Reagan had quite a few socialist policies as well.
How would a healthcare system in Star Wars work?
5 minutes ago, Daeglan said:Odd I dont seem to recall saying we dont have corruption. But if you want to limit corruption. stop giving government power to sell.
Democratic socialism ain’t about giving government the power to sell, its about worker’s rights, not big government in fact it’s the origin of libertarianism.
1 minute ago, Tramp Graphics said:There's no difference. Venezuela is proof of that. Socialism, in any form , destroys economies.
No America’s most prosperous years where the height of the New Deal era, and it’s decline started under Nixon.
^^^^ This.
Do we need to be talking real world politics on a Game Board? Isn't that like a topic that would usually get shut down
Just now, CloudyLemonade92 said:Do we need to be talking real world politics on a Game Board? Isn't that like a topic that would usually get shut down
Didn’t they lay everyone off?
Just now, CloudyLemonade92 said:Do we need to be talking real world politics on a Game Board? Isn't that like a topic that would usually get shut down
One would hope so, but the original topic was kinda asking for it. Otherwise I wouldn't even be involved. That said, I'm dropping out now. Getting a tad too heated for my tastes.
Just now, StarkJunior said:Cool, let's see a codified list, comparing and contrasting every single policy with those of individual Scandinavian countries.
Well here is one. They don't tax companies in Sweden. Bernie wants to tax them more. Bernie wants single payer healthcare. They have private and government healthcare in Sweden. They have much fewer regulations on companies and no minimum wage in Sweden. So yeah i agree we should be more like Sweden. But what Bernies Policies do is not make us more like Sweden.
Just now, DanteRotterdam said:One example is not proof.
How many times does it have to fail for you to figure it out? I am not aware of any instance of it working. It didnt work in Sweden. Hence why they moved away from socialism.
Was the USSR Socialism?
Was East Germany Socialism?
Is Cuba Socialism?
Is there anywhere you can point to where it worked?
10 minutes ago, Eoen said:Democratic socialism ain’t about giving government the power to sell, its about worker’s rights, not big government in fact it’s the origin of libertarianism.
No America’s most prosperous years where the height of the New Deal era, and it’s decline started under Nixon.
You mean After the New Deal ended.
And if Democratic Socialims is about workers rights it probably should stop stealing from workers to benefit those in Power.
2 minutes ago, Daeglan said:Well here is one. They don't tax companies in Sweden. Bernie wants to tax them more. Bernie wants single payer healthcare. They have private and government healthcare in Sweden. They have much fewer regulations on companies and no minimum wage in Sweden. So yeah i agree we should be more like Sweden. But what Bernies Policies do is not make us more like Sweden.
Lmao, the corporate tax rate in Sweden is 22%.
1 minute ago, Daeglan said:You mean After the New Deal ended
We still utilize New Deal policies and programs.
10 minutes ago, Eoen said:Democratic socialism ain’t about giving government the power to sell, its about worker’s rights, not big government in fact it’s the origin of libertarianism.
No America’s most prosperous years where the height of the New Deal era, and it’s decline started under Nixon.
And it went up under Reagan when he got the government out of business.
1 minute ago, Daeglan said:You mean After the New Deal ended.
No I mean America has been in decline since the Nixon era.
2 minutes ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:One would hope so, but the original topic was kinda asking for it. Otherwise I wouldn't even be involved. That said, I'm dropping out now. Getting a tad too heated for my tastes.
You tossed in logs of your own. Big ones, filled with..."inaccuracies" would be a polite term.
But of the most vapid phrases so far here was "I've never seen a government program that works". This person has obviously never heard of "Social Security", and won't *want* to know about it, because you can directly measure the economic impact of it. Before Social Security, 50% of the elderly were living in poverty...and I mean "cat food and Wonder Bread" poverty. This has slowly declined to around 10% now. That's a first in the history of the human species, so I'd say that works pretty well.
1 minute ago, Tramp Graphics said:And it went up under Reagan when he got the government out of business.
Nope. His policies don’t work. ESPECIALLY, Reaganomics.
Edited by StarkJuniorJust now, Tramp Graphics said:And it went up under Reagan when he got the government out of business.
The tripled the national debt, expanded government, but he won the Cold War but then we ended up with neoliberals and neoconservatives running everything, robbing and stealing everything not nailed down.
2 minutes ago, StarkJunior said:Lmao, the corporate tax rate in Sweden is 22%.
We still utilize New Deal policies and programs.
22% is lower than ours.
Yeah we still use the Ponzi scheme that is a terrible idea and give those who pay into it less money than what they put in. I see that as a bad thing.
Just now, Eoen said:No I mean America has been in decline since the Nixon era.
Not quite. America was on a decline during the Vietnam War because of the unrest surrounding it and because the government was screwing it up.
Just now, StarkJunior said:Nope. His policies don’t work.
Wrong. His policies brought us out of a severe Recession, They brought down the Berlin Wall, and saw the collapse of Communism in Russia.
2 minutes ago, Eoen said:No I mean America has been in decline since the Nixon era.
And I mean things improved when much of the New Deal ended post WWII.
2 minutes ago, Daeglan said:And I mean things improved when much of the New Deal ended post WWII.
It ended in the 1970s when I was a kid. I lived through the end. The space program and the whole military industrial complex are part of the new deal.
Edited by EoenJust now, Daeglan said:22% is lower than ours.
Yeah we still use the Ponzi scheme that is a terrible idea and give those who pay into it less money than what they put in. I see that as a bad thing.
You said they don’t tax corporations in Sweden - they do. It’s lower because they have a strong collective bargaining state and corporations can’t exploit people as easily so there’s less need to tax them higher.
Im referring to Social Security, and the Medicare, Medicaid, ect. that was developed out of it.
1 minute ago, Eoen said:It ended in the 1970s when I was a kid. I lived through the end.
No much of the New Deal Programs ended Post WWII. Which is why there was a big boom after WWII.
Did y’all just miss whafrog’s post about Social Security?
Also Reagan wasn’t the sole contributor to all of that. It’s WAY more nuanced.
Just now, Daeglan said:No much of the New Deal Programs ended Post WWII. Which is why there was a big boom after WWII.
There was a boom because we won World War Two and where the only industrial power standing. We won the war because we pulled together and got **** done for a brief moment of our history and that spirit carried forward under the space program until the military industrial complex cannibalized the rest of the government after the death of Kennedy. The real pension programs continued on until the 70’s when Wall Street started cannibalizing our industrial base.
3 minutes ago, StarkJunior said:Did y’all just miss whafrog’s post about Social Security?
Also Reagan wasn’t the sole contributor to all of that. It’s WAY more nuanced.
Reagan almost a saint to the right, never mind how scandalous his administration was.
Just now, StarkJunior said:You said they don’t tax corporations in Sweden - they do. It’s lower because they have a strong collective bargaining state and corporations can’t exploit people as easily so there’s less need to tax them higher.
Im referring to Social Security, and the Medicare, Medicaid, ect. that was developed out of it.
Medicare didnt exist before 1965. and was over budget day 1. and has been steadily jacking up the cost of healthcare in the US for 65 years. Medicaid came fairly long after Medicare. And both programs have been slowly eating up most of the budget at an increasing rate. It was suppose to reduce the cost of health care. The problem is it has been increasing the cost of health for 65 years. And the actions of government during WWII created the insurance monster we have today.
5 minutes ago, Daeglan said:Medicare didnt exist before 1965. and was over budget day 1. and has been steadily jacking up the cost of healthcare in the US for 65 years. Medicaid came fairly long after Medicare. And both programs have been slowly eating up most of the budget at an increasing rate. It was suppose to reduce the cost of health care. The problem is it has been increasing the cost of health for 65 years. And the actions of government during WWII created the insurance monster we have today.
Lmao, the military is our single biggest expenditure. Nonsense overspending.
I am well aware of when they started - but they are administered by the SSA, thus making them a result of a New Deal Policy.