1 hour ago, Ophion said:

Admiral Nelson.... is that you?

What dod you do to your hair?

I dunno, man. Times they are a-changing. He also learned how to spell and have proper grammar. Makes it a bit more readable IMO.

I have not seen so much in-deference in one forum. How some conclusions are made by font and card size is beyond quantifiable. Look, these cards came from(I’ll say this slow) CAME FROM AN FFG EMPLOYEE!!!!!!!! Why would they release stuff that will just be changed. Please don’t use Dodonna example, that was 3 plus years ago and the play testers are much better now. So if they gave us stuff for the public it’s good enough for me.

I dedicate my new template to this thread:

General template:

https://imgflip.com/i/3uqxjd

In 100% seriousness, @Reavern , I invite you to use this to communicate your points.

They probably won't be taken nearly so harshly.

GIVE ME THE REST!!!

9 hours ago, Snipafist said:

But the issue with that is: I can still read his/her "opinions" when the other normal non-black sheeple respond to them. What should I do about that?

I really appreciate the new cards, I want more, now. I couldnt care less if they are in the final format or not.

9 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Unless they're storing cards right now, in which case they're perfectly practical.

Also, didn't you say a while back you'd be leaving when CW came out? I don't want that to be true, but if it is those sleeves and pages were going to be wasted anyway.

And if it isn't, buy some more Liberties for the spinal armament and whatnot. Because they sure aren't going to make existing cards unplayable.

Well even if i dislike clone wars era stuff, I will probably still need to buy the expansions for the generic upgrades for use with rebels and empire.

Honestly, if Armada will go into the direction of Standard Sized upgrades cards, I'll be pissed. They take up way too much space than needed, they are more difficult (and expensive) to store, and generally they are a mess. The switch from American Mini to Standard Sized upgrade cards in X-Wing 2.0 is one of the most widely hated aspect of that release, to the point where many people just print their lists and don't bother taking their cards anymore.

Personally, I mostly ignore Standard-sized promo cards, I get rid of them instead. I already have tournament-ready lists that take up nearly the entirety of the 182cm wide table with American Mini cards. Now imagine that with standard-sized... absolute mess. And that's for 400p play, for non-standard play it'll be absurd.

Armada doesn't need Standard-sized upgrade cards. Can't think of any card that has too much text on it. And what about previous cards? Will we have to mix Mini and Standard cards? Or will Mini cards become "non-canon"? Are we getting Armada 2.0? Because if we do, I will flip and leave.

1 hour ago, Petersaber said:

Honestly, if Armada will go into the direction of Standard Sized upgrades cards, I'll be pissed. They take up way too much space than needed, they are more difficult (and expensive) to store, and generally they are a mess. The switch from American Mini to Standard Sized upgrade cards in X-Wing 2.0 is one of the most widely hated aspect of that release, to the point where many people just print their lists and don't bother taking their cards anymore.

Personally, I mostly ignore Standard-sized promo cards, I get rid of them instead. I already have tournament-ready lists that take up nearly the entirety of the 182cm wide table with American Mini cards. Now imagine that with standard-sized... absolute mess. And that's for 400p play, for non-standard play it'll be absurd.

Armada doesn't need Standard-sized upgrade cards. Can't think of any card that has too much text on it. And what about previous cards? Will we have to mix Mini and Standard cards? Or will Mini cards become "non-canon"? Are we getting Armada 2.0? Because if we do, I will flip and leave.

They wouldn’t make the mini sized cards tournament-illegal. For what it’s worth, they made this switch in Runewars and both size upgrades were legal to use.

If they do switch to standard size upgrade cards for Clone Wars, they really need to release an upgrade pack with about 3-6 copies of all the generic upgrades (1 copy of uniques) in the new size.

Dum dee dum... nice thread... everybody excited by new stuff... wait... what... how... why...

https://i.imgur.com/kypAGwh.gifv

54 minutes ago, GrandAdmiralCrunch said:

Dum dee dum... nice thread... everybody excited by new stuff... wait... what... how... why...

https://i.imgur.com/kypAGwh.gifv

Hahaha right!! I’m super excited for clone wars and..yah this thread took a turn. I wanted to read and discuss “how will it come out?” Will it be a core set? An essentials kit? What ships will be in it? What will be in waves 1+2? Etc. Haha

11 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Because with the release of Legion, they're printing a sufficient number of cards for it to be cost-effective now and everything will go this way (Legion's still relatively new, after all.)

Or because with Covid-19 crippling a bunch of industries, they're trying to simplify production/keep it in-house now for futureproofing.

Or because there's an internal event we're not privy to (some contract expired with a printing service, price change for those dimensions, etc.)

The more specific speculation gets, the more likely it is to be incorrect.

The first definition for deference in my search engine:

Submission or courteous respect given to another, often in recognition of authority. synonym: honor.

Yeah, I'll agree with that: I defer to people with more information than me in a given area, that I trust.

Why do I trust them? Because I've playtested product in the past for FFG (a good few people have, in fact) and while I don't always agree with the devs, we worked closely with them and they care about what they do.

You are highly uninformed. That's normal and fine (we all are to an extent), but the degree of confidence and attitude you brandish with that is... really kind of sad.

You should consider, if not outright deference, a dose of humility.

Likewise repeating because there is a *lot* of truth in this.

11 hours ago, Reavern said:

So the fact that I noticed there was something different about those 4 Clone Wars upgrade cards and I alone spoke up about, whereas the rest of you just said "Thank you SO much, FFG" and either didn't notice the differences in the CW cards, or chose not to say anything.

You may call that tact . I call that deferential behaviour. Look it up.

I don't need or want validation from you or anyone else. If I did, do you think I'd write what I write, how I write it? 😆

I write my posts to provide information, advice, or feedback to others, and to express my own ideas and opinions. That is what a forum is for; it's literally the definition of a forum .

Or, counterpoint, we have experience with the Dev team that you do not, and have trust for the team and the product they produce.

I'm credited in 3 waves as a Playtester for Armada, and I did that testing in the FFG meta. This means I have had the pleasure of working with Devs directly on those products (I stated as much in our Interview episode with Brooks when they came on to talk about RITR and Wave 8). So to say that i've some skin in this game as I consider the Devs friends and have an immense amount of respect for them, the work they do, and their professionalism. This isn't a matter of being some mindless cultish follower of FFG that refuses to see flaws (I'd state that I have more insight into that, than you do, as well). This is a matter of being in the know with these processes and outright informing you that you are incorrect in your assumptions. Keep in mind this is also all done within the confines of legally binding agreements with the company on what I can and cannot say.

Your statements lack backing, when dissagreed with, you begin throwing around memes and calling names instead of making reasonable statements or considering input. Being the odd one out on an idea doesn't make your right, in fact when dealing with those with a greater amount of expertise insisting on your righteousness only serves to discredite your own ideas, opinions and findings.

Did you notice something? Yes, you did. However the assumptions you jumped to, based on my experience, are incorrect. I, and others, have taken our time to inform you of this. Deal with it.

Ah gentlemen and gentlewomen, I believe we ran afoul of one of the oldest rules of the internet "Don't feed the trolls". Admittedly, I think it was a slow burn, maybe not even intensional. I'm personally inclined to chalk it up to cabin fever, he was coo coo for Co co Puffs and needed to vent a little.

20 minutes ago, Noosh said:

Ah gentlemen and gentlewomen, I believe we ran afoul of one of the oldest rules of the internet "Don't feed the trolls". Admittedly, I think it was a slow burn, maybe not even intensional. I'm personally inclined to chalk it up to cabin fever, he was coo coo for Co co Puffs and needed to vent a little.

I could go for some Cocoa Puffs about now to be honest.

8 hours ago, Petersaber said:

Honestly, if Armada will go into the direction of Standard Sized upgrades cards, I'll be pissed. They take up way too much space than needed, they are more difficult (and expensive) to store, and generally they are a mess. The switch from American Mini to Standard Sized upgrade cards in X-Wing 2.0 is one of the most widely hated aspect of that release, to the point where many people just print their lists and don't bother taking their cards anymore.

Personally, I mostly ignore Standard-sized promo cards, I get rid of them instead. I already have tournament-ready lists that take up nearly the entirety of the 182cm wide table with American Mini cards. Now imagine that with standard-sized... absolute mess. And that's for 400p play, for non-standard play it'll be absurd.

Armada doesn't need Standard-sized upgrade cards. Can't think of any card that has too much text on it. And what about previous cards? Will we have to mix Mini and Standard cards? Or will Mini cards become "non-canon"? Are we getting Armada 2.0? Because if we do, I will flip and leave.

Exactly the reason I quit x-wing... wasnt going to waste money "converting" ships i already had everything for into tourney legal ship.

Armada fleets easily can cover a lot of space with the mini upgrades... standard size will be a cluster and all online is garbage in my opinion... I want the physical cards there.

19 hours ago, Reavern said:

So the fact that I noticed there was something different about those 4 Clone Wars upgrade cards and I alone spoke up about, whereas the rest of you just said "Thank you SO much, FFG" and either didn't notice the differences in the CW cards, or chose not to say anything.

You may call that tact . I call that deferential behaviour. Look it up.

I don't need or want validation from you or anyone else. If I did, do you think I'd write what I write, how I write it? 😆

I write my posts to provide information, advice, or feedback to others, and to express my own ideas and opinions. That is what a forum is for; it's literally the definition of a forum .

It's not what you saw, and what you said, it's how you said it.

You were rude, confrontational, and deaf to others posting. You had your rant, and at the end of the day people will disagree or agree with you, your an adult (at least I assume you're anyway) so you need to learn others can disagree with you and you need to just continue.

Finally, "I don't need or want validation from you or anyone else." - If this was the case there wouldn't be near 3 pages worth of your ramblings about the cards, you would've said your piece happy you're right and others are blind to the cards. As jabba pointed out a few pages back the cards do look off compared to normal, no one disagrees with you, only how you presented it.

20 hours ago, GiledPallaeon said:

Deference (per Merriam Webster): respect and esteem due a superior or an elder

Not sure what about that is so wrong.

Next time try digging a little deeper than the first Google result.

Deference: A disposition or tendency to yield to the will of others.

Deference: Polite submission and respect.

Deference: The willingness to carry out the wishes of others. "By tidying his room, he showed deference to his mother ."

Synonyms & Antonyms for deference

Synonyms: acquiescence, biddability, compliance, compliancy, docility, obedience, submissiveness

If you're proud to embody those traits, fine, be who you are.

Antonyms: defiance, disobedience, intractability, recalcitrance

I'm resolute and proud to be who I am.

I live by my personal messiah's supreme example:

Larger 2.0 Xwing upgrades were an awful idea with extraordinarily little upside, with massive downsides on waste of space, waste of paper/plastic (I now have a huge collection of useless 2.0 upgrades), they take up a little more room on board.

The font is not much larger for people with poor eyesight, so it really doesn't do anyone much good, even if the redesign is moderately pleasant to to look at.

4 hours ago, Reavern said:

Next time try digging a little deeper than the first Google result.

Deference: A disposition or tendency to yield to the will of others.

Deference: Polite submission and respect.

Deference: The willingness to carry out the wishes of others. "By tidying his room, he showed deference to his mother ."

Synonyms & Antonyms for deference

Synonyms: acquiescence, biddability, compliance, compliancy, docility, obedience, submissiveness

If you're proud to embody those traits, fine, be who you are.

Antonyms: defiance, disobedience, intractability, recalcitrance

I'm resolute and proud to be who I am.

I live by my personal messiah's supreme example.

Alright, you're clearly having a hard time reading, so let me break this down for you in a way you can't escape.

First, I didn't Google deference. My vocabulary doesn't come out of a search engine, it comes out of education. That's why I can summarize my points swiftly and concisely when I desire, or dive into nuanced discussions when I feel there is a subtle interplay to elaborate on. Because of that education I value reputable sources, and made the critical error of assuming anyone like you would pretend to do the same. I intentionally chose Merriam Webster for that reason. I'm sorry, it's a mistake I won't make again. I'll keep trying to avoid big three and four syllable (you know what that means right? It means sounds) words.

First link: You picked the third definition. Let's go see what the other two are:

"courteous regard for people's feelings" and "a courteous expression (by word or deed) of esteem or regard"

Let's look at how they used it in a sentence: "When you show deference to someone, you make a gesture of respect."

Ok, I'm detecting a theme here.

Second link: In your defense you did pick the first definition here. It's also the only definition. Let's look at how it's used in a phrase again. (Hint: dictionaries and thesauruses include these phrases and sentences for a reason. That reason is so people like you have something else to look at. Also their mistake, you don't read those because you don't care.)

"in deference to: Out of respect for; in consideration of."

Hmm. There's a pattern here. Let's keep going.

Third link: Again, you pick the second definition. What's the first one?

"Great respect"

Oh, this one lists synonyms: "honor, respect."

Hmmm, I wonder where this is going.

Now you didn't link the source for your synonyms and antonyms. Luckily, here a search engine is a powerful tool. You went back to Merriam Webster. But you made the same mistake you did above: you took what you wanted. You didn't actually read the paragraph (that's several sentences put together because they talk about the same thing) that explained when it was appropriate to use each synonym. Let's take a look at that paragraph:

" honor , homage , reverence , deference mean respect and esteem shown to another. honor may apply to the recognition of one's right to great respect or to any expression of such recognition. the nomination is an honor homage adds the implication of accompanying praise. paying homage to Shakespeare reverence implies profound respect mingled with love, devotion, or awe. great reverence for my father deference implies a yielding or submitting to another's judgment or preference out of respect or reverence. showed no deference to their elders "

What's the only word that showed up on all four sites (other than the original)?

It's respect.

We respect FFG because we trust them to do a good job. If we didn't, we wouldn't be here.

What you have consistently been unable to do is show anyone else any respect.

4 hours ago, Reavern said:

Antonyms: defiance, disobedience, intractability, recalcitrance

I'm resolute and proud to be who I am.

I'm going to return to this for a second. I don't know anything about you, other than that you have been a complete, unapologetic ******* to everyone else on this thread. But I'm willing to bet you're young and male. Why? Well first, you play a miniatures game, so balance of probability is male. The young is pretty easy too. You either actually hold to those principles in your daily life, or you don't, and you're a hypocrite. Odds on the last one just again as balance of probability, but that doesn't explain how you have the money to support a minis gaming hobby. Why? Because those above traits are individually firing offenses at most companies. But you have the money to pay your bills, keep a roof over your head, and food on your plate, and have some spending money left over for the game. So you either don't have a boss (unlikely) or you don't have a job, making you a high schooler or university student relying on your parents.

To be honest, I don't care who you are. You are absolutely correct, you are entirely entitled to be whoever you want to be. And everyone else is entitled to be who they want to be, which will include showing you every available door.

You were not the first to notice those details about those cards. You were not the first to raise concerns about possible balance issues for Kenobi. What you were the first to do was be an unmitigated jackass when everyone else suggested that perhaps we be patient, we assume the best of FFG because they haven't screwed us in the past, and that we be patient and see what comes. That's not a title to be proud of. You've earned a reputation in this thread, and I assure you this community is not small enough for you to escape it. Check that attitude at the door if you ever want to attend an event, or they will throw you out, and we will all agree. Get off your high horse. The lack of oxygen up there is getting to your brain.

Revearn-

Look son, you done stepped in it quite severely here. The Armada community is rather tight-knit community. Part of why you're receiving so much push back on your rants is that you've directly insulted respected community members. You're relatively new, so you may not know who you're insulting so direly, but that's really no excuse for rudeness.

Best apologize and move on, before you dig a deeper hole.

1 hour ago, Blail Blerg said:

Larger 2.0 Xwing upgrades were an awful idea with extraordinarily little upside, with massive downsides on waste of space, waste of paper/plastic (I now have a huge collection of useless 2.0 upgrades), they take up a little more room on board.

The font is not much larger for people with poor eyesight, so it really doesn't do anyone much good, even if the redesign is moderately pleasant to to look at.

I agree. My initial impression of the Clone Wars cards was that FFG decreased the font size, which I didn't like. It seems like likely FFG has increased the card size but is keeping the font size the same. One of the possible justifications for X-Wing 2.0 was FFG was trying to make the game more accessible for people with color blindness and poor eye sight; this article provides excellent insight into this topic.

If FFG is increasing the size of the upgrade cards, it seems like a missed opportunity not to proportionally increase the font size so they are easier to read for people with poor eye sight. I have 20/30 vision and don't wear glasses, but sometimes I struggle to read the upgrade cards when they're sitting on the side of the table and I'm standing over them.

Increasing the card size and increasing the font size to accommodate people with poor eye sight and making them easier to read for everyone would be a valid justification for the change -- far more valid and supportable than any arbitrary or monetary explanations for the card size change.

15 minutes ago, Reavern said:

I agree. My initial impression of the Clone Wars cards was that FFG decreased the font size, which I didn't like. It seems like likely FFG has increased the card size but is keeping the font size the same. One of the possible justifications for X-Wing 2.0 was FFG was trying to make the game more accessible for people with color blindness and poor eye sight; this article provides excellent insight into this topic.

If FFG is increasing the size of the upgrade cards, it seems like a missed opportunity not to proportionally increase the font size so they are easier to read for people with poor eye sight. I have 20/30 vision and don't wear glasses, but sometimes I struggle to read the upgrade cards when they're sitting on the side of the table and I'm standing over them.

Increasing the card size and increasing the font size to accommodate people with poor eye sight and making them easier to read for everyone would be a valid justification for the change -- far more valid and supportable than any arbitrary or monetary explanations for the card size change.

Great constructive post. Thank you.

This is an interesting point. I would apply Occam's Razor personally, and suspect that they didn't increase the font because of bureaucratic inertia rather than any malice or ill will. They may well have just not thought of it. Alternatively, there's something in the pipe that uses the space and we don't know about it yet. Also depends how their printers work if they can change card size more easily than changing text (unlikely but I've heard of stranger manufacturing quirks). Could also be a regulatory issue with the Mouse; they're pretty picky about the weirdest things.

This has quickly devolved into one of the dumbest threads on the forum.

5 hours ago, JauntyChapeau said:

This has quickly devolved into one of the dumbest threads on the forum.

You of all people know that is PATENTLY not true.

We've had FAR dumber on multiple occasions. 😁

9 hours ago, JauntyChapeau said:

This has quickly devolved into one of the dumbest threads on the forum.

Eh, we haven't quite hit full Admiral Nelson yet.

4 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

You of all people know that is PATENTLY not true.

We've had FAR dumber on multiple occasions. 😁

That sounds like a challenge. And if it is...

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!