and that’s part of the measured risk that countries are taking - they know it may rebound if the infection rate gets too far above r1.0. But right now we’re at like r0.6 so there’s room to relax things and stay in control.

We know opening up will cause infections that could be avoided. We know it will cause deaths that could be avoided. But we also know that staying in lockdown will create more deaths and more hardship to more people and have a longer ongoing impact into the next few decades.

17 minutes ago, Stay OT Leader said:

Its possible, and that’s part of the measured risk that countries are taking - they know it may rebound if the infection rate gets too far above r1.0. But right now we’re at like r0.6 so there’s room to relax things and stay in control.

We know opening up will cause infections that could be avoided. We know it will cause deaths that could be avoided. But we also know that staying in lockdown will create more deaths and more hardship to more people and have a longer ongoing impact into the next few decades.

You're not wrong, but I think it would help to have a staggered relaxation. I know we do. Activities like X-Wing are among the latest that will come back - and that seems appropriate.

Plus the mentioned counter measures. The preparations for relaxation should be set in motion already. I'm not sure how much to trust various countries with that though.

38 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

Plus the mentioned counter measures. The preparations for relaxation should be set in motion already. I'm not sure how much to trust various countries with that though.

Then petition your government to suspend inbound travelers because of not trusting what the other countries are doing.

34 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

Then petition your government to suspend inbound travelers because of not trusting what the other countries are doing.

I mean, we do have armed militia soldiers with loaded guns at the borders... so: check?

6 hours ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

When there’s a demonstrated cure or vaccine in wide circulation and deaths are dropping due to one or both then it will be safe to have in-store tournaments.

We've never cured ebola, or dozens of other diseases.. Do you honestly think we will cure this in under a year??

4 hours ago, ScummyRebel said:

Two things you seem to be missing:

1. While not the only thing, the ability to host a small gathering is indicative of far more than just xwing. Many industries and venues would fall in the same bucket. I’d argue the world is still on halt if all of them are shut down.

Good point. Why is holding a 'game day in a store', any less worthy, than opening up theaters, or bars.?

2 hours ago, Stay OT Leader said:

Many industries are going to depend on us being able to put 8 people in a room while we minimise the risks and deal with any consequences of doing so.

How's about game outside if possible?? (WEATHER permitting of course)

1 hour ago, LTuser said:

How's about game outside if possible?? (WEATHER permitting of course)

Welcome to XWM 3.0. . .

2 hours ago, LTuser said:

We've never cured ebola, or dozens of other diseases.. Do you honestly think we will cure this in under a year??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RVSV-ZEBOV_vaccine

I found this an interesting reframing of the issue.. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52543692

14 hours ago, ScummyRebel said:

Then petition your government to suspend inbound travelers because of not trusting what the other countries are doing.

You don't have to fully suspend inbound travellers, what you need to do is put in place quarantine measures on those coming into a country. They go into quarantine for 14 days, and assuming no symptoms present they can then leave. This certainly puts a damper on tourism, but it means that those who need to travel are able to. Prevents the situation where people can get stuck in a foreign country because 'home' has shut the door (see: India).

16 hours ago, LTuser said:

We've never cured ebola, or dozens of other diseases.. Do you honestly think we will cure this in under a year??

We have some monoclonal antibody treatments that take Ebola mortality down below 30%. That’s really good. And we finished producing those a year or two after Ebola in the US was a real threat. This disease has probably killed over a hundred thousand Americans and it’s going to be chugging at 200k within a month or two.

So yea, I think we’ll have us a genuine cure with an 80% or more reduction in mortality by Christmas. The level of natural immunity to covid-19 is so much higher and that’s where the development starts.

6 hours ago, Stay OT Leader said:

I found this an interesting reframing of the issue.. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52543692

Well, it's really not a reframing. It's just the nicer British model of "let's protect grandma to reopen the economy" as opposed to the Texan "let's let grandma die so we can reopen the economy."

In truth, this is what is going to have to happen, at some point. Vaccines and/or meds are likely going to take longer than anyone expects, and in any event will not be 100% efficacious.

While you can't stop getting old, hopefully this will get people to take better care of themselves. This is a wake-up call that preventing preexisting conditions like obesity (which lead to diabetes, high blood pressure, compromised breathing, etc.} and ending bad habits like smoking can have both short term and long term consequences.