16 hours ago, Voltron64 said:

We are WAY off-topic, man.

Yep... sorry I take responsibility for that... erm I'll get us back on track... I love baby 'Yoda'

6 minutes ago, DidntFallAsleep66 said:

Yep... sorry I take responsibility for that... erm I'll get us back on track... I love baby 'Yoda'

Baby Yoda is awesome.

6 hours ago, Shizuya said:

where exactly can you see a nike logo on this shirt? have you ever seen any nike shirt without the logo on it? how good of a promotion is it if there is no visible indicator of nike being involved at all?

I stand corrected regarding the shirt.

Not about Nike’s involvement, but about LFL’s.

Doing a little research to verify, turns out it wasn’t cross-promotion at all. Despite the lack of the Nike “swoosh,” it’s all Nike. The shirts were part of Nike’s ad campaign for their Air Force One high tops, which were designed for women. It had nothing to do with Star Wars.

(The same shirt from the “controversial” picture. While not present on the outer design, we can see the “swoosh” on the tag inside.)

Or there’s just Nike’s page on the campaign: https://www.nike.com/us/en_us/e/cities/nyc/the-force-is-female

Thanks for clarifying I actually never knew it was from Nike. Nontheless Im sure its no coincidence or Nike promotion that Kennedy displayed herself wearing it.

Im not saying people arent overreacting because of it but it still has some merit concerning her ambitions with Star wars imo.

11 minutes ago, Shizuya said:

Thanks for clarifying I actually never knew it was from Nike. Nontheless Im sure its no coincidence or Nike promotion that Kennedy displayed herself wearing it.

Im not saying people arent overreacting because of it but it still has some merit concerning her ambitions with Star wars imo.

And when coupled with with the fact Rey never really had any significant failures and you other story decisions that in many ways push an agenda which lead to backlash. It is a whole lot of bad decision making...

Yes. An influential woman choosing to wear a shirt from an ad campaign focused on women that, for her specifically, can have a double meaning.

Horrifying.

Scandalous.

Unacceptable.

1 minute ago, Nytwyng said:

Yes. An influential woman choosing to wear a shirt from an ad campaign focused on women that, for her specifically, can have a double meaning.

Horrifying.

Scandalous.

Unacceptable.

The shirt alone is not the problem. You need to take everything together and when you do you can see how it can be taken badly.

2 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

And when coupled with with the fact Rey never really had any significant failures

I love this “fact.” She didn’t have any fewer failures or more significant triumphs than Luke did. What “agenda” was that pushing?

Just now, Daeglan said:

The shirt alone is not the problem. You need to take everything together and when you do you can see how it can be taken badly.

Oh, I quite understand how some make the conscious decision to take it badly. I just happen to think it’s rather silly of them to do so.

Just now, Nytwyng said:

I love this “fact.” She didn’t have any fewer failures or more significant triumphs than Luke did. What “agenda” was that pushing?

What failures? She beat a trained lightsaber wielder the first time she used lightsaber...she was able to fix the falcon better than Han, she freed herself from Kylo and so on. I did not see her ever really fail at anything.

11 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

What failures?

Banged up the Falcon and immediately ran into problems with its systems.

Attempted a cunning plan to cut Han off from the Guavian Death Gang and Kanjiklub, but ended up releasing the rathtars.

Went running off in fear after getting the “call to adventure,” and was immediately captured.

Went looking to bring Luke out of seclusion and got “training” so she’d leave him alone.

Got tossed around like a rag doll by Snoke.

Survived that only because what she thought was Kylo/Ben turning back to the light was a further reach for the dark and power.

For starters.

What did Luke endure that was demonstrably worse?

11 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

She beat a trained lightsaber wielder the first time she used lightsaber

You mean a character established with skill in using a melee weapon held her own against an opponent who was ordered to bring her in alive and was bleeding out in the snow after taking a bowcaster bolt to the gut? Yeah...she did.

11 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

she was able to fix the falcon better than Han

When did this happen? She flew the Falcon capably, yes. Better than Han? Where was that stated? Or are you referring to her familiarity with mods that were installed by Plutt while she was around after Han lost possession of the ship? Crazy she’d know something she saw that wasn’t there the last time Han saw the ship, innit?

11 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

she freed herself from Kylo and so on

On Starkiller? The hero escaped the villain...what an unthinkable concept.

12 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

I did not see her ever really fail at anything.

No more or less than Luke did. But I don’t see people screaming about that.

Not liking the character or movie is completely fair. There doesn’t have to be any deeper meaning to that than persona taste.

16 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

Banged up the Falcon and immediately ran into problems with its systems.

Attempted a cunning plan to cut Han off from the Guavian Death Gang and Kanjiklub, but ended up releasing the rathtars.

Went running off in fear after getting the “call to adventure,” and was immediately captured.

Went looking to bring Luke out of seclusion and got “training” so she’d leave him alone.

Got tossed around like a rag doll by Snoke.

Survived that only because what she thought was Kylo/Ben turning back to the light was a further reach for the dark and power.

For starters.

What did Luke endure that was demonstrably worse?

You mean a character established with skill in using a melee weapon held her own against an opponent who was ordered to bring her in alive and was bleeding out in the snow after taking a bowcaster bolt to the gut? Yeah...she did.

When did this happen? She flew the Falcon capably, yes. Better than Han? Where was that stated? Or are you referring to her familiarity with mods that were installed by Plutt while she was around after Han lost possession of the ship? Crazy she’d know something she saw that wasn’t there the last time Han saw the ship, innit?

On Starkiller? The hero escaped the villain...what an unthinkable concept.

No more or less than Luke did. But I don’t see people screaming about that.

Not liking the character or movie is completely fair. There doesn’t have to be any deeper meaning to that than persona taste.

yeah none of those had lasting consequences.

Lets see Luke took the restraining bolt off of R2 which resulted in him not being there to help his aunt and uncle and they died. Didn't Believe Yoda and couldnt lift his X-Wing out of the Swamp. Took a weapon into the Darkside tree against Yoda's advice. Failed to listen to Yoda went and faced Vader and lost his hand. Nearly fell to the Darkside when fighting Vader a second time.

So yeah Lukes failures were actual failures with lasting consequennces. Unlike Rey who didnt really lose anything. And I said she fixed the Falcon better than Han. not flew it better. Those for someone who never flew any starships at all she still did insanely well.

Don't you get tired of banging this drum relentlessly, @Daeglan ? You've had this exact same conversation on these boards at least a half dozen times. We get it. Bad writing. Rey is a Mary Sue. Move on.

3 hours ago, Daeglan said:

And when coupled with with the fact Rey never really had any significant failures and you other story decisions that in many ways push an agenda which lead to backlash. It is a whole lot of bad decision making...

Okay, let's say Rey was instead John, played by... let's go with Tom Holland, do you seriously think he'd been written differently at all?

4 minutes ago, micheldebruyn said:

Okay, let's say Rey was instead John, played by... let's go with Tom Holland, do you seriously think he'd been written differently at all?

No, but it doesn't matter to me because I'd still dislike the Rey character as written regardless of what actor played them (or the sex of the actor). I think the character stinks, not Daisy Ridley.

Back to the topic...

I've told my friends after TLJ, "Man, they have a ****-show of a plot to wrap up, EP 9 is going to be a mess."

This just continues to confirm that the ST was such a ****-show.

I initially hated TLJ because it seemed so incoherent to the ST, but after TFA and tRoS, I'm starting to come around to think TLJ is actually the best one out of the ST.

So she is the daughter of a failed clone... that's kinda a cool idea for a Star Wars plot. Sounds like something a player might come up with for a game. Too bad that didn't make it into the movie...

2 hours ago, micheldebruyn said:

Okay, let's say Rey was instead John, played by... let's go with Tom Holland, do you seriously think he'd been written differently at all?

the gender of the person who played the character does not change the fact that she never failed in any consequential way. there really wasnt anything she needed anyone else to do. Luke was rescued multiple times. Rey never needed rescuing. As Happy said the character was poorly written. That is not Daisy's fault. I think she did well with what she had. Problem was what she was given was garbage. And add to that that the didnt put the new cast together till the last movie... they had great chemistry...I wish they had a better thought out trilogy...I think the set up for Rey in the first movie was interesting. Too bad they never really did anything with it in the second movie...

6 hours ago, Vek Baustrade said:

Don't you get tired of banging this drum relentlessly, @Daeglan ? You've had this exact same conversation on these boards at least a half dozen times. We get it. Bad writing. Rey is a Mary Sue. Move on.

Cause he's a party pooper. Probably.

Remember how the EU went decades without serious errors and when when one popped up, nearly always from the prequels it could never have accounted for, it was used to create interesting world building? Now Disney can't go a couple months without major contradictions.

8 hours ago, Daeglan said:

yeah none of those had lasting consequences.

Hey, those goalposts weren’t here before, right?

3 hours ago, Daeglan said:

the gender of the person who played the character does not change the fact that she never failed in any consequential way. there really wasnt anything she needed anyone else to do. Luke was rescued multiple times. Rey never needed rescuing. As Happy said the character was poorly written. That is not Daisy's fault. I think she did well with what she had. Problem was what she was given was garbage. And add to that that the didnt put the new cast together till the last movie... they had great chemistry...I wish they had a better thought out trilogy...I think the set up for Rey in the first movie was interesting. Too bad they never really did anything with it in the second movie...

And this ties into "The Force is female" how exactly?

I thought the Force was gender neutral!! WHAAAAT? It's female....?

I had no knowledge of those Nikky tshirts... I honestly see it as a KK agenda right from the start - I'll hire a 'diverse' team of Wahmen and we can wear thsirts just to p*** off the ORIGINAL fan base as they are all 30+, obsolete, misogynistic, privileged white males... any publicity is good publicity.

In hindsight we should have all just turned our backs.. no Youtube rant videos, no KK updates, nothing... she's rolling around in money now.I certainly don't feel like a white, privvy male. Maybe working those 10 hour shifts made me a privvy male... maybe working in a 'Postive Discrimination' environment made me a prrivy white male..... I certainly don't feel privileged when I sit in the staffroom and try not to listen to the female staff, I know for a fact that if I said what they say against male staff and switched it to female staff they'd be on me like a pack rabid dogs in a second or I'd get hauled up in front of my line mamager - for the summer my plan is to flip the boot open and sit in the sun reading a SW novel.

Even though it pains me the current state of SW (apart from Mando) I'm done... The High Republic I'm not bothered about, I had the promo vid forced on me at a friends house. The brain storm board tells me enough thank you...

so back on the track. A novel is retconning a gap in the new 3 films? Well, they won't be having my money 👎 👎

12 hours ago, Nytwyng said:

I stand corrected regarding the shirt.

Not about Nike’s involvement, but about LFL’s.

Doing a little research to verify, turns out it wasn’t cross-promotion at all. Despite the lack of the Nike “swoosh,” it’s all Nike. The shirts were part of Nike’s ad campaign for their Air Force One high tops, which were designed for women. It had nothing to do with Star Wars.

(The same shirt from the “controversial” picture. While not present on the outer design, we can see the “swoosh” on the tag inside.)

Or there’s just Nike’s page on the campaign: https://www.nike.com/us/en_us/e/cities/nyc/the-force-is-female

But 'The Force' could be considered IP... it's the mainstay of the SW universe? Surely Disney should have sued?.... mind you if they're like Gibson guitars they'd only issue cease and desist orders to companies they knew they would win a case against

7 minutes ago, DidntFallAsleep66 said:

But 'The Force' could be considered IP... it's the mainstay of the SW universe? Surely Disney should have sued?.... mind you if they're like Gibson guitars they'd only issue cease and desist orders to companies they knew they would win a case against

No. The word "force" can't be considered IP. They'd have been laughed out of court.

23 minutes ago, micheldebruyn said:

No. The word "force" can't be considered IP. They'd have been laughed out of court.

spose so.. they could have made a mockumentary comedy scene on SNL though (more cowbell)