5 minutes ago, bwingstrike said:

In the stream they mentioned they'd be 2 unit cards, 1 generic squad and 1 unique. (ie Clan Wren) There doesn't look like anything in the box would suggest a 2 man unit?

I may be very well be wrong tho, but unless they're multi-wound why would you want a 2 man team that isn't a sniper unit?

1. Who says there isn't some sort of sniper equivalent?

2. Who says a sniper unit is literally the only reason you would ever want a "strike team?" Seems like a pretty bizarre assertion, especially given that we already have non-sniper strike teams.

3. I don't understand "There doesn't look like anything in the box would suggest a 2 man unit?" Where are you looking? Did I not just post a quote from the article? I'm not sure how that quote could be interpreted in any other way except that there is some sort of smaller unit included, i.e. a "strike team," even if they don't have the keyword.

1 minute ago, arnoldrew said:

1. Who says there isn't some sort of sniper equivalent?

2. Who says a sniper unit is literally the only reason you would ever want a "strike team?" Seems like a pretty bizarre assertion, especially given that we already have non-sniper strike teams.

3. I don't understand "There doesn't look like anything in the box would suggest a 2 man unit?" Where are you looking? Did I not just post a quote from the article? I'm not sure how that quote could be interpreted in any other way except that there is some sort of smaller unit included, i.e. a "strike team," even if they don't have the keyword.

Listening to the stream again it appears that yes there is some form of 2 man team. So I stand corrected.

1) Looking at the image, can you see anything that looks like a sniper?

2) With regards to snipers, they are the most common choice of 2 man team by a long long way. In 8+ tournaments I've faced Sabatuer's once. A sniper team is pretty much the only 2 man team run in large numbers.

But to me a 2 man unit which needs to be range 2 to use their guns seems a bit pointless, probably would be blown off the board in 1-2 shots even with red dice.

Just now, bwingstrike said:

Listening to the stream again it appears that yes there is some form of 2 man team. So I stand corrected.

1) Looking at the image, can you see anything that looks like a sniper?

2) With regards to snipers, they are the most common choice of 2 man team by a long long way. In 8+ tournaments I've faced Sabatuer's once. A sniper team is pretty much the only 2 man team run in large numbers.

But to me a 2 man unit which needs to be range 2 to use their guns seems a bit pointless, probably would be blown off the board in 1-2 shots even with red dice.

1. Sure, all it needs is a range 4 option for people to call it a sniper (look at the B1 expansion rifle). They can also come with alternate weapons to build them with. Maybe one of the pistol-wielding generics (or the other unique) can be built with a rifle of some sort. We don't really know.

2. Sure, but that's immaterial.

Anything in the game (except heavier vehicles) can die in 1-2 shots. If the unit is so lame, then aren't you glad that you're opponent is wasting actions shooting at them? If they do happen to be strong, then your opponent has to shoot them or pay the price. It would be trivial to make a unit with 2 models that is threatening. Do you think Iden with ID10 isn't threatening? We literally know nothing about the unit, so dismissing it immediately is, frankly, kind of nonsensical.

5 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

We have seen a very similar crossover before though, just not on different Force Org slots.

The Z-6 is on three different units in two factions (Rebel Troopers, Phase 1s, and Phase 2s), but the different in price from the "extra trooper" upgrade is the same: 12 points.

That is why I said we haven't seen a crossover like 'this', with a corps and SF unit having the same weapon, otherwise I wouldn't have originally brought up the possible idea of the T-21 possibly meaning that the individual cost of each Imperial Special Forces miniature in the unit costing 13 points.

4 hours ago, buckero0 said:

I agree with this, partly, there is no scene where the Clan Wren is joining in to help the resistance. I'm surprised they didn't make more Spectre units that could join other units as uniques (Zeb, Ezra, Kanan, etc)

If you are referring to Clan Wren not making sense with them fighting alongside the Mandalorian Resistance, we see them do just that in Rebels as they all rally under Bo-Katan's banner as Mandalore to fight back against the Empire. If you instead mean the Rebellion they have a tie to Sabine who is in the Rebellion and also they do participate in the Battle of Attolan from season 3 of Rebels aiding the Rebels. As for why the other Spectures are not being represented as heavy upgrades it is likely because they will all be commander and operative options in the game likely with Hera and Ezra being commanders while Kanan and Zeb are operatives while Chopper will either be a counterpart to Hera or a detachment operative for her similar to K2 is for Cassian.

2 hours ago, arnoldrew said:

The articles says you will be able to make two units at once just like the Commandos/Scout Troopers.

" Within the Clan Wren Unit Expansion , you’ll find seven highly customizable Mandalorian miniatures—enough to deploy in two distinct units."

It seems like the unique squads will be the "strike team" equivalent.

Isn't it 4+3, with one mini being assembled as a generic dude or Tristan Wren?

This, of course, means that you might need to decide what you want when building the models and you might need 2 boxes to have full flexibility.

9 minutes ago, costi said:

Isn't it 4+3, with one mini being assembled as a generic dude or Tristan Wren?

This, of course, means that you might need to decide what you want when building the models and you might need 2 boxes to have full flexibility.

Sabines mother, can't remember her name, is the other unique as well I think. Dunno if she can be built as a generic.

16 minutes ago, arnoldrew said:

1. Sure, all it needs is a range 4 option for people to call it a sniper (look at the B1 expansion rifle). They can also come with alternate weapons to build them with. Maybe one of the pistol-wielding generics (or the other unique) can be built with a rifle of some sort. We don't really know.

2. Sure, but that's immaterial.

Anything in the game (except heavier vehicles) can die in 1-2 shots. If the unit is so lame, then aren't you glad that you're opponent is wasting actions shooting at them? If they do happen to be strong, then your opponent has to shoot them or pay the price. It would be trivial to make a unit with 2 models that is threatening. Do you think Iden with ID10 isn't threatening? We literally know nothing about the unit, so dismissing it immediately is, frankly, kind of nonsensical.

Tristan's 2 black at range 1-3 2 , 2 health, so maybe the 2 person unit could potentially have 4 health, which would be very interesting. But he's not particularly long range. And none of the other alt weapons (which I think is just Sabines mum) are known except for the melee trooper.

Everyone else has pistols, in some cases 2 of them, so they may have some form of Gunslinger?

I'm not dismissing them, I'm just struggling to see a good use for a 2 man team other than a sniper. I just think a close in 2 man unit would be very fragile. Idens a bit different, she's a commander.

Once the rules come out and we see what it looks like, who knows, perhaps the rules will make it an awesome little strike team and I'll happily run it. I'm really looking forward to this expansion, so I'd run all the options I could fit in.

12 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

That is why I said we haven't seen a crossover like 'this', with a corps and SF unit having the same weapon, otherwise I wouldn't have originally brought up the possible idea of the T-21 possibly meaning that the individual cost of each Imperial Special Forces miniature in the unit costing 13 points.

If you are referring to Clan Wren not making sense with them fighting alongside the Mandalorian Resistance, we see them do just that in Rebels as they all rally under Bo-Katan's banner as Mandalore to fight back against the Empire. If you instead mean the Rebellion they have a tie to Sabine who is in the Rebellion and also they do participate in the Battle of Attolan from season 3 of Rebels aiding the Rebels. As for why the other Spectures are not being represented as heavy upgrades it is likely because they will all be commander and operative options in the game likely with Hera and Ezra being commanders while Kanan and Zeb are operatives while Chopper will either be a counterpart to Hera or a detachment operative for her similar to K2 is for Cassian.

I remember them assaulting the big gravity ship with Ezra and Chopper at Attolan

Bo-Katan was fighting Death Watch and the remainder of Maul's forces not the Empire, but I may need to watch some of the Rebels show again.

I could see Hera and maybe Kanan being commanders, but the rest of Spectre would probably be better suited as upgrades or operatives. They could spread them out or better yet, make a unit themselves. They may have set a precedent by releasing Sabine as an operative though.

2 minutes ago, buckero0 said:

I remember them assaulting the big gravity ship with Ezra and Chopper at Attolan

Bo-Katan was fighting Death Watch and the remainder of Maul's forces not the Empire, but I may need to watch some of the Rebels show again.

I could see Hera and maybe Kanan being commanders, but the rest of Spectre would probably be better suited as upgrades or operatives. They could spread them out or better yet, make a unit themselves. They may have set a precedent by releasing Sabine as an operative though.

Bo-Katan leads house Kryse in Rebels, the whole Mandalorian focus for these units mostly come from the first two episodes of season 4 of Rebels. The only issue with Kanan being a commander is he never really lead Rebel forces and was generally against it by and large whereas Ezra actually had a position in the Rebellion and led missions as the commander in those missions, at most I think Kanan only led the one relief mission when Hera was busy testing the B-Wing prototype.

41 minutes ago, bwingstrike said:

Sabines mother, can't remember her name, is the other unique as well I think. Dunno if she can be built as a generic.

Ursula ?

52 minutes ago, costi said:

Isn't it 4+3, with one mini being assembled as a generic dude or Tristan Wren?

This, of course, means that you might need to decide what you want when building the models and you might need 2 boxes to have full flexibility.

Yeah, I guess we'll see. That may be why they've hidden the cards from us and revealed everything else, the units may have a different breakdown.

Usually there is 4+2 but with these newer type of units (Clan wren and Inferno squad) maybe they have a way Sabine can join her family and for Iden to join her buddies (Gideon and Del) for a super squad.

She's Ursa Wren.

About the minis in Clan Wrens box: We have 7, 4 "base dudes", the Beskad melee dude, Ursa and Tristan.

I guess you can have 4 + Beskad, 4 + Ursa, 4 + Tristan (Mandalorian Resistance)... or both the named characters + Sabine (family unit)? That would be cool as **** 🙂

2 hours ago, bwingstrike said:

In the stream they mentioned they'd be 2 unit cards, 1 generic squad and 1 unique. (ie Clan Wren) There doesn't look like anything in the box would suggest a 2 man unit?

I may be very well be wrong tho, but unless they're multi-wound why would you want a 2 man team that isn't a sniper unit?

sabs *cough Cough*

4 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

That is why I said we haven't seen a crossover like 'this', with a corps and SF unit having the same weapon, otherwise I wouldn't have originally brought up the possible idea of the T-21 possibly meaning that the individual cost of each Imperial Special Forces miniature in the unit costing 13 points.

Wasn't sure what exactly you meant as "like this" is fairly open to interpretation. You could have just as easily meant "two units with the same weapon upgrade" as I've interacted with people on here before who weren't aware the Z-6 was consistently priced.

But, I assume if the weapon has the same keywords and dice, it will still be X points on top of the price of an extra body, since the unit weapons and keywords should be separate. This is how Grenades and Ordinance upgrades work after all, they add a weapon with a set price, regardless of the unit they are attached to.

I'm a bit concerend that ISF might only cost 13 points. They won't feel "special" if they cost as much as a corp trooper. I will be sad, if they are basically just stormtroopers with Infiltrate.

P.S.: I want to point out that the artwork on the T21 stormtroopers looks f'ing epic. Please supply us with a wallpaper of that picture!

5 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Wasn't sure what exactly you meant as "like this" is fairly open to interpretation. You could have just as easily meant "two units with the same weapon upgrade" as I've interacted with people on here before who weren't aware the Z-6 was consistently priced.

But, I assume if the weapon has the same keywords and dice, it will still be X points on top of the price of an extra body, since the unit weapons and keywords should be separate. This is how Grenades and Ordinance upgrades work after all, they add a weapon with a set price, regardless of the unit they are attached to.

That is fair, it could have been lost a bit in the reply chain when not going back through my earlier posts so its all good. And that is my thought for the unit, though we haven't seen a crossover like it before. If they are only 52 points that would be a bit interesting especially with Scout Troopers being 8 more points than the ISF unit.

2 hours ago, Staelwulf said:

I'm a bit concerend that ISF might only cost 13 points. They won't feel "special" if they cost as much as a corp trooper. I will be sad, if they are basically just stormtroopers with Infiltrate.

P.S.: I want to point out that the artwork on the T21 stormtroopers looks f'ing epic. Please supply us with a wallpaper of that picture!

I guess there is also the chance that the ISF unit could be the cheap option while the Inferno Squad one has better keywords and options with Del Meeko and Gideon having 2 health per model which would make them stand out compared to the base unit. I could also see Inferno Squad being like a Strike Team where you need to either take Del Meeko or Gideon as the Heavy Weapon option which adds a 38 cost to the base cost of Inferno Squad.

I know that T21 art is from time ago and they even made card sleeves with them which are out of print. If you go to Deviantart you can find a number of the artists that FFG does, I know there is alot on there so you might be able to find it there.

20 hours ago, oaicart said:

She's Ursa Wren.

About the minis in Clan Wrens box: We have 7, 4 "base dudes", the Beskad melee dude, Ursa and Tristan.

I guess you can have 4 + Beskad, 4 + Ursa, 4 + Tristan (Mandalorian Resistance)... or both the named characters + Sabine (family unit)? That would be cool as **** 🙂

I do hope Ursa is a Leader upgrade and Tristan is a Heavy Weapon upgrade that way you can have a super unit with 8hit points (kind of)

Duelist is a big disappointment for me. They needed the melee version of Lethal in the game, I just don't think (so far from what we know at least) that it fits on this unit well. Of course, for all we know the Mandalorians may have Red and white for melee or something.

On the stream it was said that one of the ISF dudes can be assembled as Seyn Marana.

Nice. Seems fitting.