Since being recanonized in Solo, will they ever be a thing in Legion? Visually, they're interesting but I'm not sure what role they would serve that regular stormtroopers can't already do.
Thoughts?
Imperial Army Troopers
You really need to go through some of the feeds. This topic has bee talked to death.
Short answer is...if FFG survives long enough with the licence...we can pretty much expect to see "insert x" sometime in the future.
I looked up Imperial Army Trooper. Nothing showed up when I did it. Lotsa of discussions and bout stormtroopers, clone troopers, and rebel troopers.
Mandalorians are also being discussed on the first page and I'd have thought by now they'd be discussed to death.
And you're not gonna just see anything given a long enough time frame. Money is a major factor. That has to do with "Can it fit in the game?" "is it popular?" etc
Edited by RG1701The role they’d fill is a cheap Corp unit probably white attack/defence dice with possibly surge to hit/Crit. So it really depends on does FFG want to do a 4th Corp and does that work for Empire. To me it’s the most likely 4th Corp but we might be a ways out for that.
Probably because they're Mudtroopers to most people.
I expect yes, eventually anything majorly on screen will get a release. We're still working through Rogue One and Rebels stuff, but Solo has some great stuff for Empire to mine. Legion devs want to put a lot of good looking on screen stuff on the table, and find thematic uses for them.
10 minutes ago, Platinum_V said:probably white attack/defence dice
Hard disagree. Mudtroopers are seen wearing full "Imperial Army" armor like Veers and vehicle drivers, so that's red defense (plus nobody in Empire would play anything with a white save. Rebels don't even want to play their white saves), and they're mostly seen using the E-22 which has a black die. They also are not portrayed as collected and competent soldiers for the most part, so I'm not super behind surges. Probably also get one of their heavy weapons as the SX-21 since that's originally an imperial weapon.
Instead, what we'll probably see is like how B-1 droids and other droid units have a thematic "drawback" keyword, Mudtroopers will probably be balanced out by lacking Precise (not as orderly and trained as Stormies) and perhaps some other thematic keyword which limits their use. As a hypothetical example (and a good idea, FFG give me a quarter please), most units Rally on blocks and surges, but with white dice (Dauntless use Red Dice to rally). In the film, Mudtroopers are seen to be a bit disorganized, chaotic and generally depressed by rough conditions and hesitant to move without obvious leadership. So, give them a "LOW MORALE" keyword, they only rally on Blocks and not Surges, but make them the same price point or lower than Stormtroopers. They work best when babysat by commanders and officers as they are as tough as a Stormtrooper and maybe punch a bit harder because of their weapon selection, but if they get caught in a bad advance they're more likely to have Suppression stick and be forced into a chaotic panic where nobody wants to do anything but hide in cover or flee until some cool "Hero" unit comes along to get them in line again.
EDIT: And just make a Mimban Stormtrooper a commisar, he can trade trade a suppression for a wound on the squad to get them back in line.
Edited by UnitOmega5 minutes ago, UnitOmega said:Hard disagree. Mudtroopers are seen wearing full "Imperial Army" armor like Veers and vehicle drivers, so that's red defense (plus nobody in Empire would play anything with a white save. Rebels don't even want to play their white saves), and they're mostly seen using the E-22 which has a black die. They also are not portrayed as collected and competent soldiers for the most part, so I'm not super behind surges. Probably also get one of their heavy weapons as the SX-21 since that's originally an imperial weapon.
While I agree with you on the thematic reasoning that creates a unit not different enough to be worth adding. (then again I said the same thing about Phase 2 Clones and here I am loving them so...)
16 minutes ago, UnitOmega said:Instead, what we'll probably see is like how B-1 droids and other droid units have a thematic "drawback" keyword, Mudtroopers will probably be balanced out by lacking Precise (not as orderly and trained as Stormies) and perhaps some other thematic keyword which limits their use. As a hypothetical example (and a good idea, FFG give me a quarter please), most units Rally on blocks and surges, but with white dice (Dauntless use Red Dice to rally). In the film, Mudtroopers are seen to be a bit disorganized, chaotic and generally depressed by rough conditions and hesitant to move without obvious leadership. So, give them a "LOW MORALE" keyword, they only rally on Blocks and not Surges, but make them the same price point or lower than Stormtroopers. They work best when babysat by commanders and officers as they are as tough as a Stormtrooper and maybe punch a bit harder because of their weapon selection, but if they get caught in a bad advance they're more likely to have Suppression stick and be forced into a chaotic panic where nobody wants to do anything but hide in cover or flee until some cool "Hero" unit comes along to get them in line again.
I do like this however as a thematic solution, maybe just to piggy back off that idea you could have their range from Commander for courage decreased? I see potential with this, keeps them more in line with Imperial play style than my pitch while not making them too similar to existing units.
19 minutes ago, UnitOmega said:EDIT: And just make a Mimban Stormtrooper a commisar, he can trade trade a suppression for a wound on the squad to get them back in line.
100% a good option for a personnel upgrade with leader.
6 hours ago, RG1701 said:I looked up Imperial Army Trooper. Nothing showed up when I did it. Lotsa of discussions and bout stormtroopers, clone troopers, and rebel troopers.
Mandalorians are also being discussed on the first page and I'd have thought by now they'd be discussed to death.
And you're not gonna just see anything given a long enough time frame. Money is a major factor. That has to do with "Can it fit in the game?" "is it popular?" etc
The mooks that make up the bulk of the Empire’s army.
Basically these are you US Army GIs and the stormtroopers are your US marine corp
15 minutes ago, nungunz said:The mooks that make up the bulk of the Empire’s army.
Basically these are you US Army GIs and the stormtroopers are your US marine corp
The canon seems to constantly veer back and forth as to whether Stormtroopers are elite or just the standard ground troops of the Empire. Most (if not all) recent canon (after EU) seems to indicate that while they did have some non-Strormtrooper infantry for a while (i.e. in Solo) they were already in the process of switching entirely to Stormtroopers. Most of the stuff in your article you posted (I'm still wondering what your entire post was in response to as it seems kind of out-of-the-blue) is Legends (as in, not canon any more).
Edited by arnoldrew3 hours ago, arnoldrew said:The canon seems to constantly veer back and forth as to whether Stormtroopers are elite or just the standard ground troops of the Empire. Most (if not all) recent canon (after EU) seems to indicate that while they did have some non-Strormtrooper infantry for a while (i.e. in Solo) they were already in the process of switching entirely to Stormtroopers. Most of the stuff in your article you posted (I'm still wondering what your entire post was in response to as it seems kind of out-of-the-blue) is Legends (as in, not canon any more).
Legion is a game where Clone Troopers in forest camo can fight battles against an Imperial army comprising Snowtroopers, Dewback-mounted Sandtroopers, and Shoretroopers, or a Rebel force led by Leia can fight battles against the Confederate droid army under the command of Dooku and Greivous who both died before she was even born. The idea that the hazy nuCanon approach to Army Troopers should be a factor in their inclusion in Legion simply doesn't fly. Also, recall that prior to Solo, Army Troopers had basically been eliminated from nuCanon altogether by virtue of simply never being mentioned in it until that point, so given that the modern approach is hazy(we know they were in the process of transitioning to Stormtroopers by Solo in 10BBY, but there's no info on how far along that process was, or how fast it was moving, or whether it was intended to be a complete transition by the end of the process, and the lack of Army Troopers appearing later in the nuCanon media until this point can be explained either by the idea the process was complete and there were no more Army Troopers, or it can be explained by the fact everywhere we see Stormtroopers in other nuCanon media are important in some way and inferring that vital and military locations were "upgraded" to STs while the Army was relegated to less vital duties), there's no reason Disney couldn't "clarify" things even further and give us Army Troopers "off-screen" during the GCW itself if they feel like it. And of course, for a lot of people, "it's not canon any more" isn't even a factor.
As to the discussion above about defence dice etc - I was under the impression that the dice in Legion don't *just* represent the gear itself, but also other contributing factors like its quality, the training of the troops using it and so forth. It's entirely plausible for two sets of troops in roughly the same gear to have different defence dice since Stormtroopers are meant to be better trained and more disiplined, so should be making better use of available cover, moving in ways that make them less likely to be hit etc.
The canon changes too much for me to worry about anymore.
I want squads of those guys who drove AT-ST's in ROTJ.
Call them whatever you want.
2 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:The canon changes too much for me to worry about anymore.
I want squads of those guys who drove AT-ST's in ROTJ.
Call them whatever you want.
Downed AT-ST should have come with a pair like the escape pod R2 and 3P0.
On 3/12/2020 at 5:53 AM, TauntaunScout said:The canon changes too much for me to worry about anymore.
I want squads of those guys who drove AT-ST's in ROTJ.
Call them whatever you want.
And those dudes on the Death Star!
On 3/12/2020 at 3:06 PM, Platinum_V said:Downed AT-ST should have come with a pair like the escape pod R2 and 3P0.
And the imperial bunker as well.
We should have civilians or HQ militaries in every terrain boxes
Edited by KrakusOn 3/11/2020 at 4:55 PM, Docgimmethenews said:You really need to go through some of the feeds. This topic has bee talked to death.
Short answer is...if FFG survives long enough with the licence...we can pretty much expect to see "insert x" sometime in the future.
Well good news is that the product line through 2023 was approved by LFL so they have the contract until then if not later now.
On 3/11/2020 at 10:55 PM, Docgimmethenews said:You really need to go through some of the feeds. This topic has bee talked to death.
Short answer is...if FFG survives long enough with the licence...we can pretty much expect to see "insert x" sometime in the future.
Oh really!? Will we see Hoojibs? JK
If we get mudtroopers (and I think we should) I demand an Imperial Han Solo.
1 hour ago, Gadgetron said:If we get mudtroopers (and I think we should) I demand an Imperial Han Solo.
A mud trooper Han Solo?
I would prefer to get a luke/Solo stormtrooper.
But in both case it means Solo can get red defense dice this way
