2 minutes ago, DanteRotterdam said:

You are still pointing at the content when it is the reach I am trying to relate to you. I understand that people who don’t like the st or tlj or bloody Home Alone are not on the same level of idiocy as those nutjobs or any level at all (although if you don’t like Home Alone...) but the current media climate allows for fringe groups to feel like they matter a heck of a lot more than they do and in yes I believe that the people so invested in hating a movie (or series of movies) are indeed a fringe group.

you're free to believe that, doesn't mean it's the truth

from multiple discussions I had (irl and forums related to star wars or not), I believe otherwise

And this is why I kept pushing the subject. You know who else don’t think they are part a fringe group because of discussions they had irl and forums? Other people in fringe groups. Enjoy your echo chamber.

16 minutes ago, DanteRotterdam said:

And this is why I kept pushing the subject. You know who else don’t think they are part a fringe group because of discussions they had irl and forums? Other people in fringe groups. Enjoy your echo chamber.

because your argument of "they're not a fringe group because I don't think they are" is so much more convincing

media and the net have existed for decades now. but enjoy saying the moon is made of cheese just because you believe so

19 minutes ago, MB -Fr- said:

because your argument of "they're not a fringe group because I don't think they are" is so much more convincing

I suggest you read the whole thread before having people repeat themselves. I didn’t base my argument on a gut feeling or anecdotes. You did.

1 hour ago, DanteRotterdam said:

You are still pointing at the content when it is the reach I am trying to relate to you. I understand that people who don’t like the st or tlj or bloody Home Alone are not on the same level of idiocy as those nutjobs. I actually don’t believe they are orn any level Of idiocy at all (although if you don’t like Home Alone...)

*ahem*

(Has never seen nor had interest in seeing Home Alone . 😜 )

On 3/13/2020 at 6:34 PM, Nytwyng said:

*ahem*

(Has never seen nor had interest in seeing Home Alone . 😜 )

You missed out.
It is basically Die Hard jr

5 minutes ago, DanteRotterdam said:

You missed out.
It is basically Die Hard jr

I’ll rewatch Die Hard instead. 😜

Seriously, though, I’ve just never even had any curiosity in seeing it. But then, I’ve always found that a (very) little Macaulay Culkin goes a (very) long way for me.

Although the revelation to our GM that neither I, my wife, nor our son who are all some of his players had ever seen it and weren’t interested in seeing it led him to improv our pursuit of a sniper in that day’s session to take us through a series of Home Alone traps. And the only one harmed by them was the other player who loves the movie, who suffered fall damage that would have been fatal except for GM fiat since she fell victim to his directing the traps at the rest of us. 🤣

1 hour ago, Nytwyng said:

Seriously, though, I’ve just never even had any curiosity in seeing it. But then, I’ve always found that a (very) little Macaulay Culkin goes a (very) long way for me.

I love that guy... he has more money than he knows what to do with it, one day he said “I wonder what Paris is like!” so he moved to Paris, he is unapologetic about his drug use and he basically does whatever he wants to do. And we all have to sit around thinking something went wrong with the kid... he had sex with Mila Kunis back when she was hoooottttt!

Man... if it wasn’t for him constantly sticking up for Michael Jackson I would have him as our Supreme Leader.

Rey is a Mary Sue. She has been since the Force Awakens. She is a product of her time which is a period of time where diversity was pushed at the expense of quality of stories. There is a TLJ thread where some of the posters mentioned that Rey's giant flaw is that she never believed that she could do it because she came from 'ordinary parents' or 'nobodies' as Kylo pointed out. That flaw is now out the window. She is not ordinary. Her grandfather is probably the most powerful force user that ever existed.

However, Rey grew on me. She brought female fans to SW and is the face of a new generation of little girls who have become fans of the franchise and for that I have no problem with the character.

3 hours ago, Sincereagape said:

Rey is a Mary Sue. She has been since the Force Awakens. She is a product of her time which is a period of time where diversity was pushed at the expense of quality of stories. There is a TLJ thread where some of the posters mentioned that Rey's giant flaw is that she never believed that she could do it because she came from 'ordinary parents' or 'nobodies' as Kylo pointed out. That flaw is now out the window. She is not ordinary. Her grandfather is probably the most powerful force user that ever existed.

However, Rey grew on me. She brought female fans to SW and is the face of a new generation of little girls who have become fans of the franchise and for that I have no problem with the character.

I prefer Ahsoka.

1 minute ago, Daeglan said:

I prefer Ahsoka.

She's not my favorite Star Wars character, nor even my favorite female Star Wars character, but since Rey is almost at the bottom of my list, I guess I agree with you.

For what it's worth, I prefer Asajj Ventriss and her story arc to that of Ahsoka.

1 hour ago, HappyDaze said:

She's not my favorite Star Wars character, nor even my favorite female Star Wars character, but since Rey is almost at the bottom of my list, I guess I agree with you.

For what it's worth, I prefer Asajj Ventriss and her story arc to that of Ahsoka.

I am not an asajj fan but i can see the appeal

11 hours ago, Sincereagape said:

Rey is a Mary Sue.

She manages to mess up quite a bit for a Mary Sue.

7 minutes ago, DanteRotterdam said:

She manages to mess up quite a bit for a Mary Sue.

With no lasting negative consequences or things turning up to a positive outcome, which is also a mark of one, according to some authors I read the critics of

she doesn’t, for example, lose a hand and has her training cut short because she’s too impulsive to keep training and rushed to save her friends

She does need the antagonist to safe her life resulting in him becoming the Supreme Leader and in turn getting Luke killed.

2 hours ago, MB -Fr- said:

she doesn’t, for example, lose a hand and has her training cut short because she’s too impulsive to keep training and rushed to save her friends

She... does cut her training short in a rush to impulsively save her... frenemy.

33 minutes ago, micheldebruyn said:

She... does cut her training short in a rush to impulsively save her... frenemy.

Nope

since she literally had no training from Luke except a pep talk about the force then him refusing to teach, she didn’t cut anything short

14 minutes ago, MB -Fr- said:

Nope

since it literally had no training from Luke except a pep talk about the force then him refusing to teach, she didn’t cut anything short

It? Seriously?

7 minutes ago, micheldebruyn said:

It? Seriously?

She, on phone between 2 work smoke breaks. Sry

In fact even Rose Tico is a more likable character. She has a hilariously flawed logic, but the fact, that she has her flaws - contrary to Rey - makes her way more relatable.

Leia, Ventress, Ashoka, Padme... Star Wars always had many likable female heroes. My 5 yrs old daughter loves Ashoka (and Anakin) but thinks Rey ist stupid (o-tone). And as she is female, I take her evaluation seriously.

4 hours ago, MB -Fr- said:

Nope

since she literally had no training from Luke except a pep talk about the force then him refusing to teach, she didn’t cut anything short

And it was Luke that cut her training short. When she was drawn to the dark that Luke made no effort to teach why this was bad....

41 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

And it was Luke that cut her training short. When she was drawn to the dark that Luke made no effort to teach why this was bad....

That’s not when she left, though. She still stayed at that point. Even disregarding the deleted scene of the third lesson (because, well...deleted scene 😜 ), it was after her brief skirmish with Luke, and holding him at saber point that she stormed off, convinced that she could turn Ren/Ben back to the light and he’d help put an end to the First Order.

In the words of Jayne Cobb, what she planned and what actually happened wasn’t exactly similar.

15 hours ago, DarthDude said:

In fact even Rose Tico is a more likable character. She has a hilariously flawed logic, but the fact, that she has her flaws - contrary to Rey - makes her way more relatable.

Leia, Ventress, Ashoka, Padme... Star Wars always had many likable female heroes. My 5 yrs old daughter loves Ashoka (and Anakin) but thinks Rey ist stupid (o-tone). And as she is female, I take her evaluation seriously.

I am puzzled by the inclusion of Ventress on a list of "likeable female heroes." I know she got some redemption later on, but wasn't the majority of her screen time as a villain (and not a particularly sympathetic one)?

1 hour ago, Vlad3theImpaler said:

I am puzzled by the inclusion of Ventress on a list of "likeable female heroes." I know she got some redemption later on, but wasn't the majority of her screen time as a villain (and not a particularly sympathetic one)?

it may be as she had some depth as a character they used the word heroes? but I for one only know her as a villain in the same lines a Maul

1 hour ago, Vlad3theImpaler said:

I am puzzled by the inclusion of Ventress on a list of "likeable female heroes." I know she got some redemption later on, but wasn't the majority of her screen time as a villain (and not a particularly sympathetic one)?

I'm not saying she's "likable" in the sense I'd want to spend time with her at a party, I'm saying that she had an arc of character development that I found interesting. This includes the Dark Disciple novel, which follows up on her not-so-Dark period. It also doesn't hurt that much of her story is linked to Dooku, a villain I liked better than most.