Think we will ever get a new wrath squadron book? I would actually rather see that then a new alphabet book..

Probably not.

I don't believe Wraith Squadron has become canon, nor their stories, but I think a new Squadron called Phantom Squadron became the canon version.

All Star Wars media released since the Disney acquisition has been a part of canon, which likely means no more legends releases or stories.

Nope. That story arc died when Disney scrapped the entire expanded universe.

Shame too, their story was one of my favorites among the old EU.

yeah that whole thing kind of sucks.

Was anyone else disappointed that Alphabet Squadron was a reskinned Battlefront storyline featuring the same protagonist? I put down alphabet squadron about 3/4 of the way through. Can anyone convince me to finish it?

To be fair, a Wraith Squadron book not written by the late Aaron Allston probaly wouldn't be worth it anyway, even if it wasn't for the canon reset. I can't imagine anyone getting a handle on those characters quite as well as him.

Indeed, even when Allston was still alive, coming back to the Wraiths after a long time both in-universe and out didn't really do them any favours. Mercy Kill was fine, but it wasn't great. Regrettably, I can't really tell you the plot or who the major villain was. The only things I can remember about it are something very confusing about two Wraith Squadrons, Face faking his death, Runt actually dying, a weird internal monologue that made Piggy and Runt out to have been best friends retroactively even though they pretty much never interacted in the other books and it being the book were minor NJO character Bhindi Drayson dies.

On 4/6/2020 at 7:38 PM, GuacCousteau said:

To be fair, a Wraith Squadron book not written by the late Aaron Allston probaly wouldn't be worth it anyway, even if it wasn't for the canon reset. I can't imagine anyone getting a handle on those characters quite as well as him.

Indeed, even when Allston was still alive, coming back to the Wraiths after a long time both in-universe and out didn't really do them any favours. Mercy Kill was fine, but it wasn't great. Regrettably, I can't really tell you the plot or who the major villain was. The only things I can remember about it are something very confusing about two Wraith Squadrons, Face faking his death, Runt actually dying, a weird internal monologue that made Piggy and Runt out to have been best friends retroactively even though they pretty much never interacted in the other books and it being the book were minor NJO character Bhindi Drayson dies.

That's more than I remembered. I loved the 3-part Wraith Squadron Series ( Wraith Squadron , Iron Fist , and Solo Command ) but Mercy Kill didn't feel right to me, nor was it entertaining. Sadly.

On 4/6/2020 at 7:38 PM, GuacCousteau said:

To be fair, a Wraith Squadron book not written by the late Aaron Allston probaly wouldn't be worth it anyway, even if it wasn't for the canon reset. I can't imagine anyone getting a handle on those characters quite as well as him.

Indeed, even when Allston was still alive, coming back to the Wraiths after a long time both in-universe and out didn't really do them any favours. Mercy Kill was fine, but it wasn't great. Regrettably, I can't really tell you the plot or who the major villain was. The only things I can remember about it are something very confusing about two Wraith Squadrons, Face faking his death, Runt actually dying, a weird internal monologue that made Piggy and Runt out to have been best friends retroactively even though they pretty much never interacted in the other books and it being the book were minor NJO character Bhindi Drayson dies.

Mercy Kill does not deserve to be an X-Wing book -- there are a bunch of other very good X-Wing books.

RIP Aaron Allston.

13 hours ago, Parakitor said:

That's more than I remembered. I loved the 3-part Wraith Squadron Series ( Wraith Squadron , Iron Fist , and Solo Command ) but Mercy Kill didn't feel right to me, nor was it entertaining. Sadly.

I liked the first and last one, but wasn't really stoked for iron fist. For me the order of the 8 rogue/wraith squadron books would go

Wraith

Rogue

Bacta crisis

Wedge's gamble

Starfighter's of Adumar

Solo command

Krytos trap

Iron fist

Isard's revenge..

Mercy kill doesn't even make the list.

5 hours ago, Hawkstrike said:

Mercy Kill does not deserve to be an X-Wing book -- there are a bunch of other very good X-Wing books.

RIP Aaron Allston.

I was saddened when he died..

I don’t think I would want a new Wraith book to be written by the new run of authors Disney has picked up.

But since we’re down that rabbit hole... the entire x-wing series was awesome and quite probably my favorite EU material. I really liked the Wraith trilogy, but the Rogues had some great stories as well.

The liberation of Coruscant, going off as a rogue squadron (as opposed to THE Rogue Squadron), etc. My personal favorite overall still goes to Iron Fist, because of the pirate cover story ( “You robbed a bank." “We did. It was fun, too.”)

And while I would never honestly expect to see it actually happen, I would be all in on ffg releasing a pack of some Ties for the scum faction painted up like the Hawk-bat Independent Space Force. Same dial and chassis as the imp ones, but pilots like Lt Kettch, Morrt, General Kargin etc.

7 hours ago, ScummyRebel said:

Lt Kettch

"Yub, Yub, Commander."

Still makes me giggle. 😀 I'd like to add that the Starfighter's of Adumar book had some of my favorite parts of the whole series.

My only gripe with the series is the numbers game. 4 squadrons of enemy fighters incoming, poor bastards never stood a chance.

Otherwise some of the strongest character designs in the entirety of the EU

8 hours ago, ScummyRebel said:

But since we’re down that rabbit hole... the entire x-wing series was awesome and quite probably my favorite EU material. I really liked the Wraith trilogy, but the Rogues had some great stories as well.

Some of my SW friends, love them MORE Than they do the Zahn trilogy, that started the whole EU a-fire..

I do thing the X-Wing series is the best EU Star Wars. Rogues, Wraiths, and Starfightrs of Adumaar.

The Rogue Squadron comic series is some of the strongest stuff from when Dark Horse had the comics license.

Those books at always high on the what-to-read-from-the-EU lists. They get a lot of things right. They have held up well.

On 4/9/2020 at 7:20 AM, LTuser said:

I liked the first and last one, but wasn't really stoked for iron fist.

Whaaaaaat?

Iron Fist is one of the best. Probably my second favourite after Starfighters of Adumar.

Making Face a viewpoint character was one of the best decisions in the series, I think he's a way better protagonist than Kell or Myn, and probably even beats out Corran. And the scenes between him and Ton Phanon are some of the best in the whole EU. Honestly, the bit were Face watches Ton get rejected at Runt's cheer up dance for the umpteenth time, laugh it off and then break silently and subtly inside is such a good character moment that wouldn't be out of place in 'higher brow' literature. Then of course, there's that scene later...

17 hours ago, Nspace said:

Still makes me giggle. 😀 I'd like to add that the Starfighter's of Adumar book had some of my favorite parts of the whole series.

Starfighters of Adumar is pretty much my favourite book. Not just in the series. Not just in the EU. But generally.

The plot on the whole is pretty silly, and an incredibly transparent way to make pilot background characters relevant. But it's so funny. So many quotes are burned into my brain.

"Oh come on Wedge, it's obvious they adore you. You could throw up on yourself and they'd love it. By the end of the night they'd all be doing it. They'd call it the Wedge Purge. They'd be eating different coloured foods for variety."

16 hours ago, Nyxen said:

My only gripe with the series is the numbers game. 4 squadrons of enemy fighters incoming, poor bastards never stood a chance.

Is that really much of a thing?

In general, Star Wars tends to play up (much like X-Wing balance) that one X-Wing is generally worth two TIE Fighters. Given that the Rogues are elites, they definitely should be able to handle those odds. And I don't remember them ever being outnumbered by anything like 4 to 1 without being rescued by someone else, or by a zany plan. And they do at least take casualties when the odds start stacking up.

Also, both Rogue and Wraith books make a huge deal about proton torpedoes. They use them more than we see in just about any other media with X-Wings. It normally means they smoke an entire squadron of TIEs before the TIEs even get in range - but it is mentioned, if not in the X-Wing books themselves then elsewhere, that as an elite squadron the Rogues get priority allocation of torpedoes, so they're allowed to burn them at a much higher rate than other squadrons.

I've never felt the X-Wing books make the numbers too ridiculous.

Especially not when you compare it with video games like, I don't know, the Rogue Squadron games where the player shoots down dozens of TIEs themselves every mission.

2 hours ago, Frimmel said:

The Rogue Squadron comic series is some of the strongest stuff from when Dark Horse had the comics license.

Those books at always high on the what-to-read-from-the-EU lists. They get a lot of things right. They have held up well.

I love the Rogue Squadron comics, but I do think they got stronger as the series went on.

I kinda wish the first couple of arcs could have been as good as Family Ties, In the Empire's Service, Mandatory Retirement or The Masquerade.

The Rebel Opposition, Requiem for a Rogue and The Warrior Princess just don't really feel like they add much to the universe. They're extremely self contained and don't really do a whole lot of interesting stuff. Requiem for a Rogue looks especially bad these days, IMO. Just a really weird plot. By Mandatory Retirement, Stackpole had started work on the novels and it's obvious he was thinking more in terms of connected stories and long term characters.

I wish we could have got comic adaptations of the novels. I'd love to have seen the renegade Rogues' custom X-Wings in some official media.

8 hours ago, GuacCousteau said:

Whaaaaaat?

Iron Fist is one of the best. Probably my second favourite after Starfighters of Adumar.

Making Face a viewpoint character was one of the best decisions in the series, I think he's a way better protagonist than Kell or Myn, and probably even beats out Corran. And the scenes between him and Ton Phanon are some of the best in the whole EU. Honestly, the bit were Face watches Ton get rejected at Runt's cheer up dance for the umpteenth time, laugh it off and then break silently and subtly inside is such a good character moment that wouldn't be out of place in 'higher brow' literature. Then of course, there's that scene later...

Starfighters of Adumar is pretty much my favourite book. Not just in the series. Not just in the EU. But generally.

The plot on the whole is pretty silly, and an incredibly transparent way to make pilot background characters relevant. But it's so funny. So many quotes are burned into my brain.

"Oh come on Wedge, it's obvious they adore you. You could throw up on yourself and they'd love it. By the end of the night they'd all be doing it. They'd call it the Wedge Purge. They'd be eating different coloured foods for variety."

Maybe i need to a re-read of them (its been over a decade), maybe my mind might change. BUT i do agree. SFOA was funny as heck!

11 hours ago, GuacCousteau said:

11 hours ago, GuacCousteau said:

I wish we could have got comic adaptations of the novels. I'd love to have seen the renegade Rogues' custom X-Wings in some official media.

I'd like a movie, or a TV Series. Rogue Squadron would be perfect for it -- Star Wars meets Top Gun meets Black Sheep Squadron.

I'd LOVE TO see them make the Rogue/Wraith squadrons into a tv show. BUT knowing Disney, they'd stick it ONLY on their pay to watch site...