Points: 398/400

Commander: Kyrsta Agate (com)

Assault Objective: Surprise Attack
Defense Objective: Rift Ambush
Navigation Objective: Solar Corona

[ flagship ] Assault Frigate Mark II B (72 points)
- Kyrsta Agate (com) ( 20 points)
- Walex Blissex ( 5 points)
- Flight Controllers ( 6 points) *Snipe 4 on the 3 base E-Wings
- Boosted Comms ( 4 points)
- Reinforced Blast Doors ( 5 points)
= 112 total ship cost

CR90 Corvette A (44 points)
- Jainas Light ( 2 points)
- Intel Officer ( 7 points)
- Turbolaser Reroute Circuits ( 7 points)
= 60 total ship cost

CR90 Corvette A (44 points)
- Intel Officer ( 7 points)
- Turbolaser Reroute Circuits ( 7 points)
= 58 total ship cost

GR-75 Medium Transports (18 points)
- Bright Hope ( 2 points)
- Wedge Antilles ( 4 points) (Cloak for the generic E-wings to better leverage their shots)
= 24 total ship cost

GR-75 Medium Transports (18 points)
- Boosted Comms ( 4 points) (Tycho/Shara is the plan for this one, but of course play by ear each game depending on what needs to move/shoot most)
= 22 total ship cost

1 Corran Horn ( 22 points)
3 E-Wing Squadrons ( 45 points)
1 Tycho Celchu ( 16 points)
1 Shara Bey ( 17 points)
1 Ketsu Onyo ( 22 points)
= 122 total squadron cost

Tycho/Shara go in with Ketsu and tie up enemy fighters, ready for the snipe boys, Ketsu makes sure anyone escaping can't escape too far and thus allows Wedge (off) to keep E-wings out of trouble best he can. And if I'm facing limited squads or no squads the E-wings are also bombers along with Ketsu's double blue bomber all of which will start to add up as the game progresses.

Could maybe swap Walex for Toryn to buff the e-wings some more.. other than that I don't know but I feel it's missing something

13 hours ago, EbonHawk said:

Points: 398/400

Commander: Kyrsta Agate (com)

Assault Objective: Surprise Attack
Defense Objective: Rift Ambush
Navigation Objective: Solar Corona

[ flagship ] Assault Frigate Mark II B (72 points)
- Kyrsta Agate (com) ( 20 points)
- Walex Blissex ( 5 points)
- Flight Controllers ( 6 points) *Snipe 4 on the 3 base E-Wings
- Boosted Comms ( 4 points)
- Reinforced Blast Doors ( 5 points)
= 112 total ship cost

CR90 Corvette A (44 points)
- Jainas Light ( 2 points)
- Intel Officer ( 7 points)
- Turbolaser Reroute Circuits ( 7 points)
= 60 total ship cost

CR90 Corvette A (44 points)
- Intel Officer ( 7 points)
- Turbolaser Reroute Circuits ( 7 points)
= 58 total ship cost

GR-75 Medium Transports (18 points)
- Bright Hope ( 2 points)
- Wedge Antilles ( 4 points) (Cloak for the generic E-wings to better leverage their shots)
= 24 total ship cost

GR-75 Medium Transports (18 points)
- Boosted Comms ( 4 points) (Tycho/Shara is the plan for this one, but of course play by ear each game depending on what needs to move/shoot most)
= 22 total ship cost

1 Corran Horn ( 22 points)
3 E-Wing Squadrons ( 45 points)
1 Tycho Celchu ( 16 points)
1 Shara Bey ( 17 points)
1 Ketsu Onyo ( 22 points)
= 122 total squadron cost

Tycho/Shara go in with Ketsu and tie up enemy fighters, ready for the snipe boys, Ketsu makes sure anyone escaping can't escape too far and thus allows Wedge (off) to keep E-wings out of trouble best he can. And if I'm facing limited squads or no squads the E-wings are also bombers along with Ketsu's double blue bomber all of which will start to add up as the game progresses.

I really like where you’re starting here. However, your outgoing firepower is a bit light. There are going to be some eggs you struggle to crack. Maybe you want to glue your CR90s together and make an MC30? I dunno. I just feel like you’re going to run up against an SSD or a Starhawk, and it’ll feel like your fighters can’t beat it, and nothing in your fleet can really fight it at all, and you’re gonna be at a loss.

2 hours ago, Cpt ObVus said:

I really like where you’re starting here. However, your outgoing firepower is a bit light. There are going to be some eggs you struggle to crack. Maybe you want to glue your CR90s together and make an MC30? I dunno. I just feel like you’re going to run up against an SSD or a Starhawk, and it’ll feel like your fighters can’t beat it, and nothing in your fleet can really fight it at all, and you’re gonna be at a loss.

My plan for the big ships was Intel/overload tokens and punch through damage in small chunks, while using range/speed to navigate into weaker arcs and force their ships to move via activation advantage usually taking 2nd player.

But I do like the MC30, and gives good options for last/first think I'll try both I have a friend who'll be happy to run some hawks on vassal.

Maybe something like this:

Points: 388/400

Commander: Kyrsta Agate (com)

Assault Objective: Surprise Attack
Defense Objective: Rift Ambush
Navigation Objective: Solar Corona

[ flagship ] Assault Frigate Mark II B (72 points)
- Kyrsta Agate (com) ( 20 points)
- Walex Blissex ( 5 points)
- Flight Controllers ( 6 points)
- Boosted Comms ( 4 points)
- Reinforced Blast Doors ( 5 points)
- Linked Turbolaser Towers ( 7 points)
= 119 total ship cost

MC30c Scout Frigate (69 points)
- Admonition ( 8 points)
- Lando Calrissian (off) ( 4 points)
- Ordnance Experts ( 4 points)
- External Racks ( 3 points)
= 88 total ship cost

GR-75 Combat Retrofits (24 points)
- Bright Hope ( 2 points)
- Toryn Farr ( 7 points)
- Boosted Comms ( 4 points)
= 37 total ship cost

GR-75 Medium Transports (18 points)
- Wedge Antilles ( 4 points)
= 22 total ship cost

3 E-Wing Squadrons ( 45 points)
1 Tycho Celchu ( 16 points)
1 Shara Bey ( 17 points)
1 Ketsu Onyo ( 22 points)
1 Corran Horn ( 22 points)
= 122 total squadron cost

Some other variants

Points: 395/400

Commander: Kyrsta Agate (com)

Assault Objective: Surprise Attack
Defense Objective: Rift Ambush
Navigation Objective: Solar Corona

[ flagship ] MC75 Ordnance Cruiser (100 points)
- Kyrsta Agate (com) ( 20 points)
- Aspiration ( 3 points)
- Toryn Farr ( 7 points)
- Ordnance Experts ( 4 points)
- Electronic Countermeasures ( 7 points)
- Ordnance Pods ( 3 points)
- External Racks ( 3 points)
= 147 total ship cost

Assault Frigate Mark II B (72 points)
- Wing Commander ( 6 points) (lotta slicers in personal meta atm)
- Flight Controllers ( 6 points)
- Boosted Comms ( 4 points)
- Electronic Countermeasures ( 7 points)
- Linked Turbolaser Towers ( 7 points)
= 102 total ship cost

GR-75 Medium Transports (18 points)
- Bright Hope ( 2 points)
- Wedge Antilles ( 4 points)
= 24 total ship cost

GR-75 Medium Transports (18 points)
- Boosted Comms ( 4 points)
= 22 total ship cost

3 E-Wing Squadrons ( 45 points)
1 Tycho Celchu ( 16 points)
1 Shara Bey ( 17 points)
1 Corran Horn ( 22 points)
= 100 total squadron cost

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Faction: Rebel Alliance
Points: 396/400

Commander: Kyrsta Agate (com)

Assault Objective: Surprise Attack
Defense Objective: Rift Ambush
Navigation Objective: Solar Corona

MC80 Star Cruiser (96 points)
- Mon Karren ( 8 points)
- Toryn Farr ( 7 points)
- Gunnery Team ( 7 points)
- XI7 Turbolasers ( 6 points)
- Leading Shots ( 4 points)
= 128 total ship cost

[ flagship ] Assault Frigate Mark II B (72 points)
- Kyrsta Agate (com) ( 20 points)
- Walex Blissex ( 5 points)
- Flight Controllers ( 6 points)
- Boosted Comms ( 4 points)
- Reinforced Blast Doors ( 5 points)
- Linked Turbolaser Towers ( 7 points)
= 119 total ship cost

GR-75 Medium Transports (18 points)
- Bright Hope ( 2 points)
- Wedge Antilles ( 4 points)
= 24 total ship cost

GR-75 Medium Transports (18 points)
- Leia Organa (off) ( 3 points) (slicer protection)
- Boosted Comms ( 4 points)
= 25 total ship cost

3 E-Wing Squadrons ( 45 points)
1 Tycho Celchu ( 16 points)
1 Shara Bey ( 17 points)
1 Corran Horn ( 22 points)
= 100 total squadron cost

Can't help but think that those E-wings really want BCC...worth dropping Tyco down to a generic squad of some kind?

9 hours ago, Maturin said:

Can't help but think that those E-wings really want BCC...worth dropping Tyco down to a generic squad of some kind?

Yes I have been thinking the same, just trying to figure out to work it into the list, also need to check local tourney meta to see how prevelant heavy squads is going to be

9 hours ago, Maturin said:

Can't help but think that those E-wings really want BCC...worth dropping Tyco down to a generic squad of some kind?

Four red die bombers, and you’d add a BCC? I don’t think it’s worth it. Maybe. Seems like trying to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear to me.

BCC takes the red dice from 62% to 87.5% chance of damage. If you're relying on them for damage it's going to really help.

Adar Tallon with snipe is a really good combination.

2 hours ago, flatpackhamster said:

BCC takes the red dice from 62% to 87.5% chance of damage. If you're relying on them for damage it's going to really help.

There’s decent firepower on the ships he has already, and if you’re relying on single-red-die bombers for anti-ship attacks, you’re kind of already desperate, aren’t you? I’d call bombing with generic E-Wings an unlikely backup plan, not worth pouring more points into.

3 hours ago, Cpt ObVus said:

There’s decent firepower on the ships he has already, and if you’re relying on single-red-die bombers for anti-ship attacks, you’re kind of already desperate, aren’t you? I’d call bombing with generic E-Wings an unlikely backup plan, not worth pouring more points into.

The point is to make a list as fully capable against all comers as possible. All ship lists are very much a thing - and you’ll be facing 400 points of ships with 300 of yours. Do you want the remaining quarter of your fleet to have flaky anti-ship capabilities, or reliable ones?

BCC will turn these bombers go from “desperate backup plan” to “integral and powerful part of your battle plan”.

11 hours ago, Cpt ObVus said:

There’s decent firepower on the ships he has already, and if you’re relying on single-red-die bombers for anti-ship attacks, you’re kind of already desperate, aren’t you? I’d call bombing with generic E-Wings an unlikely backup plan, not worth pouring more points into.

For 7 pts with that size fighter wing it's - marginal. I was just providing the numbers to help make the decision.

BCC helps red dice more than any other, so if you're hoping to use red die bombers in a reliable way then bcc is worth having.

[ flagship ] Assault Frigate Mark II B (72 points)
- Kyrsta Agate (com) ( 20 points)
- Gallant Haven ( 8 points)
- Toryn Farr ( 7 points)
- Flight Controllers ( 6 points)
- Boosted Comms ( 4 points)
- Reinforced Blast Doors ( 5 points)
- Linked Turbolaser Towers ( 7 points)
= 129 total ship cost

MC30c Torpedo Frigate (63 points)
- Admonition ( 8 points)
- Lando Calrissian (off) ( 4 points)
- Ordnance Experts ( 4 points)
- H9 Turbolasers ( 8 points)
- External Racks ( 3 points)
= 90 total ship cost

GR-75 Medium Transports (18 points)
- Bright Hope ( 2 points)
- Wedge Antilles ( 4 points)
- Jamming Field ( 2 points)
= 26 total ship cost

GR-75 Medium Transports (18 points)
- Leia Organa (off) ( 3 points)
- Comms Net ( 2 points)
= 23 total ship cost

Idea being hit the squads with Haven, and GR leia if needed or Hera. Use wedge to bring the E-wings back into range of jamming field and haven so any intel/chiri etc cannot skip a-wings to attack the E's without losing most of the dmg. Admo aids in destroying ships.

1 Shara Bey ( 17 points)
1 Hera Syndulla ( 28 points)
3 E-Wing Squadrons ( 45 points)
1 Corran Horn ( 22 points)
1 Tycho Celchu ( 16 points)
= 128 total squadron cost

396/400

the other idea is:

[ flagship ] Assault Frigate Mark II B (72 points)
- Kyrsta Agate (com) ( 20 points)
- Toryn Farr ( 7 points)
- Flight Controllers ( 6 points)
- Boosted Comms ( 4 points)
- Reinforced Blast Doors ( 5 points)
= 114 total ship cost

MC30c Torpedo Frigate (63 points)
- Admonition ( 8 points)
- Ordnance Experts ( 4 points)
- External Racks ( 3 points)
= 78 total ship cost

CR90 Corvette A (44 points)
- Intel Officer ( 7 points)
- Turbolaser Reroute Circuits ( 7 points)
= 58 total ship cost

GR-75 Medium Transports (18 points)
- Wedge Antilles ( 4 points)
= 22 total ship cost

1 Corran Horn ( 22 points)
3 E-Wing Squadrons ( 45 points)
1 Shara Bey ( 17 points)
1 Tycho Celchu ( 16 points)
1 Hera Syndulla ( 28 points)
= 128 total squadron cost

400/400

1 hour ago, EbonHawk said:

[ flagship ] Assault Frigate Mark II B (72 points)
- Kyrsta Agate (com) ( 20 points)
- Gallant Haven ( 8 points)
- Toryn Farr ( 7 points)
- Flight Controllers ( 6 points)
- Boosted Comms ( 4 points)
- Reinforced Blast Doors ( 5 points)
- Linked Turbolaser Towers ( 7 points)
= 129 total ship cost

MC30c Torpedo Frigate (63 points)
- Admonition ( 8 points)
- Lando Calrissian (off) ( 4 points)
- Ordnance Experts ( 4 points)
- H9 Turbolasers ( 8 points)
- External Racks ( 3 points)
= 90 total ship cost

GR-75 Medium Transports (18 points)
- Bright Hope ( 2 points)
- Wedge Antilles ( 4 points)
- Jamming Field ( 2 points)
= 26 total ship cost

GR-75 Medium Transports (18 points)
- Leia Organa (off) ( 3 points)
- Comms Net ( 2 points)
= 23 total ship cost

Idea being hit the squads with Haven, and GR leia if needed or Hera. Use wedge to bring the E-wings back into range of jamming field and haven so any intel/chiri etc cannot skip a-wings to attack the E's without losing most of the dmg. Admo aids in destroying ships.

1 Shara Bey ( 17 points)
1 Hera Syndulla ( 28 points)
3 E-Wing Squadrons ( 45 points)
1 Corran Horn ( 22 points)
1 Tycho Celchu ( 16 points)
= 128 total squadron cost

396/400

I feel like you’re really on to something with this one. It’d be nice if you could get in a bit more of a bid for Admonition. I find Lando to be a bit unreliable (probably not a popular opinion), and I think H9s are good here, but not strictly necessary. You could also look at trimming Hera for Jan, giving your E-Wings a bit more survivability, but it means your GR75s have to take on a bit more carrier duty. If you REALLY want to save points, you could cut Hera for Rogue Squadron, even.

I only really value the bid for 1st when I’m flying GSDs, MC30s and those sorts of black-die-throwing ships. I find my killing power with them goes through the roof. I’m sure some players have learned to make them work without a bid, however, and if you’re comfy with Admonition in that context, run it as-is. It’s a good looking list!

19 hours ago, Cpt ObVus said:

You could also look at trimming Hera for Jan, giving your E-Wings a bit more survivability, but it means your GR75s have to take on a bit more carrier duty. If you REALLY want to save points, you could cut Hera for Rogue Squadron, even.

This is something I've been looking at, especially as minus Biggs E's still have the X-wing hull.

Think a variant on the Haven list, dropping the title for more GR flexibility