Just now, Eoen said:

Your bar isn’t realistic input humans into any institution and you get corruption.

And yet I am suppose to believe that "If you set it up right it will be fine" There is no way to set it up right.

Just now, Eoen said:

The two strains of libertarianism are intrinsically linked sharing core values.

I would tend to disagree. As socialism and Libertarianism are diametrically opposed.

Just now, Daeglan said:

And yet I am suppose to believe that "If you set it up right it will be fine" There is no way to set it up right.

I’ve never insinuated that it wasn’t a constant struggle, that’s why the founders set up checks and balances.

2 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

I would tend to disagree. As socialism and Libertarianism are diametrically opposed.

Nope tied at the hip, the end goal of communism is the withering away of the state.

I love this Star Wars thread about Star Wars

2 minutes ago, Eoen said:

Nope tied at the hip, the end goal of communism is the withering away of the state.

Weird because that has literally never happened. In fact the exact opposite has happened everytime.

3 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

Weird because that has literally never happened. In fact the exact opposite has happened everytime.

“The society which organizes production anew on the basis of free and equal association of the producers will put the whole state machinery where it will then belong—into the museum of antiquities, next to the spinning wheel and the bronze ax.“ -Engels

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withering_away_of_the_state

Yeah humans got involved in the equation.

19 minutes ago, Eoen said:

“The society which organizes production anew on the basis of free and equal association of the producers will put the whole state machinery where it will then belong—into the museum of antiquities, next to the spinning wheel and the bronze ax.“ -Engels

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withering_away_of_the_state

Yeah humans got involved in the equation.

I have never heard any libertarians use his thinking. Probably because I don't associate with Libertarin socialists because it has been pretty thoroughly demonstrated that that path does not get desired results and results in far far more government intervention.

37 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

Weird because that has literally never happened.

Said the guy advocating a system that has never happened.

42 minutes ago, Dayham said:

I love this Star Wars thread about Star Wars

Since Star Wars is a galaxy far far away and a long time ago, it could be argued that our planet is in the Star Wars universe, so every topic is fair game.

5 minutes ago, Eoen said:

Since Star Wars is a galaxy far far away and a long time ago, it could be argued that our planet is in the Star Wars universe, so every topic is fair game.

based on discussions. the ET species is in the Andromeda Galaxy and they are in the Star wars Galaxy so the Star Wars Galaxy is the Andromeda Galaxy.

10 minutes ago, DanteRotterdam said:

Said the guy advocating a system that has never happened.

Well I would rather try something new than repeatedly try a system that fails everytime and results in people starving.

2 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

based on discussions. the ET species is in the Andromeda Galaxy and they are in the Star wars Galaxy so the Star Wars Galaxy is the Andromeda Galaxy.

So since Sol is on the *** end of our Galaxy and the force doesn’t work or barely works here I suggest we are human colonists living in the Vong galaxy.

2 minutes ago, Eoen said:

So since Sol is on the *** end of our Galaxy and the force doesn’t work or barely works here I suggest we are human colonists living in the Vong galaxy.

Valid

34 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

Well I would rather try something new than repeatedly try a system that fails everytime and results in people starving.

Or... we could follow a system that actually works and has led to the happiest people on Earth.

You know... I am not the biggest fan of Greek cuisine. But I love me some tzaziki And feta... I guess I can take some things from something I generally don’t like and enjoy them.

1 hour ago, DanteRotterdam said:

Or... we could follow a system that actually works and has led to the happiest people on Earth.

The happiest people on earth sure seem to use far more antidepressants than the rest of the world...I find the claim dubious.

15 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

The happiest people on earth sure seem to use far more antidepressants than the rest of the world...I find the claim dubious.

Citation needed

Also, as a happy person who is on antidepressants I find your reply ignorant. But I’ll add it to the looooong list of things you are completely ignorant about.

12 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

The happiest people on earth sure seem to use far more antidepressants than the rest of the world...I find the claim dubious.

The USA is still the world leader in anti-depressant consumption per capita.

8 minutes ago, DanteRotterdam said:

Also, as a happy person who is on antidepressants I find your reply ignorant. But I’ll add it to the looooong list of things you are completely ignorant about.

6 minutes ago, micheldebruyn said:

The USA is still the world leader in anti-depressant consumption per capita.

Sure. but to say we are the happiest while needing to use antidepressants makes me question the claim. I have seen lots of info on the claim and I dont think it quite shakes out the way you think.

11 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

Sure. but to say we are the happiest while needing to use antidepressants makes me question the claim. I have seen lots of info on the claim and I dont think it quite shakes out the way you think.

https://www.businessinsider.com/countries-largest-antidepressant-drug-users-2016-11?r=US&IR=T

This is from 2016, but if you got something more recent, feel free to share.

5 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

Sure. but to say we are the happiest while needing to use antidepressants makes me question the claim. I have seen lots of info on the claim and I dont think it quite shakes out the way you think.

... the US is not the happiest nation. They're not even in the top ten for 2019 https://www.inc.com/melanie-curtin/the-top-10-happiest-countries-on-earth-according-to-un.html as you can see the winner was Norway. From North America you have Canada in the top 10.

21 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

but to say we are the happiest while needing to use antidepressants makes me question the claim.

Weird.. I never claimed to live in the happiest nation.
Also, you seem to have no idea what depression and/or the use of antidepressants actually means.

24 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

I have seen lots of info on the claim and I dont think it quite shakes out the way you think

Then it should not be hard to show those citations.

1 hour ago, DanteRotterdam said:

Weird.. I never claimed to live in the happiest nation.
Also, you seem to have no idea what depression and/or the use of antidepressants actually means.

Then it should not be hard to show those citations.

https://nypost.com/2017/03/22/that-world-happiness-survey-is-complete-crap/