Hyperdrive classes and travel time.

By jhh3, in Star Wars: Edge of the Empire RPG

This post is just talking about hyperdrive classes and there travel times.

I use this website that is the most accurate map of the Star Wars universe, and is canon.

http://www.swgalaxymap.com

In my RPGs there’s often two bounty hunters racing to get to one planet first. I am a nerd when it comes to little things like this. If you need a rough calculation made, I would be happy to help! Let’s begin.

This is how I approach legends material. If it’s involving a character or event, it’s not canon. If it’s a planet or weapon that is not completely crazy, It’s canon.

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I gave hyperdrives a base time of 500 parsecs an hour (each grid square is 1,500 parsecs). You multiply travel times by the hyperdrive class, and then by the route. A major hyperlane (the Perlemian, Corellian, etc.) is .75, a normal hyperlane (in the CRB map, they are the little gray ones) is 1, and when there is not a clear route, it is 1.25.

This thread has most of my reasonings on the subject:

I also made a hyperspace travel time calculator based off my findings.

I measure in both Metric and Imperial, and I based the measurement off of the map in the CRBs, which is 2 grid squares per inch, or 3,000 parsecs. I also heavily use the map you link to for my calculations. To actually use my calculator, you'll have to make a copy of the sheet.

Edit 4/6/20: I have updated the sheet now, adding lists for regional modifiers. These are optional and can be circumvented by entering "1" in the cell for the modifier. I also added a "percentage to add" row, a logical addition that I somehow overlooked earlier.

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One of the nice things about my calculator is that it is scalable to whatever assumptions about hyperspace travel times you want. You just have to edit the appropriate fields.

I also use the Operation Costs house ruleset, but I changed hours in hyperspace per fuel cell to 2 from 6 given my change in length of hyperspace travel times. I also added costs to Critical Hit repairs:
Cost to repair a crit is 1,000 credits of parts*difficulty. Advantage reduces cost by 10% to a minimum of 50% base cost.
The ship can store silhouette*1,000 worth of parts without taking up cargo space. Any amount past that takes up 3 Encumbrance per 1,000 credits' worth.
To acquire more parts, you must either salvage them (adds Setback to repairs, further modified based on the check to acquire) or purchase them in port.
I also added that for Sil 5 ships, you double their fuel capacity, but each fuel cell is twice as expensive.

13 hours ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

I gave hyperdrives a base time of 500 parsecs an hour (each grid square is 1,500 parsecs). You multiply travel times by the hyperdrive class, and then by the route. A major hyperlane (the Perlemian, Corellian, etc.) is .75, a normal hyperlane (in the CRB map, they are the little gray ones) is 1, and when there is not a clear route, it is 1.25.

This thread has most of my reasonings on the subject:

I also made a hyperspace travel time calculator based off my findings.

I measure in both Metric and Imperial, and I based the measurement off of the map in the CRBs, which is 2 grid squares per inch, or 3,000 parsecs. I also heavily use the map you link to for my calculations. To actually use my calculator, you'll have to make a copy of the sheet.

I would love to discuss this further! I don't use FFGs map, because its wrong according to the canon wookieepedia. The map I use is 100% accurate with the canon. I saw Nal Hutta is in a completely wrong place.

I love the map because each planet has a direct link to the wiki, and has the coordinates. Orange planets are canon, and blue are legends.

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9 minutes ago, jhh3 said:

I would love to discuss this further! I don't use FFGs map, because its wrong according to the canon wookieepedia. The map I use is 100% accurate with the canon. I saw Nal Hutta is in a completely wrong place.

I love the map because each planet has a direct link to the wiki, and has the coordinates. Orange planets are canon, and blue are legends.

I mainly use FFG's map just for speed, but I generally look up worlds using the map you linked to before I bother with them anyway (plus, many worlds I use aren't even on FFG's map). I started making my calculations using FFG's map, and that's how I got the 6 hours per inch number.

I don't know what you mean about Nal Hutta being in completely the wrong place, though. It matches up with what's in the SW Galaxy Map.

2 hours ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

I mainly use FFG's map just for speed, but I generally look up worlds using the map you linked to before I bother with them anyway (plus, many worlds I use aren't even on FFG's map). I started making my calculations using FFG's map, and that's how I got the 6 hours per inch number.

I don't know what you mean about Nal Hutta being in completely the wrong place, though. It matches up with what's in the SW Galaxy Map.

Nal hutta is supposed to be on grid S12, on FFGs it looks to be up on L6 or something. I don't own the book, a friend has one.

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11 minutes ago, jhh3 said:

Nal hutta is supposed to be on grid S12, on FFGs it looks to be up on L6 or something. I don't own the book, a friend has one.

No, Nal Hutta's in S12. L6 has Phaeda and Ulce and that's it.

29 minutes ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

No, Nal Hutta's in S12. L6 has Phaeda and Ulce and that's it.

I must be mistaken. Like I said I don't have the book, but hope to get it soon.

I know legends gets time in hyperspace wrong. It took Han roughly 4 hours to get from Tatooine to Alderaan on a 0.5 hyperdrive, as it is stated in a canon book.

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17 hours ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

I gave hyperdrives a base time of 500 parsecs an hour (each grid square is 1,500 parsecs). You multiply travel times by the hyperdrive class, and then by the route. A major hyperlane (the Perlemian, Corellian, etc.) is .75, a normal hyperlane (in the CRB map, they are the little gray ones) is 1, and when there is not a clear route, it is 1.25.

This thread has most of my reasonings on the subject:

I also made a hyperspace travel time calculator based off my findings.

I measure in both Metric and Imperial, and I based the measurement off of the map in the CRBs, which is 2 grid squares per inch, or 3,000 parsecs. I also heavily use the map you link to for my calculations. To actually use my calculator, you'll have to make a copy of the sheet.

The 500 parsecs an hour, what class of hyperdrive is that?

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12 minutes ago, jhh3 said:

The 500 parsecs an hour, what class of hyperdrive is that?

Baseline of Class 1. Everything is multiplied by Hyperdrive class.

1 hour ago, jhh3 said:

I must be mistaken. Like I said I don't have the book, but hope to get it soon.

I know legends gets time in hyperspace wrong. It took Han roughly 4 hours to get from Tatooine to Alderaan on a 0.5 hyperdrive, as it is stated in a canon book.

The reason why it might look in the wrong place might be due to orientation of the map in question. I’ve noticed that some maps are oriented differently than others, rotated 90. Degrees either clockwise or counterclockwise.

Just now, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

Baseline of Class 1. Everything is multiplied by Hyperdrive class.

I think its a little faster. Each grid on the map is 1,500 parsecs. Han traveled 10,500 parsecs to get to Alderaan. Luke says it only took a couple of hours in a canon book. Lets say the tripe was 4 hours. That means a class 0.5 hyperdrive can travel 2,625 parsecs an hour.

Just now, Tramp Graphics said:

The reason why it might look in the wrong place might be due to orientation of the map in question. I’ve noticed that some maps are oriented differently than others, rotated 90. Degrees either clockwise or counterclockwise.

That makes sense.

Class - Parsecs- Hours

0.5 2,500 1

1.0 2,500 2

2.0 2,500 4

3.0 2,500 6

I just made it 2,500 instead of 2,625.

I'm not saying this is correct, but it might be close.

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14 minutes ago, jhh3 said:

I think its a little faster. Each grid on the map is 1,500 parsecs. Han traveled 10,500 parsecs to get to Alderaan. Luke says it only took a couple of hours in a canon book. Lets say the tripe was 4 hours. That means a class 0.5 hyperdrive can travel 2,625 parsecs an hour.

10 minutes ago, jhh3 said:

Class - Parsecs- Hours

0.5 2,500 1

1.0 2,500 2

2.0 2,500 4

3.0 2,500 6

I just made it 2,500 instead of 2,625.

I'm not saying this is correct, but it might be close.

Your numbers make sense from that source, it just seems too fast to me. It's literally 5 times as fast, allowing you to cross the galaxy in about a day if you have a good route.

What was the context of Luke's quote? Can you give me a mostly verbatim quote, or is it just something you vaguely remember? If I have the context of the quote, I may be able to more readily parse how literal it is.

I've pretty much disregarded any information we've gotten so far from the Disney canon about hyperspace travel times given the absolutely ridiculous numbers we've gotten based on a deconstruction of the travel times in TRoS.

9 hours ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

I mainly use FFG's map just for speed, but I generally look up worlds using the map you linked to before I bother with them anyway (plus, many worlds I use aren't even on FFG's map). I started making my calculations using FFG's map, and that's how I got the 6 hours per inch number.

I don't know what you mean about Nal Hutta being in completely the wrong place, though. It matches up with what's in the SW Galaxy Map.

You rotate the map 90 degrees. it is accurate

4 hours ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

Your numbers make sense from that source, it just seems too fast to me. It's literally 5 times as fast, allowing you to cross the galaxy in about a day if you have a good route.

What was the context of Luke's quote? Can you give me a mostly verbatim quote, or is it just something you vaguely remember? If I have the context of the quote, I may be able to more readily parse how literal it is.

I've pretty much disregarded any information we've gotten so far from the Disney canon about hyperspace travel times given the absolutely ridiculous numbers we've gotten based on a deconstruction of the travel times in TRoS.

Luke said something to Obi Wan "How can I learn that much in only a couple of hours?"

what source?

Just now, Daeglan said:

what source?

A canon book.

what book? saying a canon source does not tell me anything.

Just now, Daeglan said:

what book? saying a canon source does not tell me anything.

Sorry. Let me check.

Just now, Daeglan said:

what book? saying a canon source does not tell me anything.

UPDATE: According to the new canon novelisation of Star Wars: A New Hope , there was only a gap of a few hours, at most a day between the ship leaving Tatooine and their arrival at Alderaan.

Meanwhile, the old man had been lecturing Luke from the moment the ship had settled into hyperspace. They, Chewie, and the droids had migrated from the cockpit to the central hold area. Han told himself he was only hanging around nearby to make sure they didn’t get any ideas about throwing their lightsabers around.

...

Luke arched his back, and the pose was so strange Han couldn’t keep his chuckle in. The kid must have heard it because he scowled and switched the lightsaber off. “Oh, this is pointless. What can I really learn on a ship in a few hours?”
Exactly. Han dropped his mask back down over his face and returned to the circuitry in front of him.
“I do not expect you to master everything in mere minutes, and you should not expect that of yourself, either. That is a path to frustration, anger—and both are dangerous.”

ahhh so they are retconning in new travel times. Probably because people are calling them on the insane travel times in Rise of Skywalker.

Just now, Daeglan said:

ahhh so they are retconning in new travel times. Probably because people are calling them on the insane travel times in Rise of Skywalker.

What do you mean by that? The skipping thing?

Just now, jhh3 said:

What do you mean by that? The skipping thing?

No. retro continuity. Changing the established rules to fit their new paradigm. it used to be something like a day and now it is a few hours. and they have to do this because all of Rise of Skywalker is in like 16 hours. Which didnt work under the old rules