20 minutes ago, buckero0 said:

I would vote no to this. I probably haven't played in 15+ months and haven't misses it. Imperial Assault skirmish on the other hand, I miss quite a bit.

Also anecdotal. 😉

13 hours ago, Rmcarrier1 said:

Also anecdotal. 😉

E 😌 xactly

15 hours ago, Icelom said:

not shocked... the new ships that release for x-wing are in such limited stock it makes legion look plentiful. When stores are ordering in 30 ships and getting 5.... ya sales may not be as high as they could be. (that is all before corona). There are local people here that still do not have ships from a release almost a year ago.

No products available = no sales.

That being said legion is well on its way to having no product available (even worse then x-wing here in Canada as we did not even receive B2's and sabers)

FFG desperately needs to get its supply chain fixed or they are going to torpedo there own games. No one wants to play a game they cant get product for.

Though to be honest we've run into this a bit in legion, especially lately

Even with the supply issues, Legion is easier to buy stuff for than it was to shop for minis games in the 90’s. Just saying.

Unless you lived in a big city in England and played GW at least.

16 hours ago, Icelom said:

FFG desperately needs to get its supply chain fixed or they are going to torpedo there own games. No one wants to play a game they cant get product for.

The only thing Asmodee doesn't own is the factory that makes the stuff and the FLGS that sells it. If they can't get stock through the system i'm not sure who they can blame but themselves.

It might be that low stock and higher prices will mean that Legion faces a similar fate to X-Wing?

2 hours ago, Empire On Ice said:

The only thing Asmodee doesn't own is the factory that makes the stuff and the FLGS that sells it. If they can't get stock through the system i'm not sure who they can blame but themselves.

Really? They own all the ports and employ all the dock workers? They own trans pacific shipping container vessels? They own trucking companies and employ thousands of CDL class A drivers?

Delays happen with a lot of products and companies, for a variety of reasons. Sure, Asmodee seems to be going through a rough patch right now distribution wise, but these phases have happened in the past too, and product lines thrived and still grew (early X-wing had delays and supply issues and still surged in sales for years). Lets just chill out and be content to wait a bit longer for our toys. I have a lot of painting to catch up on anyways.

There's a thing called covid19 that's going around and has basically halted most distribution from Asia to America for the last several months

We had supply issues before Covid-19.

12 minutes ago, Empire On Ice said:

We had supply issues before Covid-19.

Calling it "supply issues" reminds me of Monty Python sketch where the killing of several people is described as "a bit of a tiff".

16 minutes ago, Empire On Ice said:

We had supply issues before Covid-19.

I am well aware of that. I deal with a supplier who owns and runs a factory in china every day. They had to shut the whole factory down for 3 weeks and inspect the place and everyone who worked in it and it put everything they produced behind about 6-8 weeks. Now they are caught up.

I imagine ffg is going through the same thing now except they are dealing with much larger quantities, and there are so many more stopping points that they don't have any control over.I'm sure the factory they use has way more people involved, which may have meant they had to close longer, There's shipping and loading on both sides of the Pacific and even distribution once it hits its destination. Not to mention new regulations inneach country.

On 3/13/2020 at 7:59 PM, buckero0 said:

Someone seriously mis-estimated the need for xwing players to repurchase ships. There's an excess of used ships and there is no real advantage other than optics to purchase previously released ships for x wing. They have admitted as such and basically cancelled and rebooted the x wing game production. They are only going to release new ships from now on(which is what they should have done) so no surprise that x wing is flagging in sales

Yeah, this seems accurate to me. When many existing players already had multiples of each ship, having releases that are almost all old ships is a really bad idea. Like releasing defenders--most existing players had them and with the new points system you could only fly two, so why buy a new one? Especially one with a standard paint job.

If your marketing strategy is "squeeze your customers," your business is going to lag a bit.

43 minutes ago, Djaskim609 said:

Yeah, this seems accurate to me. When many existing players already had multiples of each ship, having releases that are almost all old ships is a really bad idea. Like releasing defenders--most existing players had them and with the new points system you could only fly two, so why buy a new one? Especially one with a standard paint job.

If your marketing strategy is "squeeze your customers," your business is going to lag a bit.

Sounds more like they overestimated the number of new players entering the game of wings.

I'm not surprised... for the 3 factions I play in X-Wing, there have been a total of 3 new ships since the release of 2.0, including no releases for the Empire.

26 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

Sounds more like they overestimated the number of new players entering the game of wings.

Well, i had sold nearly all my collections, when i decided to get back in, if i wanted a ship, i bought it used. I had the conversion kits, but even now if i need a new ship I'm going to look for it used. I can't think of a reason to buy it new unless there's no other place to get it

23 minutes ago, buckero0 said:

Well, i had sold nearly all my collections, when i decided to get back in, if i wanted a ship, i bought it used. I had the conversion kits, but even now if i need a new ship I'm going to look for it used. I can't think of a reason to buy it new unless there's no other place to get it

Even if you are buying new, if you already have the conversion kits it's not hard to find many 1.0 ships discounted.

Team Covenant did and interview with the Asmodee head and he said it is nearly impossible to get the supply right. They either have to little or to much and of the two, it is best to have to little, which is correct. So basically, expect supply shortages all the time. The few times there aren't, expect to get those things on the cheap.

2 hours ago, Mep said:

Team Covenant did and interview with the Asmodee head and he said it is nearly impossible to get the supply right. They either have to little or to much and of the two, it is best to have to little, which is correct. So basically, expect supply shortages all the time. The few times there aren't, expect to get those things on the cheap.

I think the problem with that model when your talking about any competitive game is that if there are always some product lines out of stock it makes it that much harder for newer players to want to get into the game.

In my opinion Destiny lost a tonne of steam right out of the gate as they couldn't provide enough stock at the start of the game, we had plenty of players in our area that were keen but once stock dried up so did most players interest. once they finally got more stock out it was too late and most had moved onto other games that can consistent keep product in stock.

Legion is a great game and I got in because of the Separatists. but where I live we still don't even have B2's yet with no arrival date in site and All I see is FFG posting more previews of new units. its just really frustrating to enjoy a game while the people that make it are making it hard to want to keep playing.

They know of the problem well, they just can't predict months in advance how many units will sale. When Destiny was a brand new game, no one knew how well or badly it would sale. They made a guess, and were wrong. They then made a lot more and didn't sell well at all. Over stock on a collectable game is a death sentence for that game.

At this point in time, just hope you can buy soap.

On 3/14/2020 at 12:39 PM, Empire On Ice said:

The only thing Asmodee doesn't own is the factory that makes the stuff and the FLGS that sells it. If they can't get stock through the system i'm not sure who they can blame but themselves.

It might be that low stock and higher prices will mean that Legion faces a similar fate to X-Wing?

That’s not true at all. They also don’t own the distributor that sells to LGSs, and I’m sure they don’t own the boats, trains that transport them from the factories to the distributors. The product probably never goes through asmodee’s hands. Not that I’m blaming delays/low stock on anyone else.

Asmodee own the distributors in UK and Europe. Not sure about the US.

11 hours ago, Mace Windu said:

I think the problem with that model when your talking about any competitive game is that if there are always some product lines out of stock it makes it that much harder for newer players to want to get into the game.

In my opinion Destiny lost a tonne of steam right out of the gate as they couldn't provide enough stock at the start of the game, we had plenty of players in our area that were keen but once stock dried up so did most players interest. once they finally got more stock out it was too late and most had moved onto other games that can consistent keep product in stock.

Legion is a great game and I got in because of the Separatists. but where I live we still don't even have B2's yet with no arrival date in site and All I see is FFG posting more previews of new units. its just really frustrating to enjoy a game while the people that make it are making it hard to want to keep playing.

While true, from a larger business perspective having an over glut of stock is going to kill the game far faster than under stock. You'll always have new or returning players if the game mechanics and rough balance is sound. You can't recover from financial backers forclosing because the revenue streams is still on the shelf instead of being there to pay them...

2 hours ago, Empire On Ice said:

Asmodee own the distributors in UK and Europe. Not sure about the US.

Well, the biggest Asmodee news out of GAMA is that they'll be taking over North America distribution themselves, isn't it?

https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/45370/top-5-non-collectible-miniature-games-fall-2019

8 hours ago, Empire On Ice said:

Asmodee own the distributors in UK and Europe. Not sure about the US.

Alliance performs distribution in the States. You should rethink that earlier assertion that Asmodee owns everything but the factories...

1 hour ago, Mokoshkana said:

Alliance performs distribution in the States. You should rethink that earlier assertion that Asmodee owns everything but the factories...

And besides. When did a little thing like factories matter for getting products out?