2 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:What last 3 posts? Why does a discussion about advanced sensors illustrate your point about large parts of the collection being relevant?
And why is simply being present at worlds already "relevant"?
My 3 lasts posts I meant.
I pass discussing semantics, txs.
2 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:What last 3 posts? Why does a discussion about advanced sensors illustrate your point about large parts of the collection being relevant?
And why is simply being present at worlds already "relevant"?
My 3 lasts posts I meant.
I pass discussing semantics, txs.
2 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:What last 3 posts? Why does a discussion about advanced sensors illustrate your point about large parts of the collection being relevant?
And why is simply being present at worlds already "relevant"?
My 3 lasts posts I meant.
I pass discussing semantics, txs.
2 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:What last 3 posts? Why does a discussion about advanced sensors illustrate your point about large parts of the collection being relevant?
And why is simply being present at worlds already "relevant"?
My 3 lasts posts I meant.
I pass discussing semantics, txs.
4 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:What last 3 posts? Why does a discussion about advanced sensors illustrate your point about large parts of the collection being relevant?
And why is simply being present at worlds already "relevant"?Worlds did not see a large part of your collection as relevant, not for reasonable definitions of relevant or large.
I meant my own 3 last posts.
And I will pass on the semantics discussion, thanks.
Edited by LUZ_TAKOn 3/12/2020 at 11:07 AM, gamblertuba said:Advanced Sensors would be one example. Even scaling by initiative is not super helpful. If you price it correctly for Guri, you have made it unusable for nearly everyone else.
Passive Sensors might be another good one. Do you price it appropriately for Vader or everyone else?
This is why I tend to favor a fairly limited banlist. It'd be possible to allow fair prices for most things, but put specific bans on specific combos, without eliminating slots or jacking points costs.
8 hours ago, DR4CO said:Like Coordinate, Advanced Sensors is kind of weird in that it's also quite powerful at the extreme low end of the initiative curve, as it still protects against bumps, but also allows you to setup blocks more readily and opens up your dial by eliminating actions lost to red maneuvers.
For example, if you gave me the option to put a really cheap Advanced Sensors on an i1 Lambda Shuttle or an i2 B-wing, I am not only taking you up on that, I'm super-gluing it to both ships.
Yep.
I feel like 7-8 points is as low as I'd want to see it on a Lambda, but I don't necessarily think it needs to be more than 7-8 points on, say, Gina Moonsong.
what if we just continue to ban advanced sensors forever, instead?
Just now, svelok said:what if we just continue to ban advanced sensors forever, instead?
Still trying to figure out why premovement deserves to exist outside of the system phase...
Even if you take swiss and not cut then just 20 add up to 75% of all flown. 3 Seps, 5 Empire, 3 Rebels, 5 Republic (!), 2 Resistance, 1 FO, 1 Scum. If you add the next 5 (total 82%) then you get additionally 1 Sep, 1 Empire, 1 Rebel, 1 FO and 1 Scum.
If you want to go to 92% of all ships in swiss, which is pretty ridiculous, then you get: 4 Seps, 8 Empire, 6 Rebels, 5 Republics, 4 Resistance, 3 FO, 5 Scum.
That is very similar to the amount of ships in hyperspace. If you want to make the point that extended is much more diverse then worlds is not you example of choice.
Edited by GreenDragoonOn 3/11/2020 at 9:53 AM, Darth Meanie said:Well, then, Epic is finally going to be the Worlds format. Nice.
That would be worth watching.
I did not know until now that this was a thing I wanted in my life 😳
I mean it's worlds, the scale should match, right? 😙
17 hours ago, ForceSensitive said:I did not know until now that this was a thing I wanted in my life 😳
I mean it's worlds, the scale should match, right? 😙
Epic could certainly do with much more Organised Play support, that's for sure.
Especially Team Epic, which is crazy fun.
On 3/13/2020 at 3:08 PM, DR4CO said:Like Coordinate, Advanced Sensors is kind of weird in that it's also quite powerful at the extreme low end of the initiative curve, as it still protects against bumps, but also allows you to setup blocks more readily and opens up your dial by eliminating actions lost to red maneuvers.
For example, if you gave me the option to put a really cheap Advanced Sensors on an i1 Lambda Shuttle or an i2 B-wing, I am not only taking you up on that, I'm super-gluing it to both ships.
Yeah, advanced sensors is still good at the low end of init, but it's even better at high init, because high init ships are more susceptible to bumping. I don't think advanced sensors should drop down anywhere near 1-2pts at low init, but I do think there should be some scaling with initiative. Perhaps something like 4/4/5/6/8/10/11 for init 0/1/2/3/4/5/6/. Around 4-5 points feels about right for an i2 b-wing - not cheap enough to staple on, but cheap enough that it might actually be worth taking. At the current 10pts there's no way you'd consider putting it on.
9 hours ago, gadwag said:4/4/5/6/8/10/11 for init 0/1/2/3/4/5/6
That seems decent to me. If you replace Guri's Sensor slot with something else, I'd be down for cheapening the I5 another point, as Gina Moonsong and Corran Horn could benefit AS but wouldn't buy them at 10 points.
On 3/16/2020 at 7:02 AM, 5050Saint said:If you replace Guri’s Sensor slot with something else
On 3/13/2020 at 10:57 AM, theBitterFig said:Personally, I'd just switch Starvipers to Tech
Whoa, let’s not get ahead of ourselves here. Primed Thrusters Guri would be a menace.
2 hours ago, Cyptor said:Whoa, let’s not get ahead of ourselves here. Primed Thrusters Guri would be a menace.
A blockable menace though. Currently she can 'nope' out of anything, but if you guessed PT Guri's maneuver, you can actually block her. She'd still be stupid maneuverable, but not as stupid maneuverable. Also, this would make Dalan Oberos worth considering.
Edited by 5050Saint2 hours ago, Cyptor said:Whoa, let’s not get ahead of ourselves here. Primed Thrusters Guri would be a menace.
She'd be good, but... for only 1 point less than Advanced Sensors Guri, she's a lot more manageable.
As 5050Saint points out, she's blockable (so much as that matters to Guri, with her Focus at Range 0-1). She can't pre-move roll into a block to avoid getting shot.
Also, most of the time, she's a lot like a Guri who just stays unstressed. Single reposition action, and a focus if she gets within range.
The S-Loops do get rather opened up, and... what's this... Virago charges might actually get used? Inconceivable!
44 minutes ago, 5050Saint said:Also, this would make Dalan Oberos worth considering.
Yeah, Dalan would be sweet. Do a move, twist any direction, do a barrel roll. That's really flexible, but in the end, you wind up with no tokens other than a stress. Fair, but sweet.
19 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:The S-Loops do get rather opened up, and... what's this... Virago charges might actually get used? Inconceivable!
I though about the Virago after I posted, as well. With as much as I have played Guri, I've only used the boost once, but when you don't have to worry about being unstressed for Adv. Sensors, perhaps it would be more than just a Shield Upgrade.
New idea!
If Extended isn't good enough for Worlds, it's not good enough for me, and needs changes (AKA needs people playing it so the devs have information to base changes on etc.).
Am I against Worlds Hyperspace? No, not really. It seems like the sensible thing to do when Extended isn't properly balanced and Hyperspace is.
Do I think that's the case? Ehhhhhh that's another thread.
Edited by ClassicalMoserI'm reminded of Magics formats the more I read any comment in this thread. Just a observation.
yes
Time for FFG to contact @Sandrem and officially recognise Fly Casual.
X-Wing events for the next 6-12 months can be played online.
14 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:Time for FFG to contact @Sandrem and officially recognise Fly Casual.
X-Wing events for the next 6-12 months can be played online.
You are not helping.
1. Maybe it is a really bad idea to force FFG to recognize and interact with the online community. Give them the opportunity to turn a blind eye. Don't force their hands. Have you forgotten the Guidlines for community use of our intellectual property that caused quite a bit of anxiety a year ago? The statement explicitly calls out TTS and vassal.
2. 6-12 months? Maybe rather don't make predictions of that sort. FFG declared that events are cancelled through June 1st . That's it for the moment. That's 2 months and 2 weeks. The 6 months you speculate as minimum would be starting back up in October.
2 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:Oh, wind your neck in @GreenDragoon . 🙄
Let me elaborate for @GreenDragoon . If FFG official acknowledges FlyCasual, That will bring Disney's legal down on FlyCasual (and perhaps Vassal and Tabletop Sim by association) with a cease and desist as Disney pointed out in the intellectual property guidelines that GreenDragoon linked.
In effect, FFG promoting our online X-Wing options would make them cease to exist. Ignoring those options is the best practice. Let sleeping Krayt dragons sleep.
Edited by 5050SaintOr of FFG gets back into digital content in any great capacity, they could make their own digital Xwing game. If they kept it to bare minimum, like just X and TIE, but as a kinda online tutorial, that would be kinda fun.
First they really got to get this Squad Builder app thing down though 😅 😝