I am not sure if Gideon Hask has been shared but here he is. Link

In Canon he is actually a Commander.

Just saw him on the Fifth trooper thread.

He became a commander of a First Order ship, while being in the Inferno Squad, he was just an agent.

In Legion we have the version of him before all the fun stuff happened.

1 hour ago, oaicart said:

He became a commander of a First Order ship, while being in the Inferno Squad, he was just an agent.

No, sorry. He was given full Command rank by ISB Admiral Versio prior to events of the Battle of Jakku which put him squarely in that position during the Imperial timeline.

1 hour ago, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

No, sorry. He was given full Command rank by ISB Admiral Versio prior to events of the Battle of Jakku which put him squarely in that position during the Imperial timeline.

Ooooh! It's not even an Operative in Legion, maybe they want him to look just as an Iden Versio lackey? I guess the squad was formed prior of the events you are mentioning.

2 hours ago, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

No, sorry. He was given full Command rank by ISB Admiral Versio prior to events of the Battle of Jakku which put him squarely in that position during the Imperial timeline.

To be fair, at the time Iden and Del was in inferno squad, he was an agent. Only after they defected did he become a commander, so if they wanted a squad with all three, Hask would be an agent.

5 hours ago, oaicart said:

He became a commander of a First Order ship, while being in the Inferno Squad, he was just an agent.

In Legion we have the version of him before all the fun stuff happened.

Clearly the fun began when Anikan engaged droid fighters in the Battle of Coruscant. So the Fun was in full swing by this time.

5 hours ago, TheGoldfinch said:

To be fair, at the time Iden and Del was in inferno squad, he was an agent. Only after they defected did he become a commander, so if they wanted a squad with all three, Hask would be an agent.

Due to FFG mentioning that the standard unit leader is Seyn Marana, this version of Inferno Squad is from the Rogue One time period.

For the same cost, Gideon has a better weapon, and better rules overall (still, suppressive is nice). However, he's a leader, so you cannot put a wound on him before basic troopers. And we have to wait for the mando rules to see if it boosts Tristan in any way.

I'm trying to figure out how these are worth taking.

I know where they get the points (double the cost of single trooper for the 2 wounds + cost of their keywords and dice)

I'm assuming the clan wren will already have red dice (range 1-2) and decent leadership but tristan is a hard swallow. I was trying to figure out Gideon in a corps unit and i still think the officer and whatever heavy weapon choice the troops can take is a better deal (except maybe snow troopers) DLT and T21 are way better.

Gideon really only fits in the ISF unit but we'll still have to wait and see if he's worth taking

13 hours ago, buckero0 said:

I'm trying to figure out how these are worth taking.

I know where they get the points (double the cost of single trooper for the 2 wounds + cost of their keywords and dice)

I'm assuming the clan wren will already have red dice (range 1-2) and decent leadership but tristan is a hard swallow. I was trying to figure out Gideon in a corps unit and i still think the officer and whatever heavy weapon choice the troops can take is a better deal (except maybe snow troopers) DLT and T21 are way better.

Gideon really only fits in the ISF unit but we'll still have to wait and see if he's worth taking

Well, both are only 4 points more than the DLT-19D for the Deathtroopers, and give that extra wound. I’d say that’s pretty great value there.

The Inferno squad book has then hunting down the remnant of Saw Garreras Partisans, set shortly after Rogue One and the Death Stars destruction, I'm guessing that we are looking at that timeline for inferno squad and Iden Versio. Obviously Clan Wren is only seen , in Canon in.Season 3 and 4 of Rebels. Sabine hands over the Darksaber at then end of S4 Ep2 and afaik this is where we last see it until after Return of the Jedi (didn't want to.spoil where). So.It's clearly Sabine is based on this timeline of Sabine, id guess Clan Wren also.

8 hours ago, Derrault said:

Well, both are only 4 points more than the DLT-19D for the Deathtroopers, and give that extra wound. I’d say that’s pretty great value there.

Gideon can't go in Death troopers. He and gideon can go in the, "Inperial Special Forces" special forces unit.

Yes, that's a truly terrible name choice.

25 minutes ago, Squark said:

Gideon can't go in Death troopers. He and gideon can go in the, "Inperial Special Forces" special forces unit.

Yes, that's a truly terrible name choice.

I think he was just making a generic comparison (he also mentioned Tristen). I don't think it's a very good one, given that with the DLT trooper you are getting a Deathtrooper body and if you put Gideon on a ST unit you're getting an extra Stormtrooper body instead, but I think that's what he was getting at.

I just meant as an add on to Corps units they seem like a bad deal (Gideon) if the ISF unit is courage 1 then Gideon is a steal since they will have infiltrate the range 3 shouldn't hurt him but compared to the stormtroopers dlt and the shoretroopers t21 he's bad.

Tristan i think is priced that way because he's the only way you get range 3 in that unit and they must have red surge armor with impervious,

23 hours ago, buckero0 said:

I was trying to figure out Gideon in a corps unit and i still think the officer and whatever heavy weapon choice the troops can take is a better deal

Let's look at stormtroopers: Officer + DLT are 44 points. Gideon is 38 points.

In comparison to Gideon you get one more range on your reds (hard to say, maybe worth 2-3 points), another white attack dice on range 3 (worth 2 points), Inspire 1 (worth 3 points) and Impact 1 (worth about 1-2 points). That's worth about 8-10 points.

On the other hand Gideon enables your unit to use Coordinate: Corp Troopers. (Definitely better than Comm Relay and about as good as HQ Uplink, since it probably activates every turn when they get an order. Worth about 7-10 points?)

So let me sum this up in favor of the DLT+Officer combo: Gideon's weapon and abilties are worth 3 points less than the DLT+Officer combo. But even then, Gideon is 3 points cheaper than the combo, since he only costs 38 points! Not to mention that you still have the personal upgrade available if you take Gideon...

And that's why he might not be that bad of a deal after all.

2 hours ago, arnoldrew said:

I think he was just making a generic comparison (he also mentioned Tristen). I don't think it's a very good one, given that with the DLT trooper you are getting a Deathtrooper body and if you put Gideon on a ST unit you're getting an extra Stormtrooper body instead, but I think that's what he was getting at.

The difference in body is fairly minimalist, but yes, you’re also getting 2x the body anyway, which is certainly worth more than 1/6 additional defense. Ie 2 wounds at 3/6 > 1 wound at 4/6.

So to me Gideon Hask belongs on a Snowtrooper using Steady. (same opinion I have on Del). Because it counts as the leader you get to reliably fire his gun until the entire unit is defeated. Because you have slightly higher courage you also may not be losing actions which could allow a aim, move, shoot more often.

2 hours ago, Uetur said:

So to me Gideon Hask belongs on a Snowtrooper using Steady. (same opinion I have on Del). Because it counts as the leader you get to reliably fire his gun until the entire unit is defeated. Because you have slightly higher courage you also may not be losing actions which could allow a aim, move, shoot more often.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Adding a couple of good dice to their white dice at range 3 will make them much better at playing peekaboo with steady. Move, shoot, move back behind cover.

I was thinking Del Meeko on Snowtroopers because Steady on Range 5 seems awesome. I was thinking Gideon Hask on Shoretroopers because double Coordinate seems awesome.

1 hour ago, GooeyChewie said:

I was thinking Del Meeko on Snowtroopers because Steady on Range 5 seems awesome. I was thinking Gideon Hask on Shoretroopers because double Coordinate seems awesome.

Yeah but you have to give up that sweet T-21B trooper.

But I could see him as part of a gunline to almost recreate the mortar comms relay shenanigans of old

Snowtroopers were the only corps unit i would consider (like i said above) but it's super list dependent imo. With some commanders and operatives, you're not getting enough commands spread around anyway.

I guess we'll see what other keywords (besides infiltrate and maybe tactical ) the ISF unit has. Another T21 is going to be hard to pass up.

On 3/29/2020 at 4:29 PM, buckero0 said:

I'm trying to figure out how these are worth taking.

I know where they get the points (double the cost of single trooper for the 2 wounds + cost of their keywords and dice)

I'm assuming the clan wren will already have red dice (range 1-2) and decent leadership but tristan is a hard swallow. I was trying to figure out Gideon in a corps unit and i still think the officer and whatever heavy weapon choice the troops can take is a better deal (except maybe snow troopers) DLT and T21 are way better.

Gideon really only fits in the ISF unit but we'll still have to wait and see if he's worth taking

Officer + dlt are 44 points:

-2 wounds

-+1 courage

- 2 red dice with impact range 4.

Gideon husk is 38:

-2 wounds

-+1 courage

-2 red dice range 3

-coordinate corp.

-also let a free personal slot.

I think is pretty balance in points/ rules.

18 hours ago, GooeyChewie said:

I was thinking Del Meeko on Snowtroopers because Steady on Range 5 seems awesome. I was thinking Gideon Hask on Shoretroopers because double Coordinate seems awesome.

Is coordinate stackable?