1 hour ago, Daeglan said:Were they victorious at Endor or not? if not do you think people might want to know what happened and how the galaxy got to where it is? When you have a nagging question does having others say it doesnt matter actually address the question?
I don't recall these questions being asked or answered any more thoroughly when in the Sacred EU they kep on fighting the defeated Empire for ages.
51 minutes ago, Daeglan said:another ad hominem attack. good job.
Not quite sure what you think ad hominem means but I am sure you will find a way to explain how my totally non-insulting post fits with it.
Edited by DanteRotterdam5 minutes ago, Stan Fresh said:Yeah remember when AotC introduced TWO entire armies and fleets that nobody noticed?
No. but I do remember it being the continued build up of what happened in the Phantom Menace. And that both parties were being done in secret and run by the same guy who likely was intentionally distracting the Republic from what was happening. It also did not go in a completely different trajectory from the first film but built upon what was there. Ignoring the questions your first movie generates in your second movie doesnt go over very well with a lot of people. And again no amount of you saying it is fine addresses ones concerns.
12 minutes ago, DanteRotterdam said:Not quite sure what you think ad hominem means but I am sure you will find a way to explain how my totally non-insulting post fits with it.
You repeatedly make personal attacks rather then address my arguments. It is a logical fallacy you keep committing.
3 minutes ago, Daeglan said:You repeatedly make personal attacks rather then address my arguments. It is a logical fallacy you keep committing.
There is no personal attack in what I said.
You do ignore facts when they are inconvenient for your point and you do constantly echo the same bs that is spun in the small echo chambers where all these non issues carry weight.
7 minutes ago, Daeglan said:You repeatedly make personal attacks rather then address my arguments. It is a logical fallacy you keep committing.
How was that a personal attack?
No sarcasm. I'm sincerely curious.
38 minutes ago, Daeglan said:Luke is an A-Hole now.
Luke was suffering from trauma and very likely depression from what happened to his students and temple, but you know, sure. He's just an ******* for no reason.
Edited by StarkJunior1 hour ago, Daeglan said:I would posit there is an empire in the form of the First order.
Possibly an empire but not the Empire.
1 hour ago, Daeglan said:And based on what we see in the Resistance cartoon and in the movie there is a significant enough presense that Leia started the resistance. Apparently because the New Republic was ignoring the First Order...
Yep. Hey...lookit that! You picked up context from the movie! You said so yourself!
1 hour ago, Daeglan said:My questions are
Where did the First order come from?
From people who wanted to pick up where the Empire left off (the “ashes of the Empire,” as they crawl tells you). For the sequels’ story, what more do you actually require?
1 hour ago, Daeglan said:Who is this Snoke Fella How did he get Ben Solo to fall to the darkside?
The Supreme Leader of the First Order. Did you also ask, “Who is this Emperor fella and how did he get Darth Vader to fall to the dark side?” And did not knowing that impact your enjoyment of the originals?
1 hour ago, Daeglan said:Who is Rey and how come she had such a rapid increase in force ability.
Definitely a juicy question.
1 hour ago, Daeglan said:What happened to Luke
“He was training a new generation of Jedi. There was nobody else left to do it, so he took the burden on himself. Everything was going great, until... one boy, an apprentice, turned against him and destroyed it all. Luke felt responsible. He just...walked away from everything.” — Han Solo, The Force Awakens
1 hour ago, Daeglan said:These are the questions I left The Force Awakens asking. Which had me excited to see the sequel to find out these questions answers.
Why would you assume, knowing that TFA was part 1 of 3, that part 2 would answer any or all of these? Why would you assume that all of these - while possible fodder for interesting stories in some segment of what’s been a multimedia franchise for decades - would (or even should) be answered in the movies if they had no bearing on how the trilogy’s story would unfold?
1 hour ago, Daeglan said:Watch the Last Jedi and get
Rey is no body and ignore her continued massive ramp up in power level with no explanation.
“Nobody” simply meaning that she wasn’t (and didn’t have to be” related to someone that we’d seen before in order to be the Big D@mn Hero. Why would she have to be part of a Super Duper Special Bloodline to fill that role? As for any power increase, as I pointed out before, “Darkness rises, and light to meet it.” Ren was powerful, so the balance pumped a few extra Force dice Rey’s way.
1 hour ago, Daeglan said:Snoke doesnt matter we killed him.
His backstory certainly didn’t. Neither did Palpatine’s in the OT. Structurally, his death made sense if angling towards the big climax of the trilogy being Rey vs Ren. If so, and Snoke is still on the board, after wrapping up the climax, the Hero still has the Villain’s boss to deal with, making the climax anti-climactic. If Abrams is to be believed and Palpatine being intended behind everything from the start and the endgame of IX, removing Snoke from the board still makes structural sense, getting Palpatine’s proxy out of the way for Sheev proper. (Not to mention, if Palpatine is IX’s endgame from the start, providing Snoke’s backstory any earlier undercuts that reveal.)
1 hour ago, Daeglan said:The First order have a huge fleet now and has taken over the galaxy in a matter of hours
You yourself said that you inferred they had a pretty significant presence based on TFA, so...this is a problem, because...?
1 hour ago, Daeglan said:and oh! can track you in hyperspace.
And...? The movie Itself very specifically presented it as a surprising new development. I’m not sure why you find this particular bit troubling enough to be noteworthy. “They broke the rules by establishing something new...and saying it was something new!” We’ve seen Star Wars toss out similar new elements before as if it were always so (lookin’ at you, first instanced of telekinesis/Move in ESB). But here, they bring in something new, say it’s something new even in the story, and it’s “giving the middle finger?”
1 hour ago, Daeglan said:Luke is an A-Hole now.
“Now?”
Did you not pay attention to IV, V, and VI? He was a whiny little b who condescended to Yoda, decided he knew better than his mentors, and endangered the Rebels’ big push at Endor for his own agenda of resolving his daddy issues. Then he was put on a pedestal as saving the entire galaxy single-handedly, and took it upon himself to train new Jedi (without really knowing how) and it blew up in his face so he ran to hide. What did you expect?
1 hour ago, Daeglan said:So not only did the questions many had not get answered. they were basically given the middle finger for wanting to know.
Not getting the answers that you wanted/expected is not “basically being given the middle finger.”
Edited by Nytwyng1 hour ago, Daeglan said:Were they victorious at Endor or not?
It rather depends. In Return Of The Jedi it was a total victory.
In ever piece of media set after Return Of The Jedi, whether ancient EU or current movie canon, it was a partial victory at best and the Empire regrouped and/or rebranded. At least in the sequels it took them three decades to get back on their feet.
It's really Return Of The Jedi that is at fault here, for tying up all loose ends and neatly closing off the universe.
Edited by micheldebruyn14 minutes ago, Daeglan said:No.
You should watch it, then.
14 minutes ago, Daeglan said:
It also did not go in a completely different trajectory from the first film but built upon what was there.
Lots of talk about Midichlorians in AotC, huh?
49 minutes ago, Daeglan said:These are the questions I left The Force Awakens asking. Which had me excited to see the sequel to find out these questions answers.
Having been very familiar with the work of JJ Abrams for a long time, I already knew there there were no answers coming, assuming they even were intended as quastions.
He's very good at what he does, but what he does is most definitely not answering questions like those.
8 minutes ago, Stan Fresh said:Lots of talk about Midichlorians in AotC, huh?
a throw away line that went over like a lead balloon and was never brought up again?
How does that compare to not answering basic in universe questions like where did the first order come from? who is this Snoke guy? How did he get Ben Solo to fall? And so on. I am still waiting for you to actually address my complaints. instead of making comparisons that are not valid.
2 minutes ago, micheldebruyn said:Having been very familiar with the work of JJ Abrams for a long time, I already knew there there were no answers coming, assuming they even were intended as quastions.
He's very good at what he does, but what he does is most definitely not answering questions like those.
He is good at creating a mystery. He is not good at making a satisfying conclusion.
Just now, Daeglan said:a throw away line that went over like a lead balloon and was never brought up again?
How does that compare to not answering basic in universe questions like where did the first order come from? who is this Snoke guy? How did he get Ben Solo to fall? And so on. I am still waiting for you to actually address my complaints. instead of making comparisons that are not valid.
Wait all you want, I'm not here to engage with your trolling, only to mock it.
15 minutes ago, micheldebruyn said:It rather depends. In Return Of The Jedi it was a total victory.
In ever piece of media set after Return Of The Jedi, whether ancient EU or current movie canon, it was a partial victory at best and the Empire regrouped and/or rebranded. At least in the sequels it took them three decades to get back on their feet.
It's really Return Of The Jedi that is at fault here, for tying up all loose ends and neatly closing off the universe.
I never said Return of the Jedi was at fault. I dont even consider the Force Awakens at fault. I consider the Last Jedi at fault. and the Last Jedi did not need to answer all the questions. But it did need to at least address a few and answer them. Which it did not do. It mostly gave a middle finger to those who asked.
3 minutes ago, Stan Fresh said:Wait all you want, I'm not here to engage with your trolling, only to mock it.
Heaven forbid someone ask world building questions about star wars movies. Because that is totally out of line for a forum about a role playing game.
1 minute ago, Daeglan said:I never said Return of the Jedi was at fault. I dont even consider the Force Awakens at fault. I consider the Last Jedi at fault. and the Last Jedi did not need to answer all the questions. But it did need to at least address a few and answer them. Which it did not do. It mostly gave a middle finger to those who asked.
The Last Jedi did tell you who Rey is and why she is powerful. You just didn't like the answer. That's different from not getting an answer. Snoke was always going to be "just this guy" (well, until they retconned him into whatever he is now).
1 minute ago, micheldebruyn said:The Last Jedi did tell you who Rey is and why she is powerful. You just didn't like the answer. That's different from not getting an answer. Snoke was always going to be "just this guy" (well, until they retconned him into whatever he is now).
Saying she is nobody does not answer that question at all and does not explain the power ramp up at all.
10 minutes ago, Daeglan said:Heaven forbid someone ask world building questions about star wars movies. Because that is totally out of line for a forum about a role playing game.
Lying about the answers you're getting is the trolling part.
Edited by Stan Fresh1 minute ago, Stan Fresh said:Lying about the answers you're getting is the trolling part.
I never lied about the answers I have gotten. I have gotten a lot of non answers or non satisfying ones. Saying that dont answer my questions is not lying.
Edited by Daeglan6 minutes ago, Daeglan said:Saying she is nobody does not answer that question at all and does not explain the power ramp up at all.
You need to listen to all of the lines.
1 minute ago, micheldebruyn said:You need to listen to all of the lines.
what do you mean?
Just now, Daeglan said:what do you mean?
I mean that you can't just ignore the bit that explains her Force potential because it doesn't revolve around a bloodline.
1 minute ago, micheldebruyn said:I mean that you can't just ignore the bit that explains her Force potential because it doesn't revolve around a bloodline.
I saw nothing of the sort
6 minutes ago, Daeglan said:I saw nothing of the sort
Well, others did. It even has been quoted to you verbatim in this thread.