So, everyone seems to be digging the new set, and that seems real healthy for the game. However, I'm a bit concerned that the unique keyword on foundations makes them unplayable with Owlface still running rampant in many decks. Specificially, in the new set, we get Charismatic which a lot of people like a lot.

So, the question to the community is, will you be trading for 3/4 copies of Charismatic or will you be holding onto just 1 and trading the rest due to Owlface? Am I overreacting to Owlface? Is Charismatic overrated?

I think Charismatic is a great card. So great, that making it Unique was almost a gimme. (Who really wants to have to stare down 4 of those puppies. Reminds me of the old "I drop 4 lost memories 1st turn, you cry")

The Owlface conundrum is what makes it intriguing to me. Do you run some sort of protection against owl face?

Does begin anew start to feature because of it's ability to nuke foundations wholesale?

I'm interested to see how people deal with it.

Personally - I'll own at least 4. In some decks, I'll run 4 as well. Strangely enough, in decks where I run Red Gi, I'll only run one.

I have acquired 4 Charismatic. I will run 4 of them where I need them because having a mini-addes is still very incredibly powerful thing to have.

Owlface? Say hi to a gauntlet of Total Global Domination, Red Lotus, and Oral Dead.

GGround2?

Charismatic was my first and best pull!

It has potential alongside billiard player!

Now in all seriousness:

Oppponent plays R-> play charismatic-> next turn (or this turn) F billiard player to re-recieve charismatic-> play out returned card.

Not the fastest thing avalable by any means but still, that could be quite horrible.

At the very least w can definitely say banning addes was the right thing to do.

Cheers and merry christmas

or should I say................................... HAPPY HOLIDAYS! (bad thoughts arise!)

Both Red Lotus and Chester's Backing say NO just by turning them 90º to a foundation that blows itself up when used. So I don't think Charismatic is that great. Couple that with the fact it is Unique so you can't drop more than one at once (and yes, with owlface flying around, it makes it worse) and the action side has a hefty cost that can be negated almost as easily (red lotus, kung-fu, yoga adept, etc). And there's other anti-destruction cards like Blinding Rage and Makai High Noble.

However, there's quite a lot of ways to bait Red Lotus and Chester's, just by playing any ability that commits or destroys a foundation of choice.

For me it's another piece of the puzzle.

Charismatic alone isn't great.

Charismatic/Red Lotus of Fun/Oral Deed/Chesters Backing/Owlface all in sync are a boatload of denial.

With control, it's about staying ahead of the game and matching/prioritising control pieces with threats. Charismatic is another part of this, is an extra control piece and lets you prioritise another threat.

With Owlface around, one copy is safer (same with Giradot's). Some decks will run multiple copies when needed, other decks will surround multiple copies with Lotus/Deed protection. The action side is nothing to be sniffed at.

So in answer, it's a full playset card for me, but until I can test out control v control matchups (where Owlface + control can be matched against Lotus/Deed + control), the jury is out as to one or four copies.

Charismatic gives order a huge negation and might put it in top seat but it is still a needed card in my opinion. Plus all of the symbols it has as at least one or more answers to mentoring.

Scubadude said:

How is it a needed card? I mean yeah its really cool, and I find it to be pretty balanced with some nice answers out there, but I don't think its a card that the game "needed".

DoubleD said:

It's properly costed control. for once. haven't seen that in a while, eh?

Perfectly costed control.

Now if only I can convince them to ban Red Lotus and Chester's Backing.

Hewittzil said:

^Nail, head, that post.

Personally I'm looking at 2 as being the right number. 1 means I'm not likely to see it, four makes me likely to draw it too often. From there, three means I'm going to check one, get one into the staging area, and maybe draw the other - I'll see it pretty often. I like Unique cards at 2 - you get the just often enough (see Assassination Arts, Red Gi, etc).

On its own (and inside a vacuum), though, yeah, Charismatic is godawful. But looking at it as part of a control/counter-control suite, it's fabulously good. The best part is The Tan Scales of Doom - Order finally has hard negation. NEGATION. To quote something I've often seen on the old forums: "O BABY!"

Action side is less than impressive. And just imagine the fun in Legacy when you can now have FIVE Lost Mems in play at once!

If you pair Charismatic up with Shadaloo Crime Syndicate, you can get quite a lot out of it. For the sole reason that you can't stop Crime Syndicate. I like Charismatic, you just have to think a little bit before loading it into every deck...

Has anyone noticed that Olcadans just frankly gets rid of Charismatic if there is one in your opponents discard pile?

Set up: Opponent has one Charismatic in their staging area and one in their discard pile

Action: Form with Olcadans, add a charismatic. Since its unique one needs to be destroyed by the controling player. Destroy charismatic with the second part of Olcadans form.

Profit: No more Charismatic. Opponent net looses 1 foundation

So if Charismatic isn't protected and you have extra ones in your discard pile...yeah Olcadans can tell it to go by by.

That was inferred by the OP. I was curious on people's opinions of the card, and we've gotten some good responses back.

Tagrineth said:

Yeah it is, its kind of scary, something UFS is not used too lol. I must say that it having the Unique keyword makes it more vulnerable to Olcadan's, BUT that just means you need to find creative ways to keep it around, or run fewer of them in decks. Either way is great for the game.

We just had a podcast last nite and on it some of the people said they wont run it just because of mentoring which was funny but honestly I am still going to try to find a way to fit it in and make it work .

Antigoth said:

Or Assets.

Or decks.

Begin Anew is a swiss knife.