5 minutes ago, Kieransi said:

I'm seriously struggling to see how arguing vehemently for hyperspace is "selfish"

Because it's very clear to see that the argument is based entirely on his own personal preferences and nothing else. At all.

FFG have set out their roadmap for Organised Play this year, and it's pretty evenly balanced so fair play to them for that. They will most likely change for 2021, but actively campaigning for them to change it for next year when we haven't even seen how well received this year's events are yet is quite plainly risible.

1 hour ago, Boom Owl said:

That list is definitely not Hyperspace legal either.

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14 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

Because it's very clear to see that the argument is based entirely on his own personal preferences

True!

12 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

and it's pretty evenly balanced

Every large competitive event except system opens are extended.

The only other hyperspace events are half a year's store-level championships, the overwhelmingly majority of which are sub-25 player tournaments composed entirely of locals.

It's not balanced at all. Extended won.

4 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

The question is if Worlds and the events that lead to it should be more focused on hyperspace format.

I think they should be. Worlds cant be both formats. New Players can't magically find reasonably priced Gunboats on Amazon. Thats not actually possible.

There is a correct choice here and its not extended. Hyperspace is better and more flexible for the long term health of the competitive game.

Its important that the playerbase who agrees with this continues to be vocal.

What's that TIE doing flying next to Boba? In Hyperspace, it should be lying broken and burning below the Firespray and the droid.

Though of course Hyperspace COULD be more balanced and competitively interesting than Extended. It's just that it isn't right now.

56 minutes ago, Laniakean_Guy said:

What's that TIE doing flying next to Boba? In Hyperspace, it should be lying broken and burning below the Firespray and the droid.

Though of course Hyperspace COULD be more balanced and competitively interesting than Extended. It's just that it isn't right now.

Have you played Vader lists v Boba? Its very much a game. One of the few ships that can handle it actually.

4 hours ago, svelok said:

Every large competitive event except system opens are extended.

The only other hyperspace events are half a year's store-level championships, the overwhelmingly majority of which are sub-25 player tournaments composed entirely of locals.

It's not balanced at all. Extended won.

It's almost as if people are struggling to see past the immediate present and future: 'Oh no, everything's Hyperspace, woe is me and woe is my favourite list and thrice woe it shall be so for the forseeable future for ever and ever'.

I'd prefer it if each Store Championship could choose which format they wanted to use, so some could be each style in the current season as well as the next one. I like that at least one set of tournaments is HS; and that others will be Extended. I don't like the heavy concentration on either format at a time. I also want half of the Primes to be HS and half to be Extended.

By the Autumn, I expect all the wailing to be about how there's too much Extended and why aren't OP pushing HS instead.

There is too much extended, why arent OP pushing HS instead.

1 minute ago, Boom Owl said:

There is too much extended, why arent OP pushing HS instead.

Super not. I've played 2 Extended events in last 4 months.

Obviously, in another 6 months, when I've played 2 HS events in the last 4 months, my agreement will be in bold.

I just want an Extended shake down every few weeks.

But I accept that you can't please all the all the time, people have to do that for themselves....

21 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

Now I want to play Lords of the Realm 2 again.

Edit- that game was so flawed but I loooooooved it. Final level was Italy IIRC and I was just hemmed in around Rome and almost wiped out. Down to one region but managed to build the biggest type of castle and withstood siege after siege after siege until I could finally scrape together enough troops to start pushing back. One of the more satisfying wins against a computer game for me ever. Doesn't hold a candle to beating the original X-wing on my first computer. Had to install that from 7 floppies and needed a boot disk because I didn't have enough memory to run it if Windows 3.11 had already loaded...

Who else feels old?

14 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

There is too much extended, why arent OP pushing HS instead.

I've played is 4 Hyperspace tournaments and a Hyperspace league since the points change. I, for one, will be happy to get past Adepticon, and just fly whatever again.

15 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

There is too much extended, why arent OP pushing HS instead.

When was the last big extended event? 2019 Worlds? I personally haven't played an Extended event since September 2019.

Maybe FFG realise they have more ships than what are currently available to use in Hyperspace for people to play with (and, you know, to actually sell).

You know, ships like the Hound's Tooth TIE Interceptor, TIE Bomber, Guardians of the Republic...

10 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

When was the last big extended event?

LVO 5 weeks ago.

23 hours ago, gamblertuba said:

Because some things are highly resistant to fixing via points updates. I guess you can just price them into nigh unplayability like Luke Gunner but it's a tricky business.

I want to better understand your take on this. What would be examples of things that fits in the “highly resistant” category?

At 5 pts Luke would be the only Reb gunner, at 50 you’d never see the card. At the current price, it is pretty scarce....perhaps FFG drops it a bit and sees what happens. Really attending to this ongoing adjustment process could also inform their dev of new stuff so things get released in better shape in the first place.

21 minutes ago, Pewpewpew BOOM said:

I want to better understand your take on this. What would be examples of things that fits in the “highly resistant” category?

At 5 pts Luke would be the only Reb gunner, at 50 you’d never see the card. At the current price, it is pretty scarce....perhaps FFG drops it a bit and sees what happens. Really attending to this ongoing adjustment process could also inform their dev of new stuff so things get released in better shape in the first place.

Advanced Sensors would be one example. Even scaling by initiative is not super helpful. If you price it correctly for Guri, you have made it unusable for nearly everyone else.

Passive Sensors might be another good one. Do you price it appropriately for Vader or everyone else?

Is there any price where Ensnare feels good?

41 minutes ago, gamblertuba said:

Advanced Sensors would be one example. Even scaling by initiative is not super helpful. If you price it correctly for Guri, you have made it unusable for nearly everyone else.

Passive Sensors might be another good one. Do you price it appropriately for Vader or everyone else?

I'm honestly asking here: what would be good pricing for Adv Sensor with Guri out of the picture (from say a slot change or something)? Would it be initiative scaled? And if so what scale? My perspective is off on the upgrade since 70+% of the time I see it on Guri, as she is the most likely to get the return on the 10 point investment.

Along a similar vein, what would be a good price point for Passive Sensors on Vader? Since he is the only I6 with a Sensor slot, perhaps we could scale there, too. I0-3 costs 3 points, I4-5 costs 4 points (for Echo and Whisper), I6 costs 5. Would that be workable?

48 minutes ago, gamblertuba said:

Is there any price where Ensnare feels good?

Not to me, sadly. If bumping a Nantex prevented it, then yes, but the lack of "fully" on the execute making it unblockable means a "no" from me.

3 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:

When was the last big extended event? 2019 Worlds?

Several grand championships have taken place since 2019 worlds.

On 3/11/2020 at 10:44 AM, miguelj said:

Spoiler alert: even in extended, a good chunk of your collection is not relevant.

Looking at last World's ships variety, I say a very small part of my collection is not relevant. I wish that gap to diminish, not to enlarge.

8 hours ago, LUZ_TAK said:

Looking at last World's ships variety, I say a very small part of my collection is not relevant. I wish that gap to diminish, not to enlarge.

When you say "very small part of my collection", how many are you thinking?

e: would it be a reasonable threshold to add the ship types that combine to 75% of all cut ships? or would you like a higher threshold, e.g. 85%? You said relevant, after all, and making cut definitely puts a ship into relevant territory. There were 98 people who made worlds cut. I could also settle on a threshold of a certain number, e.g. a ship had to made cut 5 times to count as relevant. Your choice.

On 3/12/2020 at 3:30 AM, Laniakean_Guy said:

What's that TIE doing flying next to Boba? In Hyperspace, it should be lying broken and burning below the Firespray and the droid.

Clearly you've not seen the strength of the TIE/x1 in the current meta. Both Boba and the lowly Tempest have been doing well

15 hours ago, 5050Saint said:

I'm honestly asking here: what would be good pricing for Adv Sensor with Guri out of the picture (from say a slot change or something)? Would it be initiative scaled? And if so what scale? My perspective is off on the upgrade since 70+% of the time I see it on Guri, as she is the most likely to get the return on the 10 point investment.

100% advanced sensors should be scaled by initiative. It protects against bumps so it gets a lot stronger on higher initiative - I still don't get why supernatural and precog scale with init but advanced sensors does not. I think guri with sensors is probably priced about right at the moment, though.

Just now, gadwag said:

100% advanced sensors should be scaled by initiative. It protects against bumps so it gets a lot stronger on higher initiative - I still don't get why supernatural and precog scale with init but advanced sensors does not. I think guri with sensors is probably priced about right at the moment, though.

Like Coordinate, Advanced Sensors is kind of weird in that it's also quite powerful at the extreme low end of the initiative curve, as it still protects against bumps, but also allows you to setup blocks more readily and opens up your dial by eliminating actions lost to red maneuvers.

For example, if you gave me the option to put a really cheap Advanced Sensors on an i1 Lambda Shuttle or an i2 B-wing, I am not only taking you up on that, I'm super-gluing it to both ships.

8 hours ago, DR4CO said:

For example, if you gave me the option to put a really cheap Advanced Sensors on an i1 Lambda Shuttle or an i2 B-wing, I am not only taking you up on that, I'm super-gluing it to both ships.

Yeah, that was kind of my thought. Lambda's would love them. 4-Lom already loves it. What are we thinking for pricing then?

13 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

When you say "very small part of my collection", how many are you thinking?

e: would it be a reasonable threshold to add the ship types that combine to 75% of all cut ships? or would you like a higher threshold, e.g. 85%? You said relevant, after all, and making cut definitely puts a ship into relevant territory. There were 98 people who made worlds cut. I could also settle on a threshold of a certain number, e.g. a ship had to made cut 5 times to count as relevant. Your choice.

Being flown at worlds is relevant enough. And I think my point has been made clear in the last 3 post.

6 minutes ago, LUZ_TAK said:

Being flown at worlds is relevant enough. And I think my point has been made clear in the last 3 post.

What last 3 posts? Why does a discussion about advanced sensors illustrate your point about large parts of the collection being relevant?
And why is simply being present at worlds already "relevant"?

Worlds did not see a large part of your collection as relevant, not for reasonable definitions of relevant or large.