20 hours ago, penpenpen said:

Oh, for the love of all that's sacred, don't push this further and mention the o-word.

What “o” word?

20 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

https://nypost.com/2017/03/22/that-world-happiness-survey-is-complete-crap/

By what metric would you then make the claim that the happiest nation takes the highest amount of anti-depressants?

23 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

https://nypost.com/2017/03/22/that-world-happiness-survey-is-complete-crap/

Well, this dude makes the extraordinairy claim that you get a completely different happiest-nations list if you exclude most of Europe, and also claims that surveys from 2012 don't match surveys from 2017. Gosh.

That is a ny post (really?) opinion piece on the validity of happiness surveys. I know you’re not trying to push this off as a citation for your statement that the happiest nations have the largest antidepressant use, you know, the thing I asked a citation for.
You can not possibly be that intellectually dishonest can you???

7 minutes ago, DanteRotterdam said:

That is a ny post (really?) opinion piece on the validity of happiness surveys. I know you’re not trying to push this off as a citation for your statement that the happiest nations have the largest antidepressant use, you know, the thing I asked a citation for.
You can not possibly be that intellectually dishonest can you???

have...have you not been reading this thread? 🤣

2 hours ago, Darth Revenant said:

... the US is not the happiest nation. They're not even in the top ten for 2019 https://www.inc.com/melanie-curtin/the-top-10-happiest-countries-on-earth-according-to-un.html as you can see the winner was Norway. From North America you have Canada in the top 10.

I never said the US is. And as thenarticle i posted says the methodology is suspect and the results are inconsistant and cultural variations cause problems.

8 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

I never said the US is. And as thenarticle i posted says the methodology is suspect and the results are inconsistant and cultural variations cause problems.

You did say this.

3 hours ago, Daeglan said:

Sure. but to say we are the happiest while needing to use antidepressants makes me question the claim. I have seen lots of info on the claim and I dont think it quite shakes out the way you think.

Seems like you said we, which would imply you're part of the happiest. Now I could be wrong and you're from Finland, in which case hey that's nice.

1 hour ago, Darth Revenant said:

You did say this.

Seems like you said we, which would imply you're part of the happiest. Now I could be wrong and you're from Finland, in which case hey that's nice.

your reading comprehension is lacking. reread that carefully and think about what it actually says
Because caveat involving antidepressants. makes my meaning clearly not what you think it is

7 hours ago, DanteRotterdam said:

That is a ny post (really?) opinion piece on the validity of happiness surveys. I know you’re not trying to push this off as a citation for your statement that the happiest nations have the largest antidepressant use, you know, the thing I asked a citation for.
You can not possibly be that intellectually dishonest can you???

*crickets chirping*

7 hours ago, Daeglan said:

your reading comprehension is lacking. reread that carefully and think about what it actually says
Because caveat involving antidepressants. makes my meaning clearly not what you think it is

And you seem to be forgetting several capital letters as well as some punctuation. It could also imply that you're also using anti-depressants, if that's the case then we apparently have something in common. But that is really only where it would lead me if taken on its own. Because you made some previous statements while leading up to that one. So, lets go down memory lane.

13 hours ago, Daeglan said:

The happiest people on earth sure seem to use far more antidepressants than the rest of the world...I find the claim dubious.

Yeah, that makes it seem like you're talking about whoever are the happiest people and that they would be leading in use of anti-depressants. Not that anti-depressants really make you happy, but I'm sure you knew that. No euphoric effect or anything like that.

12 hours ago, Daeglan said:

Sure. but to say we are the happiest while needing to use antidepressants makes me question the claim. I have seen lots of info on the claim and I dont think it quite shakes out the way you think.

So yes, this could be talking about you as a part of mankind as a whole then I guess or you talking as someone taking anti-depressants as well. But nobody ever said humans are at their happiest while taking anti-depressants, because that's really not how those pills work. You also missed an apostrophe there at don't. Anyway the statement is clearly not quite as clear as you would like. Because if it's not talking about the happiest people then I have really no idea what it's about. Nobody said people are at their happiest while using anti-depressants, because again, that's not how those pills work. They don't make you happy, they just lessen some of the symptoms of depression which can be fun things like agoraphobia and memory loss. They also give you increased anxiety while you're getting used to them. Not really a happy time.

Nah he is just implying that a country cannot have both the highest number of happy people and have a large proportion of its citizens on antidepressants. Again showing a complete and utter lack of understanding in cause and effect... but not only that he also has no idea what antidepressants do and how numbers work.
And all of that on top of being a completely self-centered person with zero empathy.

Wow. This thread took an even weirder turn.

You know, I would expect countries that have have better access to health care to have more people on antidepressants. Depression is FAR more common that most people think. And if you have a system that encourages regular check-ups, doctors will be able to diagnosis it.

I am on antidepressants, and I am generally pretty happy. My unhappiness is often linked to the incompetence of our current (American) government.

Mental health is such a weird subject in the US, I hope it's not as taboo in other countries.

3 hours ago, DanteRotterdam said:

Nah he is just implying that a country cannot have both the highest number of happy people and have a large proportion of its citizens on antidepressants. Again showing a complete and utter lack of understanding in cause and effect... but not only that he also has no idea what antidepressants do and how numbers work.
And all of that on top of being a completely self-centered person with zero empathy.

No. I am saying I am dubious that the claims have any basis in reality. As self reporting in notoriously inaccurate. Cultural norms will effect what ones says they are. I dont know that there is any way to get actual reliable numbers on which countries are happiest. IE not a useful metric in any way.

So you’re saying you discount non-useful metrics? Or only when you and right-leaning news sites don’t find them useful?

2 minutes ago, DanteRotterdam said:

So you’re saying you discount non-useful metrics? Or only when you and right-leaning news sites don’t find them useful?

I am saying making a claim that is that rife with problems is not useful.

I wish you would use that logic all the time.

4 hours ago, DanteRotterdam said:

Nah he is just implying that a country cannot have both the highest number of happy people and have a large proportion of its citizens on antidepressants. Again showing a complete and utter lack of understanding in cause and effect... but not only that he also has no idea what antidepressants do and how numbers work.
And all of that on top of being a completely self-centered person with zero empathy.

I am trying to find the article I read but evidently Nordic countries have a higher level of Seasonally Affected Disorder which skews the data on anti-depressants. Update when I find the article.

I am quite sure they do. If you are trying to find it for my sake then don’t bother though. I was trying for Daeglan to give citations for his dubious claims and so far he hasn’t. At all.

40 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

I am saying making a claim that is that rife with problems is not useful.

like, say, claiming that deregulations are a miracle solution to lower prices and keep everyone honest?

you're a master of the double standard apparently

Like I said before I am on antidepressants myself but am overall quite, no scratxh that, very happy with my life. Yet somehow Daeglan thinks it is weird that (according to him) most antidepressants are used in countries that are also saying they are quite happy.
Of course he didn’t provide citations for that, has ignored people that provided citations that showed him the opposite was true and has shown to have no actual knowledge of what depression really is.

18 hours ago, DanteRotterdam said:

That is a ny post (really?) opinion piece on the validity of happiness surveys. I know you’re not trying to push this off as a citation for your statement that the happiest nations have the largest antidepressant use, you know, the thing I asked a citation for.
You can not possibly be that intellectually dishonest can you???

10 hours ago, DanteRotterdam said:

*crickets chirping*

And now some grasshoppers have joined in!!!

4 hours ago, DanteRotterdam said:

Like I said before I am on antidepressants myself but am overall quite, no scratxh that, very happy with my life. Yet somehow Daeglan thinks it is weird that (according to him) most antidepressants are used in countries that are also saying they are quite happy.
Of course he didn’t provide citations for that, has ignored people that provided citations that showed him the opposite was true and has shown to have no actual knowledge of what depression really is.

yes it is weird. I also find it weird that no 2 reports on the subject agree and I also acknowledge the methodologies used to come to these conclusions is kind of weird. So tell me why should I take these claims as gospel?

1 hour ago, Daeglan said:

yes it is weird. I also find it weird that no 2 reports on the subject agree and I also acknowledge the methodologies used to come to these conclusions is kind of weird. So tell me why should I take these claims as gospel?

What specifically about the OECD's methodology do you find weird?

7 minutes ago, micheldebruyn said:

What specifically about the OECD's methodology do you find weird?

The fact they don’t confirm his worldview.

I’m not sure why you guys are saying people on anti-depression meds are happy. Medical happiness is not the real deal.