37 minutes ago, Daeglan said:Why would anyone else be responsible for a choice you voluntarily made? If you didnt pick a major that can pay off that loan whose fault is that?
The privilege is strong with this one.
How would a healthcare system in Star Wars work?
28 minutes ago, Daeglan said:Why would anyone else be responsible for a choice you voluntarily made? If you didnt pick a major that can pay off that loan whose fault is that?
It wasn't a choice I made it was drilled into my head by my family and society in general that I had to go to school. Not that either of those groups wanted to help me with tuition. I even tried joining the Navy to pay for it, but I was turned down because I was allergic to milk.
I had a decent job after college too, had my loans down to 28k, then the Banks pumped and dumped the economy and everyone in my field was out of work at the same time. As for my choice of careers I learnt what I am talented and passionate about, just like the bible tells us to; not all of us are cut out to be doctors and engineers, and society is poorer without a diverse pool of talent.
Just now, DanteRotterdam said:The privilege is strong with this one.
Why am I responsible for your choices? Why is anyone other than you responsible for your choices? I never went to college. i got into IT so I didnt get this huge college bill that I have to pay off. No one made you go to college. no one made you take on those loans. I dont know why I should feel bad for your voluntary choices.
I can't wait for the "How would student loans in Star Wars work?" thread.
4 minutes ago, Daeglan said:Well no it doesnt work very well in other countries
Yes, it does.
4 minutes ago, Daeglan said:And when I suggest getting rid of the things that increase costs you fight it and suggest the only wayu to solve this is government. Which last I checks has never solved anything really.
You do realize there aren't any standardized prices for anything, right? It's due to something called the chargemaster, which allows hospitals to charge you whatever basically, all because of private insurance billing. And it's all so hard to understand - written in code or whatever - that it makes it impossible for anyone to understand who isn't staff or a doctor or an insurance provider. It's stupid, and dumb.
It's why the same procedure can cost different things - still inane prices - depending on where you go, and the only way to control that is through regulation.
And how do you do that regulation? Governmental oversight.
7 minutes ago, Daeglan said:Which last I checks has never solved anything really.
I don't even have the time to compile all the things the government has solved.
3 minutes ago, Kualan said:I can't wait for the "How would student loans in Star Wars work?" thread.
The Empire has public higher education, but if you fail, its off the Mimban.
5 minutes ago, Daeglan said:Why am I responsible for your choices? Why is anyone other than you responsible for your choices? I never went to college. i got into IT so I didnt get this huge college bill that I have to pay off. No one made you go to college. no one made you take on those loans. I dont know why I should feel bad for your voluntary choices.
First of all, I have no student loans. Second of all, unlike you, I was taught empathy.
8 minutes ago, Daeglan said:Why am I responsible for your choices? Why is anyone other than you responsible for your choices? I never went to college. i got into IT so I didnt get this huge college bill that I have to pay off. No one made you go to college. no one made you take on those loans. I dont know why I should feel bad for your voluntary choices.
Ah, the old American "**** you, got mine" mindset. What a great way to live.
2 minutes ago, StarkJunior said:Ah, the old American "**** you, got mine" mindset. What a great way to live.
No. The American take responsibility for your choices. You made them. Don't expect others to fix your life for you. Tends to happen when you advocate policies that amount to steal from others to make up for my bad choices.
5 minutes ago, DanteRotterdam said:First of all, I have no student loans. Second of all, unlike you, I was taught empathy.
I was taught personal responsibility.
2 minutes ago, Daeglan said:No. The American take responsibility for your choices. You made them. Don't expect others to fix your life for you. Tends to happen when you advocate policies that amount to steal from others to make up for my bad choices.
Cool, more "**** you, got mine".
Again -
2 minutes ago, Daeglan said:No. The American take responsibility for your choices. You made them. Don't expect others to fix your life for you. Tends to happen when you advocate policies that amount to steal from others to make up for my bad choices.
You are a horrible person.
16 minutes ago, Daeglan said:Why am I responsible for your choices?
As famously said by the good samaritan.
You are not a nation unto yourself. You are a individual, a member of a larger society. You almost certainly use roads, public transit, and/or infrastructure, brought to you by your local government, and partly funded by your federal government, neither of which is a faceless mass of bureaucrats who are only looking for their piece of your pie. They are people -- public servants -- trying to do the best they can to make things work as well as possible. If you are incapable of realizing any of these things, you are not very self aware.
22 minutes ago, Daeglan said:No. The American take responsibility for your choices. You made them. Don't expect others to fix your life for you. Tends to happen when you advocate policies that amount to steal from others to make up for my bad choices.
where it breaks down is that you assume everyone has nice options to their choice
sure, all for personal responsibility, but sometimes people only have the choice between charybdis & scylla. simple example: being forced to do criminal acts to get food on the table for you or your family to survive
it's easy to despise people when they do the things they do out of greed, but not everyone does
Just now, MB -Fr- said:where it breaks down is that you assume everyone has nice options to their choice
sure, all for personal responsibility, but sometimes people only have the choice between charybdis & scylla. simple example: being forced to do criminal acts to get food on the table for you or your family to survive
it's easy to despise people when they do the things they do out of greed, but not everyone does
We are not all dealt the same hand sure. But I do not have empathy for someone who is attempting to hold a gun to my head via government to solve their problems. Especially when I have suggested ways to fix the problem that already are providing better options in other areas.
4 minutes ago, Daeglan said:We are not all dealt the same hand sure. But I do not have empathy for someone who is attempting to hold a gun to my head via government to solve their problems. Especially when I have suggested ways to fix the problem that already are providing better options in other areas.
No one is holding a gun to your head, and empathy and compassion for those who suffer (or just, humanity) should not be conditional.
3 minutes ago, StarkJunior said:No one is holding a gun to your head, and empathy and compassion for those who suffer (or just, humanity) should not be conditional.
No, that was him re-contextualizing so that he has a reason to believe this hypothetical person is unworthy of basic human decency.
Edited by Vek Baustrade40 minutes ago, StarkJunior said:No one is holding a gun to your head, and empathy and compassion for those who suffer (or just, humanity) should not be conditional.
When you try and use government to force people to do what you want it always implies violence if they dont comply. Which is what single payer results in. so yes you are. The fact you hide behind government does not change that fact.
38 minutes ago, Vek Baustrade said:No, that was him re-contextualizing so that he has a reason to believe this hypothetical person is unworthy of basic human decency.
No. If I dont pay taxes cops eventually will show up and take my stuff or arrest me if I resist. It you advocate single payer healthcare you advocate using force to provide that healthcare.
I suggested methods that do not involved force and that was poo pooed in favor of one that does use force.
2 minutes ago, Daeglan said:When you try and use government to force people to do what you want it always implies violence if they dont comply. Which is what single payer results in. so yes you are. The fact you hide behind government does not change that fact.
You can always leave. Why should we be responsible for your decision not to leave if you don't like it.
5 minutes ago, penpenpen said:You can always leave. Why should we be responsible for your decision not to leave if you don't like it.
Right because my options should be leave or hold a gun to my head. Instead of using a system that only involves voluntary transactions. Because that is so compassionate.
3 minutes ago, Daeglan said:Right because my options should be leave or hold a gun to my head. Instead of using a system that only involves voluntary transactions. Because that is so compassionate.
sounds more compassionate than "pay up to survive on your own or die that's not my problem". At least if you refuse/don't have the means/will to comply, you're still alive
5 minutes ago, MB -Fr- said:sounds more compassionate than "pay up to survive on your own or die that's not my problem". At least if you refuse/don't have the means/will to comply, you're still alive
How is lets remove the things that make healthcare so stupidly expensive not compassionate? Instead of taking half of someones pay check to pay for everyones healthcare how bout we make healthcare actually affordable again?
1 minute ago, Daeglan said:How is lets remove the things that make healthcare so stupidly expensive not compassionate? Instead of taking half of someones pay check to pay for everyones healthcare how bout we make healthcare actually affordable again?
