1 hour ago, buckero0 said:

I'm sure the corona virus will keep me a way for a bit, just like all the new FFG releases,

I actually plan to play Jyn this weekend . . . what's your favorite build for her?

I was thinking her rifle config, duck n' cover, but I don't know if a command is worth it.

Yeah the pistol is a trap so rifle for sure, duck and cover is stapled to her obviously, and the only command upgrade I use on her is improv orders.

Timing her 3 pip is very important, it's a second half play which I know seems off since it's a 3 pip. Don't underestimate just moving with her one pip and not attacking. Jyn excels at objective grabbing especially recover the supplies.

What is the rest of the list? I love taking her with Sabine, I call it "Mean Girls".

8 hours ago, thepopemobile100 said:

It has to be SF in order to benefit so if you want to abuse it, it's gonna be expensive.

Not true. You can get 3 strike team snipers and a unit of DTs easily and for 1 round all those snipers get 2 aims and can reposition, then fire with the ease of being able to crit fish. But of course the down side is they are reduced to speed 1 😮 😂

We just got rid of unlimited range snipers, but they decide to re-add two unlimited range snipers. We also just rid of Shore Troopers with multiple aims that could crit fish, but they decided to give that back to special forces. Did the developers learn nothing? I’m sorry, but this is just soooo frustrating to me. 😬

7 hours ago, ScummyRebel said:

Except the stormtrooper one didn’t make them better. DLT19 is still the best jack of all trades heavy weapon for them, and really all the competitive players abandoned them for shores.

Some people would buy new stuff at the same power curve for variety, especially if it allowed you to explore a space differently.

X-wing 2.0 has been around for what, a year and a half now? Maybe 6 months less than legion? And it has none of this creep: just variety.

Well according to "rumors" Legion is doing better financially than X wing. I think X wing's game model is better though it's business model may not be. If the new game piece is good, do you buy it? If the new game piece is meh and not pretty to you, do you buy it? It's not hard to see how power creep as a business model works. Us gamers may hate it, but we do fall for it.

7 minutes ago, JediPartisan said:

Not true. You can get 3 strike team snipers and a unit of DTs easily and for 1 round all those snipers get 2 aims and can reposition, then fire with the ease of being able to crit fish. But of course the down side is they are reduced to speed 1 😮 😂

We just got rid of unlimited range snipers, but they decide to re-add two unlimited range snipers. We also just rid of Shore Troopers with multiple aims that could crit fish, but they decided to give that back to special forces. Did the developers learn nothing? I’m sorry, but this is just soooo frustrating to me. 😬

Iden would have to be in range 3 of all the strike teams and DTs. The DTs sure, but I don't see all of the strike teams being in range when Iden wants to be used as a frontliner. You could take long comms on them, but generally you want to avoid upgrades on strike teams to keep them cheap. Even then, the prospect of strike teams crit fishing doesn't worry me with their small dice pools and lack of critical x.

I get your frustration here, I really do. However I don't think these two having unlimited range will be much of an issue. Iden is barely better than a normal sniper with her's and would prefer her other rifle for the high damage output. Cassian is a lot better in that role, but can't move and shoot his rifle.

2 minutes ago, Mep said:

Well according to "rumors" Legion is doing better financially than X wing. I think X wing's game model is better though it's business model may not be. If the new game piece is good, do you buy it? If the new game piece is meh and not pretty to you, do you buy it? It's not hard to see how power creep as a business model works. Us gamers may hate it, but we do fall for it.

It’s a rumor. I’ll believe it when I see it.

X-wing sale problems came from the fact that there used to only be 3 factions in 1.0 and now there are 7. Folks don’t feel the need to buy in to all of them, especially when they can all be good in their own right. There’s also been some reprints of old 1.0 models in 2.0 a lot of us have already converted.

I buy quite a bit of xwing - I do have ships from all 7 factions. I generally buy the new model/types and don’t buy the old reprints without a specific reason. In fact, there is only one new-to-2.0 Ship chassis I do not possess yet. I’m willing to invest more in a stable game than in one where I know my investment is obsolete in a wave or two.

I enjoy painting legion minis, so I still buy some. But I’m struggling to stay excited between the loss of customer support when asmodee makes a mistake/part missing, higher prices, and the power creep making me feel like my old units won’t hold up anymore (I never felt outgunned before even without things like Krennic or death troopers. I’m worried about facing shore or tauntaun spam though).

8 hours ago, arnoldrew said:

Maybe because Boba has Pierce, the best keyword in the game, as well as Sharpshooter 2 (which in my opinion shouldn't even be in the game). His attack is BETTER, unless you're shooting at something like Wookiees in the open.

But Iden can have Sharpshooter 2 for 1 round, and she even gets a free aim, but that’s not all. If she is using her 5 dice weapon and at range two of her target, she could use her Standby that is also provided, so that she could easily finish off the unit she just fired at by using the Standby when the enemy unit activates (if she didnt kill them off with the first shot) and she would still have Sharpshooter 2 for the second attack as well. Boba Fett would actually be able to cash in on a lot of bounties with that kind of fire power.

10 minutes ago, thepopemobile100 said:

Iden would have to be in range 3 of all the strike teams and DTs. The DTs sure, but I don't see all of the strike teams being in range when Iden wants to be used as a frontliner. You could take long comms on them, but generally you want to avoid upgrades on strike teams to keep them cheap. Even then, the prospect of strike teams crit fishing doesn't worry me with their small dice pools and lack of critical x.

I get your frustration here, I really do. However I don't think these two having unlimited range will be much of an issue. Iden is barely better than a normal sniper with her's and would prefer her other rifle for the high damage output. Cassian is a lot better in that role, but can't move and shoot his rifle.

That’s fair I suppose, but still just shocking and disappointing that the devs won’t learn from previous mistakes. Also I wouldn’t sell Iden short as a sniper, I’ve played against and watched matches with Cassian using the Marksman keyword. It’s a guaranteed kill each attack. Garden variety snipers do not have that kind of accuracy... unless you give them two aims 😆

I just think this unit is a love letter to Iden Versio and power creep of the worst kind. 🥺

1 minute ago, ScummyRebel said:

X-wing sale problems came from the fact that there used to only be 3 factions in 1.0 and now there are 7. Folks don’t feel the need to buy in to all of them, especially when they can all be good in their own right. There’s also been some reprints of old 1.0 models in 2.0 a lot of us have already converted.

Yeah, Rumors are just that, so who knows, but that right there makes the rumor believable. The power creep business model means you do have to keep buying in. I'm not saying I like it but it does work. There are many factors feeding into X wing right now, but as a whole, it either works or it doesn't. If it doesn't work, then the no power creep model doesn't look attractive for new games even if it wasn't the one factor dragging the whole down.

As for sniper Iden, she works because she is cheap. At 150pts I don't see it, but at 100 pts, yeah. You get 50ish pts sniper, 50ish points leader. If she got to take a command upgrade or recover to change her weapon she'd be stupid good. As is, just cheap and good. Are there any other leaders that can stand back, provide a 3 courage bubble and still snipe away? Maybe she is more effective all up into peoples face, then again, maybe you don't want her to be, depending on the list you are fighting against. Too bad there isn't a way to auto swap out her role depending on what list you are playing against ..... oh wait.

LOL. One constant on this board and the x-wing board: any time the empire gets a good unit, people come out crying. In this case, people haven't even played her (or against her) yet. How about let us have this one for a bit?

And power creep? Can we talk about the new heavies? LOL. LOL. LOL.

Some of y'all are whining like prequel Anakin.

I don't like power creep. It's irritating and get everywhere.

5 minutes ago, Mep said:

I don't like power creep. It's irritating and get everywhere.

Literally lol'd.

Try spinning. That's a good trick.

18 minutes ago, Mep said:

I don't like power creep. It's irritating and get everywhere.

If I could like this more than once I would

10 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

Who's Iden?

10 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

HOLY COW I AM GONNA PAINT THE HECK OUT OF HER AND THAT SQUAD AND FINALLY MY ARMY IS AWESOME.

Life comes at you fast.

10 hours ago, Darth Sanguis said:

exactly the pajama ninjas aren't wearing armor but get red saves. I think it accounts for combat training as well.

Except rebels don’t get red saves, no matter how well trained they are. Other than the light saber guy and the Mandalorian. So if you have a lightsaber you get a red save, the rest seem to all have more armor. And my bet would be inferno squad has red saves.

4 hours ago, JediPartisan said:

Not true. You can get 3 strike team snipers and a unit of DTs easily and for 1 round all those snipers get 2 aims and can reposition, then fire with the ease of being able to crit fish. But of course the down side is they are reduced to speed 1 😮 😂

We just got rid of unlimited range snipers, but they decide to re-add two unlimited range snipers. We also just rid of Shore Troopers with multiple aims that could crit fish, but they decided to give that back to special forces. Did the developers learn nothing? I’m sorry, but this is just soooo frustrating to me. 😬

Her 3 pip is definitely her best command card. Anyone who thinks otherwise is crazy. The other commands are just ok. The 1 pip is solid, the two pip, I’m not even sure I’d play it since it’s still just an order to her, and she doesn’t have arsenal. It doesn’t do enough over her gun at range 3 to be worth command card. If you start getting her up at range 1 or 2 to try and pull these things off, you’re going to get her killed.

How did we get rid of multiple aim shores?

She also has no command slot, so no aggressive tactics, esteemed leader, or strict orders. So again, I think she’s one of the better operatives. I wouldn’t replace Krennic or Veers as my commander with her. I could see replacing Bossk with her. I like her 3 pip with the snipers and DT unit in my Krennic list.

37 minutes ago, NeverTellMeTheOdds said:

How did we get rid of multiple aim shores?

I’m guessing you don’t play competitively. The Shores come with the keyword that gives them an aim if they get an order and they also have the ability to pass an order to a Mortar, if they’re given an order. When Comms Relay could be placed on a Mortar, you could daisy chain 1 order through all your Shores and Mortars, so that all of your Shores ended up with an order and there by an aim token. Then when added to Veers, Electrobinoculars, or the generic leader not to mention the Shore’s second action where they can give themselves an aim, you end up with two to three aims on each shore. Then there is also the Coordinated Fire generic Command card that could add even more for one round.

It was quite broken and we’re well rid of it, but now we have something new that looks bad. I hope her 3 pip just looks like bad new on paper and I’m over reacting, but we’ll see. I think it is going to cause the same kind of problem and we’ll have another 6 months of issues with it before it finally gets changed.{heavy sigh}

4 hours ago, Djaskim609 said:

LOL. One constant on this board and the x-wing board: any time the empire gets a good unit, people come out crying. In this case, people haven't even played her (or against her) yet. How about let us have this one for a bit?

And power creep? Can we talk about the new heavies? LOL. LOL. LOL.

Some of y'all are whining like prequel Anakin.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a second. Any time the empire gets a good unit? When do they not get good units?

39 minutes ago, JediPartisan said:

I’m guessing you don’t play competitively. The Shores come with the keyword that gives them an aim if they get an order and they also have the ability to pass an order to a Mortar, if they’re given an order. When Comms Relay could be placed on a Mortar, you could daisy chain 1 order through all your Shores and Mortars, so that all of your Shores ended up with an order and there by an aim token. Then when added to Veers, Electrobinoculars, or the generic leader not to mention the Shore’s second action where they can give themselves an aim, you end up with two to three aims on each shore. Then there is also the Coordinated Fire generic Command card that could add even more for one round.

It was quite broken and we’re well rid of it, but now we have something new that looks bad. I hope her 3 pip just looks like bad new on paper and I’m over reacting, but we’ll see. I think it is going to cause the same kind of problem and we’ll have another 6 months of issues with it before it finally gets changed.{heavy sigh}

That didn’t go away, other than chaining orders through mortars. And that has more to do with getting more orders than multiple aims, so I’m still not sure what you mean by getting rid of the multiple aims.

38 minutes ago, JediPartisan said:

Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a second. Any time the empire gets a good unit? When do they not get good units?

Snow troopers? 🤷‍♂️

Iden's special ability: after 2 rounds she change side to the rebels.

(Those who have played Battlefront 2 know what I mean...)

3 minutes ago, SSB_Shadow said:

Iden's special ability: after 2 rounds she change side to the rebels.

(Those who have played Battlefront 2 know what I mean...)

And Kallus will be the next imp operative. 😂

8 hours ago, Djaskim609 said:

LOL. One constant on this board and the x-wing board: any time the empire gets a good unit, people come out crying. In this case, people haven't even played her (or against her) yet. How about let us have this one for a bit?

And power creep? Can we talk about the new heavies? LOL. LOL. LOL.

Some of y'all are whining like prequel Anakin.

I just think that she's to mo cheap for what se get's. Compared to other commanders and operatives.

You can spam lol and call everyone childish names, but that dosen't adress any points being made.

Also yes this is hit reactions, she isn't released yet so ofc we haven't played against her, however if you played this game alot it's not hard to see how things would work out on the table.

Lastly your face is funny, lol. Lol. Lol.lol. see?, Isn't that a fun behaivor?

43 minutes ago, jocke01 said:

I just think that she's to mo cheap for what se get's. Compared to other commanders and operatives.

You can spam lol and call everyone childish names, but that dosen't adress any points being made.

Also yes this is hit reactions, she isn't released yet so ofc we haven't played against her, however if you played this game alot it's not hard to see how things would work out on the table.

Lastly your face is funny, lol. Lol. Lol.lol. see?, Isn't that a fun behaivor?

Yes, you're such a grown up. Good for you. I'll assume it was your adult rage that interfered with your spelling ability. However, I do have a minor quibble: I didn't call everyone names--I said "some of y'all," the key word here being "some." And I'm really talking about people's behavior and not people themselves.

And I did address points being made. The main complaint seems to be power creep. I wondered why there were no comments about the power creep with the new heavies, especially the republic tank and order sharing clones. Again, I'm sure you were too busy being a mature person and righteously angry at my post to notice that.

I've played this game enough to know that she'll be strong. But OP? I don't think so. She'll have to face the enemy to use her powerful weapons against them, right? She has red defense dice, but no defensive surge; this means she can melt fast to focused fire from the enemy. She'll be good, but not some unstoppable juggernaut. Perhaps a proportionate response would be in order.

As for your last remark, I thought I was supposed to be the childish one. Please don't copyright infringe me.

4 hours ago, NeverTellMeTheOdds said:

And Kallus will be the next imp operative. 😂

They could technically save themselves some work and make Kallus the first Operative who works for both the Rebels and the Empire.

One sprue, differing amounts of 80's haircut options. He could even give the Rebels aim and the Imps dodge.

10 hours ago, JediPartisan said:

Not true. You can get 3 strike team snipers and a unit of DTs easily and for 1 round all those snipers get 2 aims and can reposition, then fire with the ease of being able to crit fish. But of course the down side is they are reduced to speed 1 😮 😂

We just got rid of unlimited range snipers, but they decide to re-add two unlimited range snipers. We also just rid of Shore Troopers with multiple aims that could crit fish, but they decided to give that back to special forces. Did the developers learn nothing? I’m sorry, but this is just soooo frustrating to me. 😬

No idea if it will become meta, but iden/krennic/dt's/inferno (when it gets here) using idens superchage for them on turn 1-2 sounds **** scary