7 hours ago, Ronu said:

TIE/sf Fighter - •Captain Phasma - 54

•Captain Phasma - Scyre Survivor (39)
Fanatical (2)
Angled Deflectors (3)
Special Forces Gunner (10)

Personally, I don't really love those Angled Deflectors. Phasma is hard-enough to kill already, and I'd rather just take an offensive dice mod instead. Passive Sensors would be nice, too. Spend the charge, then swing the arc forward or back. It isn't too to be pointing the right direction on the turret, but with Passive Sensors, there's kinda no chance to go wrong.

4 hours ago, Archangelspiv said:

I hated scorch in every game, but I managed to make him work.

I hate that Scorch, too.

4 hours ago, Archangelspiv said:

I am interested in people’s opinions that reacted to my opinion as why they think it’s wrong. Just curious is all, my opinion has been formed by my experience, which has told me that optics isn’t good on low initiatives.

Anyhow... Low Optics...

I think Zeta and Omega SFs (generic FOs not so much... they don't have the time-on-target, and are that much squishier) are both solid Optics ships, but there's probably a lot of list tetris involved. Like, it isn't worth giving up good stuff in a list to run Optics over nothing. A friend of mine used to run Kylo, QD, and two naked Zetas.

However, I think the best thing to do to a TIE/sf, if there is points, is to slap Optics on it. Nothing cheaper is nearly as good (Passive Zetas with no ordnance should just save 3 points and Focus... I don't think non-System Fanatical Omegas are better, since they won't spend a lot of time unshielded), and anything at least as good or better is significantly more expensive (missile builds, Gunner). I can see maybe Fanatical FCS, which is only +2 for the Zeta > Omega Init bump, but without both Fanatical and a System slot, I kinda would rather just keep them cheaper: either just optics or naked.

It's also possible that, optics or not, there's just a ceiling to how good overall a list of generic TIE/sf can do, however they're kitted out. I think they're a really easy ship, and can ensure you win at least a few games. Like, it's really hard to do terrible with them. They don't necessarily win the big burrito in the end, but they'll seldom completely fail. If someone's goal is to not-fail, Optics generics are wonderful tools.

Alternately, maybe raw ship count simply matters more. For example, Phasma (Fanatical, Gunner), 3 Zeta SFs (no upgrades) leaves 53 points to spare. Maybe that could be two Zeta FOs to match all the Init 2s, or two Epsilon FOs and Passive Sensors on Phasma. That's kind of how Avenger swarm does it: mix FOs and SFs and get more ships, rather than kit out the SFs with Optics. Hrm.

4 hours ago, Archangelspiv said:

The reason I hated on Scorch so much was that I wanted to use all my ships as bait. Which ever ship they went for I disengaged with and tried to commit with the other two. Without boost it required a different way to engage, which after 6 games did my head in.

The lack of boost is definitely a hindrance when trying to bait. Without extra jousting support you probably had to keep him back and wait for them to overcommit I assume? I personally don't like scorch because his time on target is abysmal, but I wouldn't bring him unless I had extra ships for the 'joust' anyways.

4 hours ago, Archangelspiv said:

I agree with your low generic idea too. I would like to go to a generic only tournament, could be a bit of fun for a LGS to run.

Oh, I don't mean vs other generics. I mean in regular play vs the field. Such as learning solo AB Vader's with Ahsoka.

It really expands your mind on what ships are capable of.

Also most people run higher ps and just joust anyways.

47 minutes ago, Smikies02 said:

The lack of boost is definitely a hindrance when trying to bait. Without extra jousting support you probably had to keep him back and wait for them to overcommit I assume? I personally don't like scorch because his time on target is abysmal, but I wouldn't bring him unless I had extra ships for the 'joust' anyways.

Oh, I don't mean vs other generics. I mean in regular play vs the field. Such as learning solo AB Vader's with Ahsoka.

It really expands your mind on what ships are capable of.

Also most people run higher ps and just joust anyways.

I tried to do that with Scorch, but what happened second day summed up my Scorch experience. My opponents Obi Wan shot at him from range 3. I blanked out to a hit and crit. Crit was a direct, went to 1 HP before even doing much at all.

I was very inexperienced with FO at that SoS, I would have played around a bit more with a generic SF or something for the 40 or so points he was.

16 hours ago, Smikies02 said:

I'm also a strong proponent that people should learn to fly lower initiative ships. Keep wide arcs for better chance of shots. Block. Predict your opponent.

11 hours ago, Smikies02 said:

The lack of boost is definitely a hindrance when trying to bait. Without extra jousting support you probably had to keep him back and wait for them to overcommit I assume? I personally don't like scorch because his time on target is abysmal, but I wouldn't bring him unless I had extra ships for the 'joust' anyways.

Oh, I don't mean vs other generics. I mean in regular play vs the field. Such as learning solo AB Vader's with Ahsoka.

It really expands your mind on what ships are capable of.

Absolutely agree with this! I have always liked to have at least half a list of generics as too few ships really makes me feel vulnerable. I also think that the init bid is crap. Once you learn to fly generics it really can become easy to knock out ace players. Blocking is an underappreciated tool. If I have a game with 3 or fewer blocks, I am doing it wrong or failing horribly.

On 3/2/2020 at 4:04 PM, Archangelspiv said:

Cheers mate, it’s going to be either Blackout, Vonreg and Rush. Or Vonreg, Blackout and Lehuese. I much prefer Blackout too, you’re right in Kylos ability, I never used it and you pay a premium for 2 force. It came in handy a few times, but not worth the cost in the long run.

Like the leheuse one, flew one like that with holo instead of vonreg, loved it