3 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Fair, not for a great while at least. I hope.

I have heard rumblings for a while that made me think something more akin to a 1.5 was coming. On the plus side, I see nothing in the CW upgrades that suggest any major changes.

Please don't think I am ever advocating for Armada 2.0. Armada is very much the game I have been waiting decades for, and I remain firmly in the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." camp.

3 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Fair, not for a great while at least. I hope.

I have heard rumblings for a while that made me think something more akin to a 1.5 was coming. On the plus side, I see nothing in the CW upgrades that suggest any major changes.

Please don't think I am ever advocating for Armada 2.0. Armada is very much the game I have been waiting decades for, and I remain firmly in the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." camp.

55 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

How unfetch

3 hours ago, cynanbloodbane said:

I have heard rumblings for a while that made me think something more akin to a 1.5 was coming. On the plus side, I see nothing in the CW upgrades that suggest any major changes.

Please don't think I am ever advocating for Armada 2.0. Armada is very much the game I have been waiting decades for, and I remain firmly in the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." camp.

There'd be no need for Armada "1.5" or "2.0" if FFG came up with a practical way for us to replace Errata-ed cards for reprinted ones.

FFG has posted images of Errata-ed cards, presumably so we can print them off, if we choose. However, they don't seem to print these updated cards when they reprint the ship expansions. For example, does anyone have an authentic card for the revised Avenger ship title?

I own 4 ISDs, which I've bought over the years, one as recently as 2019; none of them came with the revised version of the Avenger title. I've never seen a real version of that revised card. I'm certain that the ISD has been reprinted since it was released in 2015, but apparently FFG has never printed updated versions of Errata-ed cards. Why?

Before Asmodee destroyed the Replacement Parts service, we could request replacement cards if they were missing from the expansions that we bought. Obviously that meant that FFG had spare cards in their inventory.

Why couldn't FFG/Asmodee have offered a service wherein we could send in pictures of our outdated cards, as well as proof of purchase/receipts (even a piece of photo ID, if necessary), and we could pay a nominal fee of like $1 per card, plus shipping, and FFG would mail us the updated cards. That seems feasible and still profitable for FFG/Asmodee, because those cards would be printed in the thousands and the production cost of a single card would probably be less than a penny.

That would be better than charging $40 for a "Conversion Kit" if and when Armada "2.0" is released.

3 hours ago, Reavern said:

That would be better than charging $40 for a "Conversion Kit" if and when Armada "2.0" is released.

Better for Who?

... Which makes them more money?

2 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

Better for Who?

... Which makes them more money?

Games Workshop has entered the chat

3 minutes ago, Jabby said:

Games Workshop has entered the chat

Ouch.

1 hour ago, Drasnighta said:

Better for Who?

... Which makes them more money?

Aw yes, the ol' "unabashed capitalism is great" argument. 🙄 Remind me , how is the capitalist free market working out for everyone during the COVID-19 pandemic?

Companies that make pro-consumer business decisions benefit from more satisfied and loyal customers than greedy companies that shamelessly milk their customers for as much money as possible. That's what has been happening in the AAA video gaming industry for the past 10+ years: Greedy AAA game publishers have been rushing unfinished, broken games to release to meet fiscal quarter end dates, and those games have been utter disasters and sell poorly. And/Or AAA games are ridden with predatory micro-transactions and loot boxes specifically designed to compel players into spending hundreds, sometimes thousands of dollars. Gamers have grown sick of AAA game publishers' blatant greed and terrible decisions, which is why sales are down... except for games like Doom Eternal and Jedi Fallen Order, which were consciously developed with a focus on single-player, had no MTs, and were released completed and polished; consequently, they sold extraordinarily well and they are extremely popular. This is incontrovertible proof that making quality products is best for business, whereas short-sighted greed will always backfire.

The same applies to board games. If FFG makes the mistake of taking Armada players for granted and tries to milk us for as much money as possible by releasing "Armada 2.0" Conversion Kits, it will backfire on them and inflict irreparable harm to the Armada community.

To paraphrase Princess Leia's wise words: "The more you tighten your grip, (FFG), the more (customers) will slip through your fingers."

FFG can ill afford that because the number of Armada players has been declining for years, in large part to the lack of new content and prolonged gaps between product Waves. FFG needs to reverse that trend. They're not going to do that if they keep doing the same stupid things. FFG needs to provide players with reasons to get excited for the future of Armada by finally announcing Clone Wars Armada.

Unfortunately, FFG recently announced that all unreleased products have been delayed until September (at the earliest). If the announced products aren't being released, presumably that means that FFG won't be posting product previews, gameplay walkthroughs, and other articles on the FFG site, like they've traditionally done shortly before new product releases. That means there's probably going to be a dearth of products and information for the next 4+ months. Rather than going radio silent for that whole time, FFG would be smart to announce new products, such as Clone Wars Armada, so we at least have something to talk about and, more importantly, something to look forward to.

Good news, hope , and positive diversions are things we could all use right now.

2 hours ago, Reavern said:

Aw yes, the ol' "unabashed capitalism is great" argument. 🙄 Remind me , how is the capitalist free market working out for everyone during the COVID-19 pandemic?

Of all the asinine arguments you have chosen to bukkake this thread with, this one takes the cake.

Guys can we not get another thread locked for derailing into a flame war again? If FFG sees that all their posting on the forums does is create arguments then they ain't going to do it again and we won't get nice things like this CW sneak peak again, and we don't want that to happen now do we?

3 hours ago, Reavern said:

Aw yes, the ol' "unabashed capitalism is great" argument. 🙄 Remind me , how is the capitalist free market working out for everyone during the COVID-19 pandemic?

Companies that make pro-consumer business decisions benefit from more satisfied and loyal customers than greedy companies that shamelessly milk their customers for as much money as possible. That's what has been happening in the AAA video gaming industry for the past 10+ years: Greedy AAA game publishers have been rushing unfinished, broken games to release to meet fiscal quarter end dates, and those games have been utter disasters and sell poorly. And/Or AAA games are ridden with predatory micro-transactions and loot boxes specifically designed to compel players into spending hundreds, sometimes thousands of dollars. Gamers have grown sick of AAA game publishers' blatant greed and terrible decisions, which is why sales are down... except for games like Doom Eternal and Jedi Fallen Order, which were consciously developed with a focus on single-player, had no MTs, and were released completed and polished; consequently, they sold extraordinarily well and they are extremely popular. This is incontrovertible proof that making quality products is best for business, whereas short-sighted greed will always backfire.

The same applies to board games. If FFG makes the mistake of taking Armada players for granted and tries to milk us for as much money as possible by releasing "Armada 2.0" Conversion Kits, it will backfire on them and inflict irreparable harm to the Armada community.

To paraphrase Princess Leia's wise words: "The more you tighten your grip, (FFG), the more (customers) will slip through your fingers."

FFG can ill afford that because the number of Armada players has been declining for years, in large part to the lack of new content and prolonged gaps between product Waves. FFG needs to reverse that trend. They're not going to do that if they keep doing the same stupid things. FFG needs to provide players with reasons to get excited for the future of Armada by finally announcing Clone Wars Armada.

Unfortunately, FFG recently announced that all unreleased products have been delayed until September (at the earliest). If the announced products aren't being released, presumably that means that FFG won't be posting product previews, gameplay walkthroughs, and other articles on the FFG site, like they've traditionally done shortly before new product releases. That means there's probably going to be a dearth of products and information for the next 4+ months. Rather than going radio silent for that whole time, FFG would be smart to announce new products, such as Clone Wars Armada, so we at least have something to talk about and, more importantly, something to look forward to.

Good news, hope , and positive diversions are things we could all use right now.

...Do you ever make completely unsubstantiated, positive predictions?

As for “incontrovertible proof,” not only is it only correlation, it’s cherrypicked correlation. Pokémon just charged half again more for their newest woefully unfinished product, sold well over half again more copies than the previous 2 games, beat out Fallen Order, and is now tacking on a DLC for half again the original cost, with content that would have been included in the base game 10 years ago.

Why? Because an utterly devoted, generally affluent fan base will buy whatever you put out, especially if you don’t have real competition (like those declining MT shooters do.) A small group of people will complain, a much smaller group will boycott, but in the end just about everyone will buy.

FFG has an even sweeter deal, because demand appears to seriously outstrip supply for the Star Wars IP. They increased the price of their Legion figures by 40% to switch to sprues, and there are threads complaining about scarcity already. We certainly know they can’t keep our product in stock as is. Even if new, budget-conscious Armada players would have been a thing, losing them wouldn’t prevent the shelves from being empty.

I’m not framing that as a good thing, by the way. But when you can’t make enough product to meet demand, you can do whatever the heck you want with what you do put out.

And FFG consistently, factually isn’t able to meet demand.

5 hours ago, Reavern said:

If FFG makes the mistake of taking Armada players for granted and tries to milk us for as much money as possible by releasing "Armada 2.0" Conversion Kits, it will backfire on them and inflict irreparable harm to the Armada community.

I don't necessarily disagree with this statement, but I have not yet seen ANYTHING that indicates FFG is releasing Armada 2.0 Conversion Kits. It not, then this is just another doom and gloom, and to steal @The Jabbawookie 's words, unsubstantiated prediction.

5 hours ago, Reavern said:

FFG can ill afford that because the number of Armada players has been declining for years, in large part to the lack of new content and prolonged gaps between product Waves. FFG needs to reverse that trend.

Please post the data behind the statement that the number of Armada players has been declining for years. I have seen the exact opposite in my state, so that seems like a pretty bold statement without some hard numbers behind it.

5 hours ago, Reavern said:

FFG needs to provide players with reasons to get excited for the future of Armada by finally announcing Clone Wars Armada...

...Rather than going radio silent for that whole time, FFG would be smart to announce new products, such as Clone Wars Armada, so we at least have something to talk about and, more importantly, something to look forward to.

They already announced Clone Wars: Armada... a year ago.

5 hours ago, Reavern said:

Aw yes, the ol' "unabashed capitalism is great" argument. 🙄 Remind me , how is the capitalist free market working out for everyone during the COVID-19 pandemic?

Companies that make pro-consumer business decisions benefit from more satisfied and loyal customers than greedy companies that shamelessly milk their customers for as much money as possible. That's what has been happening in the AAA video gaming industry for the past 10+ years: Greedy AAA game publishers have been rushing unfinished, broken games to release to meet fiscal quarter end dates, and those games have been utter disasters and sell poorly. And/Or AAA games are ridden with predatory micro-transactions and loot boxes specifically designed to compel players into spending hundreds, sometimes thousands of dollars. Gamers have grown sick of AAA game publishers' blatant greed and terrible decisions, which is why sales are down... except for games like Doom Eternal and Jedi Fallen Order, which were consciously developed with a focus on single-player, had no MTs, and were released completed and polished; consequently, they sold extraordinarily well and they are extremely popular. This is incontrovertible proof that making quality products is best for business, whereas short-sighted greed will always backfire.

The same applies to board games. If FFG makes the mistake of taking Armada players for granted and tries to milk us for as much money as possible by releasing "Armada 2.0" Conversion Kits, it will backfire on them and inflict irreparable harm to the Armada community.

To paraphrase Princess Leia's wise words: "The more you tighten your grip, (FFG), the more (customers) will slip through your fingers."

FFG can ill afford that because the number of Armada players has been declining for years, in large part to the lack of new content and prolonged gaps between product Waves. FFG needs to reverse that trend. They're not going to do that if they keep doing the same stupid things. FFG needs to provide players with reasons to get excited for the future of Armada by finally announcing Clone Wars Armada.

Unfortunately, FFG recently announced that all unreleased products have been delayed until September (at the earliest). If the announced products aren't being released, presumably that means that FFG won't be posting product previews, gameplay walkthroughs, and other articles on the FFG site, like they've traditionally done shortly before new product releases. That means there's probably going to be a dearth of products and information for the next 4+ months. Rather than going radio silent for that whole time, FFG would be smart to announce new products, such as Clone Wars Armada, so we at least have something to talk about and, more importantly, something to look forward to.

Good news, hope , and positive diversions are things we could all use right now.

I don’t think Dras was making a statement about the relative benefits of unfettered capitalism. He appeared to merely be saying that it would be more profitable for FFG to release a card pack or some other product that cost real money, than it would be to do a nominal-fee-card-exchange, or whatever you’re suggesting. And he’s correct. And FFG knows this too, which is, no doubt, why they haven’t done it.

Do I wish they’d print a fixed version of Rieekan, Avenger, TRCs, etc.? Sure. We all do. Am I surprised that they haven’t? No. Nor am I particularly annoyed by it. It will happen if and when it happens. Speculating about v2.0 or v1.5 or v1.5.1 of the game is... sort of wild. I don’t think anything like that is remotely necessary (though I would like to eventually see online fleet-point costing and upgrade bars, a la X-Wing... I think it could make for a more dynamic game... but I seem to be alone on that, so I’m not holding my breath). Besides, you’d better be careful about asking for reprints. They might get the spacing and kerning wrong.

As for the marketing puff pieces and regular promotional articles and all that stuff that you’re asking for: FFG wasn’t doing a very good job of that sort of thing for Armada BEFORE the world-shaking global pandemic ground the entire planet’s economy to a shuddering halt. You think they’re going to start blowing sunshine up your *** about all the Good News(!) they have to report now? Here’s the news... half (maybe more?) of the Western world is currently forcibly unemployed. The stock market is a shambles. Tens of thousands of people are dying. We’re all stuck in our houses, more or less. The market for tabletop games (which generally require GATHERINGS OF PEOPLE to play) is uncertain in general, and FFG’s production facilities are located in the country where this virus originated. Not only will they be lucky to make any September deadlines for new releases, they’re also not going to be able to restock anything (and we all know they’re behind on that, as well).

If you don’t think the Armada division of FFG is under threat, you haven’t really had a good think about it yet. In fact, I’m a bit worried for FFG in particular, and the entire non-digital gaming industry in general, to be honest. You want some Good News(!)? We all do. We’re not going to get any right now. Stop asking.

As for your disdain for unfettered capitalism, I’m not unsympathetic. The older I get, the further left I lean, and I think there might be a certain amount of poetic justice if a whole bunch of companies which have moved production to foreign countries with cheap labor end up taking massive losses from this thing. I think sending (potentially) American jobs to China to avoid paying American taxes and saving big on labor costs by paying some poor bastard pennies a day to work in less safe conditions, when you ought to be supplying Americans with living wages and health care is frankly, abhorrent. I think burning disgusting amounts of fossil fuels to ship these things across the ocean, when they could be made here, is gross. I don’t specifically blame FFG for this; I think market forces (which inherently rely on inequality) have driven them to do what they do, just as they’ve driven all the other companies to do the same. But there may be a bit of a reckoning coming, and I wouldn’t be surprised if a whole lot of companies get smushed by it, one way or another. Let’s hope it’s not the one that makes our plastic spaceships.

Alright. So back on topic, I’m looking at the clone gunner card and it may have finally just clicked.

So if you have a Confire token, Confire dial, and a nearby allied ship has a Confire token, that card allows you:

- Add 1 blue set to accuracy

- Add 1 die of a color in the pool (which would be guaranteed to have a blue now)

- reroll one die

Am I following this right?

Yes.

27 minutes ago, Church14 said:

Alright. So back on topic, I’m looking at the clone gunner card and it may have finally just clicked.

So if you have a Confire token, Confire dial, and a nearby allied ship has a Confire token, that card allows you:

- Add 1 blue set to accuracy

- Add 1 die of a color in the pool (which would be guaranteed to have a blue now)

- reroll one die

Am I following this right?

Yep. That card I'm especially curious to see what type of ship it would go on. It seems annoying that another ship has to get rid of a CF token, but if (for example) there's a clone ship with weapons team, turbolaser and red flak, you could bring some SSD-levels of hurt on a scatter squadron.

5 hours ago, Cpt ObVus said:

I don’t think Dras was making a statement about the relative benefits of unfettered capitalism. He appeared to merely be saying that it would be more profitable for FFG to release a card pack or some other product that cost real money, than it would be to do a nominal-fee-card-exchange, or whatever you’re suggesting. And he’s correct. And FFG knows this too, which is, no doubt, why they haven’t done it.

Do I wish they’d print a fixed version of Rieekan, Avenger, TRCs, etc.? Sure. We all do. Am I surprised that they haven’t? No. Nor am I particularly annoyed by it. It will happen if and when it happens. Speculating about v2.0 or v1.5 or v1.5.1 of the game is... sort of wild. I don’t think anything like that is remotely necessary (though I would like to eventually see online fleet-point costing and upgrade bars, a la X-Wing... I think it could make for a more dynamic game... but I seem to be alone on that, so I’m not holding my breath). Besides, you’d better be careful about asking for reprints. They might get the spacing and kerning wrong.

As for the marketing puff pieces and regular promotional articles and all that stuff that you’re asking for: FFG wasn’t doing a very good job of that sort of thing for Armada BEFORE the world-shaking global pandemic ground the entire planet’s economy to a shuddering halt. You think they’re going to start blowing sunshine up your *** about all the Good News(!) they have to report now? Here’s the news... half (maybe more?) of the Western world is currently forcibly unemployed. The stock market is a shambles. Tens of thousands of people are dying. We’re all stuck in our houses, more or less. The market for tabletop games (which generally require GATHERINGS OF PEOPLE to play) is uncertain in general, and FFG’s production facilities are located in the country where this virus originated. Not only will they be lucky to make any September deadlines for new releases, they’re also not going to be able to restock anything (and we all know they’re behind on that, as well).

If you don’t think the Armada division of FFG is under threat, you haven’t really had a good think about it yet. In fact, I’m a bit worried for FFG in particular, and the entire non-digital gaming industry in general, to be honest. You want some Good News(!)? We all do. We’re not going to get any right now. Stop asking.

As for your disdain for unfettered capitalism, I’m not unsympathetic. The older I get, the further left I lean, and I think there might be a certain amount of poetic justice if a whole bunch of companies which have moved production to foreign countries with cheap labor end up taking massive losses from this thing. I think sending (potentially) American jobs to China to avoid paying American taxes and saving big on labor costs by paying some poor bastard pennies a day to work in less safe conditions, when you ought to be supplying Americans with living wages and health care is frankly, abhorrent. I think burning disgusting amounts of fossil fuels to ship these things across the ocean, when they could be made here, is gross. I don’t specifically blame FFG for this; I think market forces (which inherently rely on inequality) have driven them to do what they do, just as they’ve driven all the other companies to do the same. But there may be a bit of a reckoning coming, and I wouldn’t be surprised if a whole lot of companies get smushed by it, one way or another. Let’s hope it’s not the one that makes our plastic spaceships.

David Goodhart's "The Road to Somewhere" talked in detail about that kind of thinking, and if you can get hold of a copy I think you'll enjoy it very much. It came out after the Brexit referendum and helped me grasp why the remainers and leavers had such difficulty understanding each other.

If you have the interest, Jonathan Haidt's " The Righteous Mind" talks about the influence of brain chemistry and personality on social liberalism and conservatism and works well with Goodhart's book.

Holy moly. If this thread's record of staying on track was a patients heartbeat, we would have had at least 10 strokes by now.

In all seriousness I do wonder where the moderators are. One would think that in quarantine that they'd be on here even more than usual.

8 hours ago, Admiral Calkins said:

I don't necessarily disagree with this statement, but I have not yet seen ANYTHING that indicates FFG is releasing Armada 2.0 Conversion Kits. It not, then this is just another doom and gloom, and to steal @The Jabbawookie 's words, unsubstantiated prediction.

Please post the data behind the statement that the number of Armada players has been declining for years. I have seen the exact opposite in my state, so that seems like a pretty bold statement without some hard numbers behind it.

They already announced Clone Wars: Armada... a year ago.

Sure, we can really divine a ton of information from FFG's tweet from 2019. 🙄 That mashup of the Star Wars: The Clone Wars title from the CG animated show and FFG's Star Wars Armada title is very insightful .

It certainly answers all of these questions:

1. Will Clone Wars Armada be released as a new Core Set or will it be released as a Starter/Essentials Kit with no ships or squadrons?
2. (If there is a CWA core set...) What ships and squadrons will be in the CWA core set?
3. What commanders will be in the CWA core set?
4. What do the ship cards and bases look like?
5. Will the CWA core set be released first and the rest of Wave 1 will be released 2 months later? (like Armada's launch) Or will the CWA core set and all of Wave 1 be released together? (like Legion's launch)

Those are just my Top 5 questions. I'm certain that other Armada players have more questions, and if you were truly honest , you'd admit that YOU ALL want those questions answered too. You just don't dare to ask more of FFG and act sycophantically grateful for the crumbs of information that FFG gives us a few times a year.

The reality is that if Clone Wars Armada is on track for the projected Q4 2020 release date, FFG should be capable of answering all 5 of those questions that I posted. FFG (or Asmodee) is just withholding the information because that's what they've always done. It's not tried-and-true business or marketing strategy, it's dogmatic tradition and utter lack of imagination or ambition.

You realize that other companies are constantly trying new things to market their products to people and expand their customer base? Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But at least they're always trying to innovate -- because if they're not innovating, they're stagnating . Whereas FFG's one and only marketing strategy seems to be : " We make our big announcements at GenCon." Every year. Until the end of time. That's it. How bold . FFG is really going to surprise people and "go viral" by doing the exact same thing they've always done. 🙄

13 hours ago, Reavern said:

FFG needs to provide players with reasons to get excited for the future of Armada by finally announcing Clone Wars Armada.

2 minutes ago, Reavern said:

Sure, we can really divine a ton of information from FFG's tweet from 2019. 🙄 That mashup of the Star Wars: The Clone Wars title from the CG animated show and FFG's Star Wars Armada title is very insightful .

It certainly answers all of these questions:

1. Will Clone Wars Armada be released as a new Core Set or will it be released as a Starter/Essentials Kit with no ships or squadrons?
2. (If there is a CWA core set...) What ships and squadrons will be in the CWA core set?
3. What commanders will be in the CWA core set?
4. What do the ship cards and bases look like?
5. Will the CWA core set be released first and the rest of Wave 1 will be released 2 months later? (like Armada's launch) Or will the CWA core set and all of Wave 1 be released together? (like Legion's launch)

Those are just my Top 5 questions. I'm certain that other Armada players have more questions, and if you were truly honest , you'd admit that YOU ALL want those questions answered too. You just don't dare to ask more of FFG and act sycophantically grateful for the crumbs of information that FFG gives us a few times a year.

The reality is that if Clone Wars Armada is on track for the projected Q4 2020 release date, FFG should be capable of answering all 5 of those questions that I posted. FFG (or Asmodee) is just withholding the information because that's what they've always done. It's not tried-and-true business or marketing strategy, it's dogmatic tradition and utter lack of imagination or ambition.

You realize that other companies are constantly trying new things to market their products to people and expand their custom base? Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But at least they're always trying to innovate. Whereas FFG's one and only marketing strategy seems to be : " We make our big announcements at GenCon." Every year. Until the end of time. That's it. How bold . FFG is really going to surprise people and "go viral" by doing the exact same thing they've always done. 🙄

Have they announced Clone Wars? Yes.

Have they answered all the questions we're wondering? No.

27 minutes ago, Reavern said:

Sure, we can really divine a ton of information from FFG's tweet from 2019. 🙄 That mashup of the Star Wars: The Clone Wars title from the CG animated show and FFG's Star Wars Armada title is very insightful .

It certainly answers all of these questions:

1. Will Clone Wars Armada be released as a new Core Set or will it be released as a Starter/Essentials Kit with no ships or squadrons?
2. (If there is a CWA core set...) What ships and squadrons will be in the CWA core set?
3. What commanders will be in the CWA core set?
4. What do the ship cards and bases look like?
5. Will the CWA core set be released first and the rest of Wave 1 will be released 2 months later? (like Armada's launch) Or will the CWA core set and all of Wave 1 be released together? (like Legion's launch)

Those are just my Top 5 questions. I'm certain that other Armada players have more questions, and if you were truly honest , you'd admit that YOU ALL want those questions answered too. You just don't dare to ask more of FFG and act sycophantically grateful for the crumbs of information that FFG gives us a few times a year.

The reality is that if Clone Wars Armada is on track for the projected Q4 2020 release date, FFG should be capable of answering all 5 of those questions that I posted. FFG (or Asmodee) is just withholding the information because that's what they've always done. It's not tried-and-true business or marketing strategy, it's dogmatic tradition and utter lack of imagination or ambition.

You realize that other companies are constantly trying new things to market their products to people and expand their customer base? Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But at least they're always trying to innovate -- because if they're not innovating, they're stagnating . Whereas FFG's one and only marketing strategy seems to be : " We make our big announcements at GenCon." Every year. Until the end of time. That's it. How bold . FFG is really going to surprise people and "go viral" by doing the exact same thing they've always done. 🙄

You didn't ask for insight; you specifically asked for an announcement. They provided that to you a year ago and you are still angry. Someone points that out to you and your rebuttal is to call them a sycophant. The Armada community is one of the most inviting that I have ever been apart of, but your behavior throughout this whole thread makes me think that maybe, just maybe, you would be happier playing a different game.

1 minute ago, Bertie Wooster said:

Have they announced Clone Wars? Yes.

Have they answered all the questions we're wondering? No.

I made a simple mistake of using the word "announcing" instead of "revealing".

I know that FFG announced Clone Wars Armada back in 2019. I've written many, many posts acknowledging that. Most of the posters here know that I know CWA was announced in 2019 because they replied to those posts.

Announcing a game that was a year or more away from release was adequate information at that time. But now it is 2020 and Clone Wars Armada will supposedly be released in less than 8 months. An announcement made in 2019 doesn't cut it anymore! FFG should be posting a reveal of Clone Wars Armada... before GenCon. As I said, using GenCon for all big announcements/reveals is lazy and unimaginative. It's just the status quo... over and over and over again.

You understand that other entertainment providers, like the movie, games, and comic book industries, don't only make their big announcements at conventions, like ComicCon, E3, and GDC, right? Nintendo pulled out of E3 a few years ago and started hosting their own convention. Sony announced they weren't attending this year's E3 before it was cancelled by the COVID-19 crisis. Making announcements at conventions is an old-fashioned idea. It's played out. The obvious reason is that everyone has the same unoriginal idea so there are a ton of announcements all at once and they all vie for people's attention and nothing penetrates the wall of noise. That's why Nintendo started their Nintendo Direct event so their products were in the spotlight. Nintendo didn't settle for the status quo: they innovated and it was so successful that Sony is now doing the same thing. Thereby proving that conventions are not the be all and end all of promotional venues.

In truth, in the Internet Age, the very concept of hosting an international event at a physical location wherein thousands of people from around the world need to fly there to attend is absurdly antiquated. Those thousands of people are nothing compared to the millions that watch those events online. So why does everyone keep pretending that conventions really matter?

Just in terms of FFG's products line, there's no debate that Legion and X-Wing are more popular than Armada, so any announcement/reveal of new Legion and X-Wing products are going to draw more "media coverage" and fan interest than Armada's reveals. Legion and X-Wing will invariably overshadow Armada at GenCon 2020. So what is the real value of reserving the reveal of Clone Wars Armada for GenCon?

And that's assuming that GenCon will actually happen this year. Hoping that the pandemic gets under control and the stay-at-home orders are lifted is not a viable business or marketing strategy. So what happens if GenCon is cancelled.

Considering the inflated value that both FFG and you people defending FFG place on GenCon, if the reality is that GenCon IS that important -- that it can literally make or break a board game launch -- then the logical conclusion is: IF GenCon 2020 is cancelled, FFG should wait until GenCon 2021 to reveal Clone Wars Armada, and delay CWA's release until Q3 or Q4 2021.

That's crazy and I know that's not going to happen. But that's precisely my point: GenCon is not that important. So stop pretending that it is, and defending FFG for withholding the anticipated Clone Wars Armada reveal until GenCon 2020.

Bla bla bla, continue Clone Wars Armada speculation...

So, what are the chances Armada actually makes Dukoo's solar sailer?

What are the 4 initial squadrons for each faction?

Do I finally get access to JarJar and Leutenant Ketsch?

1 hour ago, cynanbloodbane said:

Bla bla bla, continue Clone Wars Armada speculation...

So, what are the chances Armada actually makes Dukoo's solar sailer?

What are the 4 initial squadrons for each faction?

My guess:

Repubic: Deltas, V19s, N-1s, Laat/I(space version)

CIS: Vultures, Hyenas, Nantex, HMP

Duukuu's sailor is quite unique so I believe it would appear in CW's "R&V" uniques pack later, together with others like Belbullab, Rogue-class, Slave 1